IRC log of dxwg on 2023-08-09

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10:58:51 [LarsG]

zakim, please start meeting

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), LarsG

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zakim, this is DXWG CNEG Subgroup telecon

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got it, LarsG

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Chain: Roba

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s/Chain/Chair/

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present +

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present +

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present+

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regrets+ aisaac

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regrets+ pchampin

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scribeNick: LarsG

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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2023.08.09

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Topic: Last meeting's minutes

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https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-dxwg-minutes

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PROPOSED: Confirm last minutes

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+1

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+1

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+1

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RESOLVED: Accept minutes of last meeting

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TOPIC: Actions list

11:04:21 [YoucTagh]

https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/pull/42

11:07:04 [LarsG]

PR is still in limbo, although the requested changes have been made...

11:08:34 [LarsG]

roba: Have fixed the changes Antoine requested.

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... We can dismiss the review because of the subsequent changes

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... will merge the PR

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... everyone fine with that?

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+1

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YoucTagh, +1

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TOPIC: Close "due for closing issues"

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PROPOSED: close all issues flagged as "due for closing"

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+1

11:12:20 [YoucTagh]

+1

11:12:38 [LarsG]

roba: it was confirmed in the plenary that we can close those

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+1

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RESOLVED: close all issues flagged as "due for closing"

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roba: closing issues

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TOPIC: Open Actions

11:14:39 [roba]

https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/44

11:14:43 [LarsG]

roba: Link relation https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/44

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... We decided in last meeting to find a new link relation instead of "canonical"

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YoucTagh: can we have two canonical links?

11:15:47 [LarsG]

... That is not in line with the RFC

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... How can we state that we prefer one profile over another?

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... We can talk about other dimensions than profile and media type

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... (e. g. language). We need a way to show preferences

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... for all dimensions

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... Representations can me multi-dimensional

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... Solution proposal

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... There is a global preference (default/fallback)

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... proposes three types of relations;

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... g-def-neg global default representation

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... d-def-neg dimension specific representation

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... a-def-neg alternate representation

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... In <link> we can use those relation types to show whic is the preferred representation for each dimension

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roba: all other link relations are simple word (according to the registry)

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... not sure that g-def-neg is different from "canonical"

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... and a-def-neg is same as "alterate"

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... so only d-def-neg is new

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YoucTagh: The semantics aren't the same

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roba: does "a-def-neg" really differ from "alternate"?

11:27:59 [LarsG]

... we shouldn't create new terms

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... the naming of d-def-neg should rather be "preferred"

11:28:32 [roba]

https://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml

11:28:47 [LarsG]

... in order to keep in line with naming in link registry

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... where all terms are just short english words

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... would prefer "preferred" instead (under identifiable circumstances)

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... Question really is if "canonica" is really single-valued

11:34:01 [roba]

<http://example.org/resource/a>; rel="preferred"; format="urn:example:profile:y",

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YoucTagh: This doesn't specify for which dimension this is preferred

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roba: YoucTagh should put his example in the issue

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... so that Nick can pick that up and make an implementation

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... to get implmentation evidence

11:38:20 [LarsG]

ACTION: YoucTagh to add proposal to the issue

11:39:04 [LarsG]

LarsG. Discuss #10 https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/10

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roba: a non-issue

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LarsG: proposes to say something on "related documents" inluding the I-D

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roba: and remove PROF-Guidance

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ACTION: LarsG to re-phrase "family of doczments"

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LarsG: https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/12

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roba: related to #26

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... general issue is that's there is no value in defining

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... statements about rdfs:Resource

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... and we should remove them

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ACTION: roba to prepare a PR to fix #23, #26 and #27

11:46:46 [LarsG]

roba: #32 https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/32

11:47:07 [YoucTagh]

https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#fig-table-profiles

11:48:25 [LarsG]

... think it's fine as it is. We should just close

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LarsG: Do we define prefixes somewhre else?

11:48:48 [YoucTagh]

https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#altr-owl

11:48:51 [LarsG]

YoucTagh: yes

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LarsG: Fine with the way it is

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roba: some profiles are not defined but used in the text

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... we should do an editorial cleanup

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... will assign that to Nick

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ACTION: roba to discuss #32 with Nick and prepare PR

11:54:13 [roba]

https://github.com/w3c/dx-connegp/issues/7

11:55:16 [LarsG]

roba: Is the wording of §7.1 clear?

11:55:38 [LarsG]

... we need to review https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#functional-profiles-definition

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ACTION: YoucTagh to review §7.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#functional-profiles-definition

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roba: other issues to discuss?

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YoucTagh: when we resolve the issue with canonical

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... that will influence the turtle examples

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bye all

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I see 5 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: YoucTagh to add proposal to the issue [1]

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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-38-20

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ACTION: LarsG to re-phrase "family of doczments" [2]

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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-42-37

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ACTION: roba to prepare a PR to fix #23, #26 and #27 [3]

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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-45-45

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ACTION: roba to discuss #32 with Nick and prepare PR [4]

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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-52-55

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ACTION: YoucTagh to review §7.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/2019/WD-dx-prof-conneg-20191126/#functional-profiles-definition [5]

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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2023/08/09-dxwg-irc#T11-56-36