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16:05:20 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pkra
16:05:49 <pkra> pkra: agenda items
16:05:56 <pkra> ...  * update on spec markup for advice for AT (jnurthen)
16:06:00 <pkra> ...  review updates to Valerie's PR for replacing the mapping tables in the AAMs (core-aam#180)
16:06:11 <pkra> ... prettier experiment https://github.com/w3c/graphics-aria/pull/10
16:06:15 <pkra> ... quo vadis contributors.md
16:06:21 <pkra> ... organizing ARIA 1.4 prioritization
16:07:57 <pkra> regrets: scotto
16:08:00 <pkra> ... daniel
16:08:19 <pkra> ... item 1, spec markup
16:08:33 <pkra> jamesn: have started on it.
16:08:43 <pkra> ... skeptical on how useful it will be.
16:08:54 <pkra> ... not enough AT requirements to make it useful
16:09:05 <pkra> ... if we markup author and UA, it will be too much
16:09:26 <pkra> ... why one but not the others? Can't we just search for them?
16:09:40 <pkra> ... maybe instead, just pick a searchable string to find them?
16:10:02 <pkra> spectranaut: I like that idea.
16:10:06 <pkra> pkra: +1
16:10:27 <pkra> jamesn: we can put that at the start of each paragraph where we want it.
16:10:38 <pkra> spectranaut: sentences can be nested.
16:10:53 <pkra> ... what if more than one?
16:11:04 <pkra> jamesn: have both.
16:11:12 <pkra> ... do it as a class and spec generation could add it afterwards.
16:11:18 <pkra> ... consistency will be key
16:11:45 <pkra> spectranaut: sounds like script should be you, then adding the class can be done by others
16:12:21 <pkra> jamesn: either use a class or data attribute and then generate  a string. could be something else later, e.g., image.
16:12:30 <pkra> ... you could still search the source
16:12:46 <pkra> pkra: +1 data attributes but whatever works
16:12:55 <pkra> item 2, Val's PR
16:13:10 <pkra> spectranaut: feel like scotto and pkra approved it.
16:13:18 <pkra> ... haven't finished it yet though.
16:13:26 <spectranaut_> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/core-aam/pull/180.html
16:13:59 <spectranaut_> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/core-aam/remove-tables/index.html#mapping_role
16:14:41 <pkra> jamesn: looks ok. if implementors are happy, let's do it.
16:14:46 <pkra> spectranaut: last point was table caption.
16:15:10 <pkra> ... repeats what's in the heading but with links to aria
16:16:44 <pkra> jamesn: could help AT users to have option to navigate by headings or tables
16:17:12 <pkra> pkra: alternatively, we discussed putting a line in tables with links to aria concepts.
16:17:17 <pkra> jamesn: or put links in the headings?
16:17:23 <pkra> ... maybe respec doesn't like that.
16:17:30 <pkra> spectranaut: maybe I'll ping Jamie Teh.
16:17:35 <pkra> jamesn: great idea.
16:18:17 <pkra> item 3, prettier experiment
16:20:10 <pkra> jamesn: why long lines?
16:20:17 <pkra> pkra: because you asked for it? ;-)
16:20:22 <pkra> ... to avoid weird prettier formatting around tags
16:20:43 <pkra> jamesn: and still people can edit the doc any way they want and CI will reformat?
16:20:46 <pkra> pkra: yes.
16:22:09 <pkra> spectranaut: will there be conflicts for PRs?
16:22:10 <pkra> pkra: yes.
16:22:18 <pkra> jamesn: there will never be a good time.
16:22:22 <pkra> ... we should do it before 1.3 FPWD
16:22:38 <pkra> ... will take a look
16:22:48 <pkra> pkra: item 4, contributors.md
16:25:20 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/graphs/contributors
16:25:26 <pkra> ... Daniel is out this week but promised to take a look
16:25:53 <pkra> jamesn: we should compare what it generates, then decide.
16:26:46 <pkra> ... for example, compared to git contributor graph
16:27:12 <pkra> pkra: item 5, 1.4 prioritization
16:27:24 <spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1884
16:28:05 <pkra> pkra: had triggered me in terms of the state of our projects
16:29:06 <pkra> ... wasn't sure if projects works for us.
16:29:13 <pkra> spectranaut:  long time ago I made a board with all issues.
