IRC log of aria-editors on 2023-08-07

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pkra
16:05:49 [pkra]
pkra: agenda items
16:05:56 [pkra]
... * update on spec markup for advice for AT (jnurthen)
16:06:00 [pkra]
... review updates to Valerie's PR for replacing the mapping tables in the AAMs (core-aam#180)
16:06:11 [pkra]
... prettier experiment https://github.com/w3c/graphics-aria/pull/10
16:06:15 [pkra]
... quo vadis contributors.md
16:06:21 [pkra]
... organizing ARIA 1.4 prioritization
16:07:57 [pkra]
regrets: scotto
16:08:00 [pkra]
... daniel
16:08:19 [pkra]
... item 1, spec markup
16:08:33 [pkra]
jamesn: have started on it.
16:08:43 [pkra]
... skeptical on how useful it will be.
16:08:54 [pkra]
... not enough AT requirements to make it useful
16:09:05 [pkra]
... if we markup author and UA, it will be too much
16:09:26 [pkra]
... why one but not the others? Can't we just search for them?
16:09:40 [pkra]
... maybe instead, just pick a searchable string to find them?
16:10:02 [pkra]
spectranaut: I like that idea.
16:10:06 [pkra]
pkra: +1
16:10:27 [pkra]
jamesn: we can put that at the start of each paragraph where we want it.
16:10:38 [pkra]
spectranaut: sentences can be nested.
16:10:53 [pkra]
... what if more than one?
16:11:04 [pkra]
jamesn: have both.
16:11:12 [pkra]
... do it as a class and spec generation could add it afterwards.
16:11:18 [pkra]
... consistency will be key
16:11:45 [pkra]
spectranaut: sounds like script should be you, then adding the class can be done by others
16:12:21 [pkra]
jamesn: either use a class or data attribute and then generate a string. could be something else later, e.g., image.
16:12:30 [pkra]
... you could still search the source
16:12:46 [pkra]
pkra: +1 data attributes but whatever works
16:12:55 [pkra]
item 2, Val's PR
16:13:10 [pkra]
spectranaut: feel like scotto and pkra approved it.
16:13:18 [pkra]
... haven't finished it yet though.
16:13:26 [spectranaut_]
https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/core-aam/pull/180.html
16:13:59 [spectranaut_]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/core-aam/remove-tables/index.html#mapping_role
16:14:41 [pkra]
jamesn: looks ok. if implementors are happy, let's do it.
16:14:46 [pkra]
spectranaut: last point was table caption.
16:15:10 [pkra]
... repeats what's in the heading but with links to aria
16:16:44 [pkra]
jamesn: could help AT users to have option to navigate by headings or tables
16:17:12 [pkra]
pkra: alternatively, we discussed putting a line in tables with links to aria concepts.
16:17:17 [pkra]
jamesn: or put links in the headings?
16:17:23 [pkra]
... maybe respec doesn't like that.
16:17:30 [pkra]
spectranaut: maybe I'll ping Jamie Teh.
16:17:35 [pkra]
jamesn: great idea.
16:18:17 [pkra]
item 3, prettier experiment
16:20:10 [pkra]
jamesn: why long lines?
16:20:17 [pkra]
pkra: because you asked for it? ;-)
16:20:22 [pkra]
... to avoid weird prettier formatting around tags
16:20:43 [pkra]
jamesn: and still people can edit the doc any way they want and CI will reformat?
16:20:46 [pkra]
pkra: yes.
16:22:09 [pkra]
spectranaut: will there be conflicts for PRs?
16:22:10 [pkra]
pkra: yes.
16:22:18 [pkra]
jamesn: there will never be a good time.
16:22:22 [pkra]
... we should do it before 1.3 FPWD
16:22:38 [pkra]
... will take a look
16:22:48 [pkra]
pkra: item 4, contributors.md
16:25:20 [jamesn]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/graphs/contributors
16:25:26 [pkra]
... Daniel is out this week but promised to take a look
16:25:53 [pkra]
jamesn: we should compare what it generates, then decide.
16:26:46 [pkra]
... for example, compared to git contributor graph
16:27:12 [pkra]
pkra: item 5, 1.4 prioritization
16:27:24 [spectranaut_]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1884
16:28:05 [pkra]
pkra: had triggered me in terms of the state of our projects
16:29:06 [pkra]
... wasn't sure if projects works for us.
