W3C

– DRAFT –
Harm from motion subgroup

07 August 2023

Attendees

Present
AndySomers, Eric_hind, jeanne, jedi, murray_moss, present, Rain, sheribyrne
Regrets
Makoto
Chair
Rain
Scribe
Eric_hind

Meeting minutes

<Rain> Draft desired outcomes based on the functional needs and user stories exercises

+present

<Rain> meeting agenda document is at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jCOE4cO68V-QUiZEhJNkrQydNmW71ljaCGGu2Zmnlok/edit#heading=h.vs0pihxwmy30

Set up scribe

Review the functional needs, user stories, and document reviews that were done during the pre-work

<Rain> my apologies, I'll be right back

<Rain> I hit the wrong button

<Rain> first order was to take a look at the functional needs section of the scratch document,

<Rain> so if you want to head there, I'll be back in a moment!

Rain: Will add/create functional needs in the scratchpad

Rain: per conversation with Sheri, add outcome of Safety from looping animation

Rain: Additionally, add outcome related to pseduo-motion/flashing safety

<AndySomers> physical or psychophysical

Rain: Functional Need added: User safety even with neurological sensitivity to motion

Rain: Functional Need added: Added Jedi

Rain: Functional Need added, Jedi FAST comments.

Rain: Sheri asked to add motion sickness directly as a specific point; will expand the list at this time.

<jeanne2> +1 to Rain's safety addition

Rain: Functional Need added, Be able to complete a critical flow without unintentional redirection (e.g. site redirection before submit of a task)

+1 as well

<AndySomers> dark patterns

<jedi> +1 to sheribyrne on removing higher level categorization for now

Sheri: Request to avoid high level categorization (for now) to allow better differentiation

Andrew: add Functional Needs related to harm as related their ability to do things effectively (compared to harm as an singular negative event)

Rain: As related to Andrew's comment; added visual fatigue

<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to say that we should not be constrained by FAST

<AndySomers> Do we develop this as a harm category (general) as opposed to harm from motion

<AndySomers> +1 able to takebreak

Rain: Functional need, complete a critical flow without experiencing visual fatigue

<AndySomers> some people need motion

Sheri: Add motion personalization, be confident that motion personalization will be respected

Rain: Functional Need add: Some people will rely on motion

<AndySomers> haptics?

Rain: Q to Jeanne, this is limited to visual landscape?

Jeanne: Initially, that was mandate but there isn't a mandate and this should be moved as a new guideline

Rain: Haptics, such as pain from device vibration

Rain: Audio: such as disorientating spatial effects (doppler, left to right channel, sound like it's behind creating triggers, localizing sound)

Murray: Binaural audio could also be added under Audio

<jedi> +1 to Murray on Binaural audio, plus "dichotic listening"

Andy: Q to add General Harm category? (per parallels with other groups)

Rain: For now, we may need to stick to our more specific scope (more granular)

<jedi> +1 to AndySomers on involuntary movement reaction

<Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to talk about common vs unique user needs

Jeanne: Later in process, we want to identify common issues, and those that oppose or are inconsistent

<AndySomers> personalization is the holy grail of accessibility

<jeanne2> +1 as important to track topics that need personalization

<murray_moss> +1

<jedi> +1

+1

Sheri: Per 2.4.3, we should add auditory organizational memory (if including sound)

<Rain> ack?

<AndySomers> Auditory: I hear language in a musical way, it interferes with language

Rain: Under 2.4.3; internal cognitive mapping can be interfered with by motion; how can this be broken down into functional needs.

<AndySomers> motion does not change relative orientation and placement of objects

<AndySomers> or, motion does not change arrangements of itmems

Rain: Jedi recommendation, graphical memory

Rain: Add per Andy, Use without motion changing the arrangement or focus order

Rain: Example added to 2.4.4.1 Limited short term memory: use without having to remember something that goes away as a result of motin

Andy: Add under 2.4.7 Cogntivie and sensory intersection; use with the ability to only see something when it is still

Rain: All should review and feel comfortable to review the functional needs list; add any functional need that you might think would be missing.

+1

<jedi> +1

<murray_moss> +1

<AndySomers> +1

Rain: Will update text to plain language

<Rain> zakim: make minutes

<Rain> * thanks jeanne2

Draft desired outcomes based on the functional needs and user stories exercises

<Rain> We will be working on item 3 next week

<Rain> * aw, thank you jeanne2 !

Minutes manually created (not a transcript), formatted by scribe.perl version 221 (Fri Jul 21 14:01:30 2023 UTC).

Diagnostics

Maybe present: Andrew, Andy, Murray, Sheri

All speakers: Andrew, Andy, Jeanne, Murray, Rain, Sheri

Active on IRC: AndySomers, Eric_hind, Eric_hind_, jeanne, jeanne2, jedi, murray_moss, Rain, sheribyrne