<scribe> Scribe: StefanS
<melsumner> I have to look at the site: https://www.w3.org/2001/12/zakim-irc-bot.html
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1987
Melanie: anyone interested in taking first look at it?
... I'll do
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/496
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/issues/495
Valerie: next issue on HTML AAM .. from Scott followup on discussion title etc
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/html-aam/pull/497
Valerie: from Scott could use some reviewers, Melanie? Brian?
Brian: I'll do
Melanie: Mee too
James: Me too
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1950
Valerie: 1st is use cases of aria-modal .. deep dive when Aron is back
... schedule deep dive? JamesN: yes Aaron is back
JamesC: re: TPAC, FYI you can attend meetings and take notes on a standard business visa, but you need a special work permit (4–8 week turnaround) if you going to ~"prepare or author reports"... I will be taking meeting notes and author after I leave the country
Valerie: we handle that at the TPAC agenda item
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1951
Valerie: othe point to handle is how handle hidden content? request from screen reader devs
... should we put on calender and check with scott next week?
<spectranaut_> schedule #1950 next week: Consider further use cases for aria-modal/potential values #1950
Valerie: lets do this next week
Valerie: asking planning on attending and registering?
<melsumner> I don't have funding, so I won't be able to make it
I have registered and will attend
Valerie: if there a TPAC topics to discuss please mail me
JamesN: If you are not attending TPAC we can try to schedule calls for later in
<jamesn> https://www.w3.org/register/tpac2023/registrants
JamesN: there is a registration list
<jcraig> Schengen space
JamesC: W3C there is a concept in Schengen space regarding business work
JamesN: surprised that this doesn't came up before for other meetings in Europe
JamesC: I'm going to take notes in meetings and any kind of effective authoring afterwards
Marcelo: what should we extpect when attending TPAC?
Valerie: (explains benefits)
... its like a very long ARIA group meeting where we dicuss lotta things and one crossover meeting with APA
... generally good opportunity to connect and meet with other Working Groups
JamesN: much useful tghings happen outside AND inside :)
... .. the meeting rooms
<Marcelo_Paiva> https://github.com/w3c/tpac2023-breakouts
Marcelo: Breakout session with Ian Jakobs? Familiar with that?
JamesN: If anyone wants to present something he/she can do it there
JamesC: (explains an example for such a demo)
JamesN: design tokens for accessibility settings is presented there, too
JamesC: also if you are pitching a breakout, the most successful ones usually come with a concrete solution proposal (even a strawman), rather than just a problem statement and brainstorm
Marcelo: Thanks!
Valerie: we went through aria notification proposals
... and we also discussed a bit speech markup
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1958#discussioncomment-6223153
<spectranaut_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1958#discussioncomment-6223219
DougG: htt conversation with Matt last week .. I feel that there are better ways to markup math through speech markup
... multiple levels of support... first level if browser doesnt expose api
DougN: next level if browser supports functionality but platform API has no richness for it .. what happens then? Open questions
DougG: My proposal would be that browser dumbs down to what platform is capable of
Aaron: Any reasons why we can't? just make it look live a live region and AT can make determination of
... Chicken and egg problem .. having something that works as good as live regions do now .. browsers need to catch up, platforms too
DougG: concern is AT double speaking?
Aaron: yes you need to mark live region with something
<Zakim> jcraig, you wanted to discuss granular feature detection (is there a similar precedent), and then AT-backing feature issue
JamesC: thank for the summary. there were responses to you .. granular feature detection ... by API or by Jaava Script .. second was about backing feature issue .. are you on a platform that potentially supports AT? .. also some privacy implications (detecting AT) ... you could potentially do it on Mac or iOS
<jamesn> qv?
JamesC: I don't have solution for this but I wanted to call out these
<Zakim> cyns, you wanted to ask about AT - how would the browser or site know that there are or are not ATs that support a particular thing?
Cynthia: if there were Ats supporting that feature on a platform just wondering .. there are 3rd party extensions etc.
JamesC: juming in .. we taled about this a little bit at F2F .. could implement that behind a flag and then making requirement to remove the flag I think what is going to happen is some hybrid .. Aaron you have more on this issue on the Windows side .. we could ship this in Webkit using the existing APIS and it will not work with Voice over
DougG: wondering what the transition woukd be
JamesC: if you run on Windows every day, turn on dev menu in Chrome/Edge .. bunch of feature flags to manipulate
Aaron: we have to avoid the problem that Jaws X works but Jaws Y version not
DougG: Windows: platform API already there? Browser engine will map to it#
... and Jaws will make use of it
Aaron: you saying we would wait until Jaws has support for it behind the scenes?
DougG: no windows desktop apps have been using it for 6 years
JamesC: we have it as accessibility announcement also quite some time already
Aaron: we need a strategy for Linux as well
JamesC: talking about this with Jenny?
Valerie: I can reach out to her
JAmesC: did we decide to do this in a breakout YCG group?
Valerie: yes
Web Incubation Community Group (WICG) pronounced "YCG"
JamesC: real benefit is GitHub repo assoiciated with that
Matt: and IP protections
Valerie: I can help you setting this upo
Matt: there are 2 different kind of community groups .. interest and business
<jcraig> rrsagent is not in the channel?
<jamesn> 😱
<jamesn> spectranaut_: did you start the meeting?
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