12:00:17 RRSAgent has joined #wot 12:00:22 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-irc 12:00:23 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 12:00:34 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool 12:01:22 agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#2_August_2023 12:02:47 Ege has joined #wot 12:03:08 present+ Ege_Korkan, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Mahda_Noura 12:03:10 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:03:43 dape has joined #wot 12:04:14 present+ Daniel_Peintner 12:05:56 scribenick: Ege 12:06:23 topic: Minutes 12:06:31 mm: we will review the minutes as usual 12:06:55 matsuda has joined #wot 12:07:02 (unfortunately, we didn't make the proposed policy for minutes a resolution, though) 12:07:07 -> https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-wot-minutes.html July-26 12:09:06 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda 12:09:10 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:09:13 present+ Kunihiko_Toumura 12:09:32 rrsagent, make log public 12:09:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:09:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:09:50 mm: any changes you see? 12:09:57 mm: any objections? 12:10:28 (typo fixed) 12:10:49 topic: Policies 12:10:54 mm: minutes approved 12:11:04 s/topic: Policies// 12:11:05 topic: Policies 12:11:27 mm: current PRs go into proposals directory 12:11:40 mm: we would like to make them official 12:11:42 i|curr|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/proposals/policies/ Proposed Policies| 12:11:50 ... would be good to do that before tpac 12:11:52 q+ 12:11:53 q+ 12:12:34 ack k 12:12:43 kaz: we should add draft on the title 12:12:56 ... also it would be good to consolidate them into a single document 12:13:02 mm: I would prefer to keep them separate 12:13:09 ... but I am ok to add draft to titles 12:13:27 s/document/document to make the proposals inline with each other./ 12:14:06 brb 12:14:20 s/we should add/OK with merging the initial proposals as a starting point for further discussion, but we should add/ 12:14:25 s/brb// 12:14:36 scribenick: kaz 12:14:53 mm: (adds "DRAFT" to the title of each proposed policy document) 12:15:09 q+ 12:15:55 ... btw, what was the "IE included", which was discussed last week, about? 12:17:58 ... related to the async policy? 12:18:07 s/async/async decision/ 12:18:10 ek: yes I think so 12:18:11 ek: yeah 12:18:15 s/ek: yeah// 12:18:22 i/yes/scribenick: Ege/ 12:18:28 ek: We dont need to add draft if it is a proposal right? 12:18:32 mm: sort of but we can do it later 12:18:32 q+ 12:18:43 present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch 12:18:45 ack e 12:19:51 subtopic: Async Decision Policy 12:19:57 mm: we should mention IEs 12:20:00 sk: it is already done 12:20:08 ek: I have already incorporated the feedback 12:20:33 q+ 12:20:33 mm: we can table this since people had commented and reviews happened 12:20:36 mm: any objections? 12:20:53 ack dape 12:21:22 dp: style is different 12:21:27 mm: I can change that quickly 12:22:12 mm: we can merge and make them official in 3 weeks 12:22:31 kaz: I am ok to merge this PR as a starting point and discuss later on before making them official 12:24:48 kaz: IEs will have same access rights as members so there should be a policy on how to choose IEs later on 12:24:51 ack k 12:25:02 ... also the execution of policies are very important. We should discuss these 12:25:32 s/this PR/this PR 1108 itself/ 12:25:37 subtopic: Call for Resolutions 12:25:45 s/IEs/also, IEs/ 12:25:45 mm: I will send an email about a call for resolution 12:25:53 s/same/the same/ 12:26:01 ... so that we can make these policies official 12:26:03 s/later on/as well/ 12:26:16 rrsagent, make log public 12:26:21 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:26:22 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:26:37 Q* 12:26:47 s/also the exe/in addition, the exe/ 12:26:51 s/Q*// 12:27:04 q+ 12:27:13 topic: Meeting Schedule 12:27:21 mm: there is holiday season approaching 12:27:52 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:28:00 cris_ has joined #wot 12:28:04 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:28:05 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:28:12 chair: McCool/Sebastian 12:28:12 regrets+ Koster 12:28:14 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:28:15 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:28:52 q+ 12:28:52 mm: which two weeks should we cancel? 