16:29:23 <pkra> pkra: https://github.com/w3c/aria/projects?type=classic
16:29:45 <jamesn> fyi this is the list of contributors
16:29:51 <jamesn> Aaron Leventhal
16:29:51 <jamesn> Adam Page
16:29:51 <jamesn> Alexander Surkov
16:29:51 <jamesn> Amelia Bellamy-Royds
16:29:51 <jamesn> Andrea N. Cardona
16:29:51 <jamesn> Anne van Kesteren
16:29:51 <jamesn> Anne-Gaelle Colom
16:29:51 <jamesn> Ariella Gilmore
16:29:52 <jamesn> Boaz
16:29:52 <jamesn> Bogdan Brinza
16:29:52 <jamesn> bpmcneilly
16:29:52 <jamesn> Brennan Young
16:29:52 <jamesn> Carolyn MacLeod
16:29:52 <jamesn> Craig Morten
16:29:52 <jamesn> Cynthia Shelly
16:29:52 <jamesn> D.A. Kahn
16:29:53 <jamesn> Dan Bjorge
16:29:53 <jamesn> Domenic Denicola
16:29:53 <jamesn> Epigenetic
16:29:53 <jamesn> Estelle Weyl
16:29:53 <jamesn> Games for Girls
16:29:53 <jamesn> Harris Schneiderman
16:29:53 <jamesn> Innovimax
16:29:53 <jamesn> Isaac Durazo
16:29:54 <jamesn> Ivan Herman
16:29:54 <jamesn> JaEun Jemma Ku
16:29:54 <jamesn> James Craig
16:29:54 <jamesn> Jason Kiss
16:29:54 <jamesn> JAWS-test
16:29:54 <jamesn> JAWS-test2
16:29:54 <jamesn> joanmarie
16:29:54 <jamesn> Jon Gunderson
16:29:54 <jamesn> Jory Cunningham
16:29:55 <jamesn> Joseph Scheuhammer
16:29:55 <jamesn> Josh Salazar
16:29:55 <jamesn> Kagami Sascha Rosylight
16:29:55 <jamesn> Manuel Rego Casasnovas
16:29:55 <jamesn> Marcos Cáceres
16:29:55 <jamesn> Marek Lewandowski
16:29:55 <jamesn> Matt Garrish
16:29:55 <jamesn> Matt King
16:29:56 <jamesn> Melanie Richards
16:29:56 <jamesn> Melanie Sumner
16:29:56 <jamesn> Nick Schonning
16:29:56 <jamesn> Nicolás Alvarez
16:29:56 <jamesn> Philippe Le Hegaret
16:29:56 <jamesn> Prayag Verma
16:29:56 <jamesn> Richard Schwerdtfeger
16:29:56 <jamesn> Rick Brown
16:29:57 <jamesn> Sarah Higley
16:29:57 <jamesn> Sayan Sivakumaran
16:29:57 <jamesn> Scott O'Hara
16:29:57 <jamesn> Sebastian Silbermann
16:29:57 <jamesn> Shane McCarron
16:29:57 <jamesn> Shota FUJI
16:29:57 <jamesn> Simon Pieters
16:29:57 <jamesn> Stephane Deschamps
16:29:58 <jamesn> Steve Faulkner
16:29:58 <jamesn> Thibaud Colas
16:29:58 <jamesn> Tyler Wilcock
16:29:58 <jamesn> Tzviya
16:29:58 <jamesn> Valerie Young
16:29:58 <jamesn> Vyacheslav Aristov
16:29:58 <jamesn> Wilco Fiers
16:29:58 <jamesn> WilliamTennisNFCU
16:30:00 <jamesn> based on respec
16:30:13 <pkra> pkra: e.g., https://github.com/w3c/aria/projects/18
16:31:05 <pkra> jamesn: sorry for the buffer dump. this is what respec gives me from git.
16:32:10 <pkra> jamesn: we could have this one as contributors and then also members at time of publication
16:32:15 <pkra> spectranaut: +1
16:32:39 <pkra> pkra:  jamesn are you volunteering?
16:32:42 <pkra> jamesn: yes.
16:33:37 <pkra> pkra: back to 1.4 prio?
16:34:20 <pkra> spectranaut: project 18 was trying to help people prioritze.
16:34:52 <pkra> ... should we move them to 1.4? Will create big bucket.
16:34:57 <pkra> pkra: doesn't seem to help people?
16:35:09 <pkra> spectranaut: maybe we should push more.
16:35:22 <pkra> jamesn: I'd say step 1: punt features to 1.4
16:35:38 <pkra> ... clarification can be revisited when 1.3 in FWPD
16:36:36 <pkra> ... maybe agenda item for this week
16:38:30 <pkra> pkra: I went through non-milestoned issues and PRs a while back and assigned them so sorting by milestone should help.
16:39:16 <pkra> ... so what about 1.4?
16:39:21 <pkra> jamesn: talk about it at TPAC
16:41:15 <pkra> zakim, end meeting
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