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10:58:51 <LarsG> zakim, please start meeting
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10:58:53 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), LarsG
10:59:21 <LarsG> zakim, this is DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon
10:59:21 <Zakim> got it, LarsG
10:59:53 <LarsG> Chain: Roba
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11:00:37 <roba> present +
11:00:44 <YoucTagh> present +
11:00:50 <LarsG> present+
11:00:57 <LarsG> regrets+ aisaac
11:01:05 <LarsG> regrets+ pchampin
11:01:12 <LarsG> scribeNick: LarsG
11:01:47 <LarsG> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2023.08.09
11:02:15 <LarsG> Topic: Last meeting's minutes
11:02:28 <roba> https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-dxwg-minutes
11:02:42 <LarsG> PROPOSED: Confirm last minutes
11:02:55 <roba> +1
11:02:56 <YoucTagh> +1
11:02:59 <LarsG> +1
11:03:16 <LarsG> RESOLVED: Accept minutes of last meeting
11:03:27 <LarsG> TOPIC: Actions list
11:04:21 <YoucTagh> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/pull/42
11:07:04 <LarsG> PR is still in limbo, although the requested changes have been made...
11:08:34 <LarsG> roba: Have fixed the changes Antoine requested.
11:08:55 <LarsG> ... We can dismiss the review because of the subsequent changes
11:09:28 <LarsG> ... will merge the PR
11:09:42 <LarsG> ... everyone fine with that?
11:09:44 <LarsG> +1
11:09:50 <LarsG> YoucTagh, +1
11:11:02 <LarsG> TOPIC: Close "due for closing issues"
11:12:04 <LarsG> PROPOSED: close all issues flagged as "due for closing"
11:12:10 <LarsG> +1
11:12:20 <YoucTagh> +1
11:12:38 <LarsG> roba: it was confirmed in the plenary that we can close those
11:12:51 <roba> +1
11:13:04 <LarsG> RESOLVED: close all issues flagged as "due for closing"
11:13:28 <LarsG> roba: closing issues
11:14:12 <LarsG> TOPIC: Open Actions
11:14:39 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/44
11:14:43 <LarsG> roba: Link relation https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/44
11:15:18 <LarsG> ... We decided in last meeting to find a new link relation instead of "canonical"
11:15:30 <LarsG> YoucTagh: can we have two canonical links?
11:15:47 <LarsG> ... That is not in line with the RFC
11:16:10 <LarsG> ... How can we state that we prefer one profile over another?
11:16:38 <LarsG> ... We can talk about other dimensions than profile and media type
11:16:50 <LarsG> ... (e. g. language). We need a way to show preferences
11:17:00 <LarsG> ... for all dimensions
11:17:28 <LarsG> ... Representations can me multi-dimensional
11:17:33 <LarsG> ... Solution proposal
11:17:53 <LarsG> ... There is a global preference (default/fallback)
11:18:26 <LarsG> ... proposes three types of relations;
11:18:38 <LarsG> ... g-def-neg global default representation
11:18:51 <LarsG> ... d-def-neg dimension specific representation
11:19:04 <LarsG> ... a-def-neg alternate representation
11:21:00 <LarsG> ... In <link> we can use those relation types to show whic is the preferred representation for each dimension
11:24:53 <LarsG> roba: all other link relations are simple word (according to the registry)
11:25:12 <LarsG> ... not sure that g-def-neg is different from "canonical"
11:25:26 <LarsG> ... and a-def-neg is same as "alterate"
11:25:46 <LarsG> ... so only d-def-neg is new
11:26:11 <LarsG> YoucTagh: The semantics aren't the same
11:26:45 <LarsG> roba: does "a-def-neg" really differ from "alternate"?
11:27:59 <LarsG> ... we shouldn't create new terms
11:28:26 <LarsG> ... the naming of d-def-neg should rather be "preferred"
11:28:32 <roba> https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml
11:28:47 <LarsG> ... in order to keep in line with naming in link registry
11:29:10 <LarsG> ... where all terms are just short english words
11:29:41 <LarsG> ... would prefer "preferred" instead (under identifiable circumstances)
11:30:07 <LarsG> ... Question really is if "canonica" is really single-valued
11:34:01 <roba> <http://example.org/resource/a>;           rel="preferred";            format="urn:example:profile:y",
11:35:03 <LarsG> YoucTagh: This doesn't specify for which dimension this is preferred
11:36:11 <LarsG> roba: YoucTagh should put his example in the issue
11:36:30 <LarsG> ... so that Nick can pick that up and make an implementation
11:36:52 <LarsG> ... to get implmentation evidence
11:38:20 <LarsG> ACTION: YoucTagh to add proposal to the issue
11:39:04 <LarsG> LarsG. Discuss #10 https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/10
11:41:09 <LarsG> roba: a non-issue
11:41:51 <LarsG> LarsG: proposes to say something on "related documents" inluding the I-D
11:42:07 <LarsG> roba: and remove PROF-Guidance
11:42:37 <LarsG> ACTION: LarsG to re-phrase "family of doczments"
11:43:45 <LarsG> LarsG: https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/12
11:44:02 <LarsG> roba: related to #26
11:44:26 <LarsG> ... general issue is that's there is no value in defining
11:44:58 <LarsG> ... statements about rdfs:Resource
11:45:07 <LarsG> ... and we should remove them
11:45:45 <LarsG> ACTION: roba to prepare a PR to fix #23, #26 and #27
11:46:46 <LarsG> roba: #32 https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/32
11:47:07 <YoucTagh> https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#fig-table-profiles
11:48:25 <LarsG> ... think it's fine as it is. We should just close
11:48:44 <LarsG> LarsG: Do we define prefixes somewhre else?
11:48:48 <YoucTagh> https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#altr-owl
11:48:51 <LarsG> YoucTagh: yes
11:50:47 <LarsG> LarsG: Fine with the way it is
11:51:10 <LarsG> roba: some profiles are not defined but used in the text
11:51:38 <LarsG> ... we should do an editorial cleanup
11:51:51 <LarsG> ... will assign that to Nick
11:52:55 <LarsG> ACTION: roba to discuss #32 with Nick and prepare PR
11:54:13 <roba> https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/7
11:55:16 <LarsG> roba: Is the wording of §7.1 clear?
11:55:38 <LarsG> ... we need to review https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#functional-profiles-definition
11:56:36 <LarsG> ACTION: YoucTagh to review §7.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#functional-profiles-definition
11:58:07 <LarsG> roba: other issues to discuss?
11:58:31 <LarsG> YoucTagh: when we resolve the issue with canonical
11:58:54 <LarsG> ... that will influence the turtle examples
11:59:50 <LarsG> bye all
11:59:59 <LarsG> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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12:00:23 <LarsG> zakim, please end meeting
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12:00:24 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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12:01:46 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-actions.rdf :
12:01:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: YoucTagh to add proposal to the issue [1]
12:01:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-38-20
12:01:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: LarsG to re-phrase "family of doczments" [2]
12:01:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-42-37
12:01:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: roba to prepare a PR to fix #23, #26 and #27 [3]
12:01:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-45-45
12:01:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: roba to discuss #32 with Nick and prepare PR [4]
12:01:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-52-55
12:01:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: YoucTagh to review §7.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#functional-profiles-definition [5]
12:01:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-56-36