12:29:52 ... ege and sebastian has unavailabilities 12:29:57 i|we should mention|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1108 wot PR 1108 - Asynchronous decision policy proposal| 12:30:32 q+ 12:30:36 ack d 12:30:38 ack e 12:31:17 ek: we should understand when to reach resolutions on the REC track documents 12:32:01 q+ 12:33:37 ack e 12:33:49 ack k 12:34:16 kaz: no group resolution needed for REC track. The work is handled by the W3C Staff and also it is a W3C decision to proceed to REC 12:34:33 s/REC track/REC publication/ 12:35:03 s/proceed to REC/proceed with REC publication/ 12:35:12 q+ 12:35:42 sk: for td, we should check that the additional resources like ontologies are correct 12:36:04 ... I am ok to cancel main call for 3 weeks, we should leave the TF meetings should be left to TF moderators 12:37:39 ack k 12:37:54 kaz: @@@ 12:38:15 mm: I propose to cancel the meetings weeks of august 21st and august 27th 12:39:11 topic: New Charter 12:39:26 kaz: I am talking with MarComm about the procedure 12:40:08 mm: in this case, we will have a small gap between end of september and around 4th of October 12:40:25 kaz: we can start the AC review end of next week hopefully 12:41:22 sk: why is the process getting delayed? I need to explain to my management 12:41:54 kaz: due to process change, there are unclear parts 12:42:32 s/@@@/Note that we were originally talking about summer vacation but now we're talking about publication schedule. If we really want to talk about the publication schedule, we should once wrap up the vacation discussion and then start to talk about publication schedule./ 12:42:48 mm: we can talk offline 12:42:51 topic: TPAC Planning 12:43:30 mm: our slots are confirmed and written in Wiki 12:43:46 s/parts/parts, but as already mentioned, AC Review form and review request have been already generated, and actual review to start shortly./ 12:43:58 q+ 12:45:08 ack e 12:45:20 ek: there are breaks announced by W3C 12:45:22 s/we can start the AC review end of next week hopefully/We've already got extension by the end of September. Also the actual AC Review should be able to get started by the end of this week or early next week at the latest./ 12:45:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:45:49 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:46:18 ek: I think it would be better to start right after the break to allow others joining to catch up 12:46:40 i|out slot|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda TPAC 2023 WoT Agenda wiki| 12:46:50 mm: we can do easy things in shorter sessions 12:47:13 q+ 12:47:37 sk: TAG is also requesting a slot 12:49:21 mm: we should have a slot about use cases not at the end 12:49:31 q? 12:49:33 q+ 12:50:10 ack e 12:50:11 q_ 12:50:12 q+ 12:50:30 ek: we should have use case and requirements process, not new use cases 12:50:32 mm: we can arrange it 12:50:52 s/q_// 12:51:40 ack k 12:52:26 q+ 12:52:33 q+ 12:53:15 ack e 12:53:38 ek: We will talk in the TD call to finalize the TD topics 12:54:00 ... with Koster we spoke and decided to prioritize topics that benefit from a wider input\ 12:54:19 kaz: it is unusual to have new use cases in the final slot, it should be about wrapping up 12:58:10 ek: we should clarify what we mean by industry use cases but I think we agree on it, just a wording issue 12:58:13 topic: Publications 12:59:04 q+ 12:59:06 s/it is unusual to have new use cases in the final slot, it should be about wrapping up/We should have a quick wrap-up for the final slot. On the other hand, the "New Use Cases" should be rather called "Industry Use Cases" or "Commercial Use Cases" to see further deployment of the WoT standards within the real business./ 12:59:09 ack k 12:59:10 ack k 12:59:10 ack m 12:59:24 mm: we have 18 supporters for discovery now 12:59:54 q+ 12:59:58 ack e 12:59:59 ack e 13:00:08 ek: luca will have a look 13:00:44 ack k 13:01:34 mm: anything on the notes? 13:01:42 kaz: not yet 13:01:42 topic: Press Release 13:01:52 i|anythin|kaz: If you want, I can send a reminder to related AC Reps.| 13:01:55 mm: we have sent the review request to marcomm 13:02:04 i|anythin|mm: Yes, please.