16:29:13 [pkra]
spectranaut: long time ago I made a board with all issues.
16:29:23 [pkra]
pkra: https://github.com/w3c/aria/projects?type=classic
16:29:45 [jamesn]
fyi this is the list of contributors
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Aaron Leventhal
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Adam Page
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Alexander Surkov
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Amelia Bellamy-Royds
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Andrea N. Cardona
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Anne van Kesteren
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Anne-Gaelle Colom
16:29:51 [jamesn]
Ariella Gilmore
16:29:52 [jamesn]
Boaz
16:29:52 [jamesn]
Bogdan Brinza
16:29:52 [jamesn]
bpmcneilly
16:29:52 [jamesn]
Brennan Young
16:29:52 [jamesn]
Carolyn MacLeod
16:29:52 [jamesn]
Craig Morten
16:29:52 [jamesn]
Cynthia Shelly
16:29:52 [jamesn]
D.A. Kahn
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Dan Bjorge
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Domenic Denicola
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Epigenetic
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Estelle Weyl
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Games for Girls
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Harris Schneiderman
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Innovimax
16:29:53 [jamesn]
Isaac Durazo
16:29:54 [jamesn]
Ivan Herman
16:29:54 [jamesn]
JaEun Jemma Ku
16:29:54 [jamesn]
James Craig
16:29:54 [jamesn]
Jason Kiss
16:29:54 [jamesn]
JAWS-test
16:29:54 [jamesn]
JAWS-test2
16:29:54 [jamesn]
joanmarie
16:29:54 [jamesn]
Jon Gunderson
16:29:54 [jamesn]
Jory Cunningham
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Joseph Scheuhammer
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Josh Salazar
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Kagami Sascha Rosylight
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Manuel Rego Casasnovas
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Marcos Cáceres
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Marek Lewandowski
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Matt Garrish
16:29:55 [jamesn]
Matt King
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Melanie Richards
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Melanie Sumner
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Nick Schonning
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Nicolás Alvarez
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Philippe Le Hegaret
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Prayag Verma
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Richard Schwerdtfeger
16:29:56 [jamesn]
Rick Brown
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Sarah Higley
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Sayan Sivakumaran
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Scott O'Hara
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Sebastian Silbermann
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Shane McCarron
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Shota FUJI
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Simon Pieters
16:29:57 [jamesn]
Stephane Deschamps
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Steve Faulkner
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Thibaud Colas
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Tyler Wilcock
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Tzviya
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Valerie Young
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Vyacheslav Aristov
16:29:58 [jamesn]
Wilco Fiers
16:29:58 [jamesn]
WilliamTennisNFCU
16:30:00 [jamesn]
based on respec
16:30:13 [pkra]
pkra: e.g., https://github.com/w3c/aria/projects/18
16:31:05 [pkra]
jamesn: sorry for the buffer dump. this is what respec gives me from git.
16:32:10 [pkra]
jamesn: we could have this one as contributors and then also members at time of publication
16:32:15 [pkra]
spectranaut: +1
16:32:39 [pkra]
pkra: jamesn are you volunteering?
16:32:42 [pkra]
jamesn: yes.
16:33:37 [pkra]
pkra: back to 1.4 prio?
16:34:20 [pkra]
spectranaut: project 18 was trying to help people prioritze.
16:34:52 [pkra]
... should we move them to 1.4? Will create big bucket.
16:34:57 [pkra]
pkra: doesn't seem to help people?
16:35:09 [pkra]
spectranaut: maybe we should push more.
16:35:22 [pkra]
jamesn: I'd say step 1: punt features to 1.4
16:35:38 [pkra]
... clarification can be revisited when 1.3 in FWPD
16:36:36 [pkra]
... maybe agenda item for this week
16:38:30 [pkra]
pkra: I went through non-milestoned issues and PRs a while back and assigned them so sorting by milestone should help.
16:39:16 [pkra]
... so what about 1.4?
16:39:21 [pkra]
jamesn: talk about it at TPAC
16:41:15 [pkra]
zakim, end meeting
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