Meeting minutes
Collaboration Tools Accessibility User Requirements.
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Janina notes Scott's remarks on the use of color to convey information in the COGA comments.
scott_h: Coloring clearly shows, but didn't work for my high-contrast scheme
scott_h: Caught the initial "COGA" numbering may have dropped in the "download into Microsoft Word"
scott_h: Couldn't figure out where the GOGA comment ended
janina: Perhaps also noting "END COGA Comment"
jasonjgw: Seems they might not have used the comment feature in Google Docs? That would have trasferred to Word. Libreoffice, Pages, would still show up as comments
jasonjgw: Would also show where the comments start and end
scott_h: Had to resort to a colleague's assistance, still difficult to tease out; though definitely easier
scott_h: We're still not to a clean "copy and paste into github" state
scott_h: Still interpretation required
Substance of COGA Comments
janina: Noting COGA hasn't finished on this
scott_h: My feedback just initial and my perspective
scott_h: Much of it very useful; particularly adding a summary--though how that should work is a question to consider
scott_h: Like summary very much; hoping AI can help
jasonjgw: Agree comments very interesting
jasonjgw: Concerned scope not addressed; some would apply to document editing and beyond
jasonjgw: Creation of summaries can apply to docs, but also web pages, etc
jasonjgw: CTAUR is scoped to editing environments, and the COGA comments exceed this scope
jasonjgw: So, yes the comments are useful, but we can't use them in CTAUR
jasonjgw: If COGA wants to argue for a wider scope, that should be explicitly addressed
jasonjgw: On the other hand there may be creative ways to rework the comments into what would fit the doc
jasonjgw: Summary is a good example
jasonjgw: But in collaborative environment one might need to be more specific, e.g. while editing is in process auto generated summaries should be available on some time interval
jasonjgw: So, we want to ask COGA to consider how to work their thoughts into scope--or redefine scope with us
scott_h: Agree re scope; and summary does provide a good example of scope creep
jasonjgw: As the comments stand, some we would rule out of scope, others we'd need to work on a way to bring them into scope, others are clearly relevant
janina: Also, there's no explicit explanation of why github is so hard for COGA people to use
janina: Notes we consider github a collaborative environment, and very much in scope of CTAUR
janina: We expressly want COGA to explain their issues with git (and github)
jasonjgw: It's notable there are multiple interfaces into github, including editing environments that take care of github on the back end
jasonjgw: There are so many different ways of dealing with github, not just the default browser
jasonjgw: Having multiple interfaces into the same tool seems so accessibility friendly that it's critical for us to investigate and comment on the strenghts and challenges for different accessibility users
janina: Noting it's also not a binary. It's not just browser or CLI; there are other tools that help one edit and handle the editing and the github push
Media accessibility: update and planning.
jasonjgw: Looked at issues recorded from MEIG
jasonjgw: Link in this meeting's agenda ...
jasonjgw: We've discussed most, at least to a degree
jasonjgw: All useful and relevant, and we can get into github at some point
jasonjgw: Notes some environments left builtin a11y and are now retrenching because it didn't work out for them to reinvent all of a11y
jasonjgw: Good luck relying to reinvent a11y in canvas
jasonjgw: Attended a conference, will need to find link, but it was noted the major tech names were doing quite well for a11y, but beyond them there's a rapid and steep decline in quality
jasonjgw: Expertise in using available tools is highly concentrated, also the ones driving the standards; everyone else is lacking
Miscellaneous updates and topics.
janina: We expect Raja back, as he said he'd be back in August
Roy: Will followup
janina: Expect to be here all of August
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janina: CfC ends midnight Boston time Friday 28 July