| 13:02:34 s/not yet/not yet. will work on them right after finalizing the Charter procedure./ 13:02:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:03:56 https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22by+REC+publication%22 13:04:04 q+ 13:04:51 https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/MARKETING/PressReleaseDrafts/2023/draft.md 13:04:58 s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22by+REC+publication%22|| 13:04:59 kaz: we should do review of press release narrative as a group 13:05:03 mm: we will do this over github 13:05:31 topic: Bug fix for TD 13:05:39 q+ 13:06:37 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1843 wot-thing-description PR 1843 - Fix well known operation types only 13:06:39 ack k 13:06:52 i/1843/subtopic: PR 1843/ 13:07:11 ek: Luca found this error on the description 13:08:04 -> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/1843/a09239f...luminem:2f6ced0.html#form diff for "5.3.4.2 Form" 13:08:30 [[ 13:08:39 operations types MUST be restricted 13:08:40 ]] 13:08:40 ek: there are no changes to the intention, we were testing like that already 13:08:41 => 13:08:43 [[ 13:08:52 mm: you are increasing the level of assertion 13:09:05 s/[[// 13:09:07 s/=>// 13:09:08 mm: we should have director approval to do this change 13:09:43 q+ 13:10:08 proposal: WoT WG will ask the W3C Director for approval to make the change in https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1843 to correct a logical inconsistency in the WoT TD 1.1 Proposed Recommendation before going to REC. 13:12:52 proposal: WoT WG will ask the W3C Director for approval to make the change labelled "Changes to PR HTML" to correct editorial issues in the WoT TD 1.1 Proposed Recommendation before going to REC. 13:13:09 proposal: WoT WG will ask the W3C Director for approval to make the changes labelled "Changes to PR HTML" to correct editorial issues in the WoT TD 1.1 Proposed Recommendation before going to REC. 13:13:37 proposal: WoT WG will ask the W3C Director for approval to make the changes labelled "Changes to PR HTML" to correct editorial issues (no implementation changes needed) in the WoT TD 1.1 Proposed Recommendation before going to REC. 13:14:11 resolution: WoT WG will ask the W3C Director for approval to make the changes labelled "Changes to PR HTML" to correct editorial issues (no implementation changes needed) in the WoT TD 1.1 Proposed Recommendation before going to REC. 13:17:28 kaz: So we need to pick up PRs which have impact to TD spec's index.html from the PRs with "by REC publication" on wot-thing-description repository. Right? 13:17:33 mm: Right. 13:17:36 [adjourned] 13:17:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:17:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:18:10 i|Right|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22by+REC+publication%22 PRs with "by REC publication" label| 13:18:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:18:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:19:33 i/If you want,/scribenick: kaz/ 13:19:48 i/anything on the note/scribenick: Ege/ 13:20:37 i/Fix well known ope/scribenick: kaz/ 13:20:48 i/there are no changes/scribenick: Ege/ 13:20:51 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:20:52 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:21:05 i/So we need to/scribenick: kaz/ 13:21:06 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:21:07 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:23:44 i/Note that we/scribenick: kaz/ 13:23:56 i/I propose to cancel/scribenick: Ege/ 13:23:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:23:59 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:24:11 s/out slot/our slot/ 13:24:13 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:24:14 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:24:41 s/luca will/Luca will/ 13:24:42 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:24:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:25:17 s/as a group/as the whole WoT WG./ 13:25:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:25:20 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:25:57 i/Bug fix for TD/kaz: We should have summary discussion during the main call as well./ 13:26:08 i/Bug fix for TD/mm: can do that too./ 13:26:10 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:26:11 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:26:29 i/summary di/scribenick: kaz/ 13:26:35 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:26:36 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:27:39 s/operations types MUST be restricted/"operations types MUST be restricted"/ 13:27:41 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:27:42 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/08/02-wot-minutes.html kaz 15:26:17 Zakim has left #wot