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13:35:58 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk
13:36:03 <matatk> title: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:36:09 <matatk> Chair:  Matthew
13:36:09 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:36:09 <matatk> agenda+ TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023
13:36:09 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:36:12 <matatk> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:36:15 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:36:18 <matatk> agenda+ New on TR - http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
13:36:20 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:36:23 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al
13:36:25 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:36:28 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:36:31 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
13:36:33 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
13:36:33 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
13:36:34 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
13:36:34 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, Roy, janina, gb, Rachael, tink, agendabot, ZoeBijl, ada, slightlyoff, cwilso, Github, imlostlmao, M2cshkpcgrp, gonzu_15, Mike5Matrix,
13:36:34 <Zakim> ... archivematrixorgfaq, jcraig
13:36:37 <matatk> present+
13:36:38 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
13:36:38 <Zakim> Present: matatk
13:36:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, matatk, Roy, janina, gb, Rachael, tink, agendabot, ZoeBijl, ada, slightlyoff, cwilso, Github, imlostlmao, M2cshkpcgrp, gonzu_15, Mike5Matrix,
13:36:41 <Zakim> ... archivematrixorgfaq, jcraig
13:36:41 <matatk> agenda?
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13:50:58 <janina> present+
14:01:01 <PaulG> present+
14:01:16 <Roy> present+
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14:03:55 <IrfanA> agenda?
14:04:03 <IrfanA> present+
14:04:40 <janina> scribe+
14:05:10 <matatk> zakim, take up item 7
14:05:10 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
14:05:27 <janina> PaulG: CSS met in person, and no published minutes yet
14:05:33 <janina> PaulG: I wasn't able to attend
14:05:46 <janina> PaulG: believe discussion was mostly apis we wouldn't be concerned about
14:05:57 <janina> PaulG: Will catch up when I can
14:08:10 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:08:10 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:08:10 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:10 <Zakim> 1. Agenda Review & Announcements [from matatk]
14:08:13 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:08:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
14:08:31 <janina> matatk: Don't believe we have announcements?
14:08:56 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:08:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:08:57 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:08:58 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:08:58 <Zakim> 2. TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 [from matatk]
14:08:58 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 -- taken up [from matatk]
14:09:18 <janina> matatk: Stalled a bit; still waiting from TAG and several groups on timing
14:09:34 <janina> matatk: Difficulty with conflicting conference for some groups we're meeting with
14:09:46 <janina> matatk: We're following up as best we can
14:10:23 <janina> matatk: Still need to ask from ARIA?
14:10:32 <janina> matatk: Web Apps we should also ask
14:11:28 <janina> matatk: Was some question from Pronunciation on another ARIA mtg; but we need a good reason for another mtg, because we're not going their direction
14:12:14 <janina> PaulG: my attraction was reusable tokens; but more development would be needed to meed our reqs
14:12:27 <matatk> s/Web Apps we should also ask/WebAppSec we should also ask (re Adapt)/
14:12:44 <janina> PaulG: I think we get the basic finalized then return for elaboration in a 1.x
14:14:01 <janina> PaulG: would love to hear from the majors still
14:16:51 <janina> matatk: Believe the direction Pronunciation is going in seems right
14:17:06 <janina> matatk: Just don't want to have to repeat a dev cycle if the majors have issues
14:17:42 <janina> PaulG: We're still stuck on "html should b authorable by hand"
14:19:07 <janina> [discussion of some of the conundra]
14:20:40 <janina> matatk: Anything we can do during TPAC, we should be ready
14:22:15 <janina> PaulG: May be helpful to game-out ssml vs json with whatwg at TPAC
14:22:26 <janina> PaulG: what will happen if ...
14:22:38 <matatk> Updated agenda for WHATWG meeting (need to request): https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#WHATWG_.2860_mins.29
14:24:54 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:24:54 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
14:25:32 <matatk> agenda?
14:25:58 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:25:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
14:25:59 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:25:59 <Zakim> 4. Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues [from matatk]
14:27:00 <matatk> zakim, drop item 6
14:27:00 <Zakim> agendum 6, New on TR - http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html, dropped
14:27:13 <matatk> zakim, drop item 9
14:27:13 <Zakim> agendum 9, Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned, dropped
14:27:17 <matatk> zakim, next
14:27:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', matatk
14:27:20 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:27:21 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
14:28:58 <Roy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jun/0019.html
14:29:11 <janina> matatk: Notes comment from Lionel -- link above
14:30:02 <janina> matatk: Is FPWD, so we can park
14:30:46 <matatk> We have 3 VC specs to review (explicitly requested):
14:30:48 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/61
14:31:02 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/64
14:31:04 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/65
14:32:20 <matatk> subtopic:  Verifiable Credential Data Integrity (and vc-di-eddsa and vc-di-ecdsa) 2023-05-27 -> 2023-07-31 #61
14:32:23 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/61
14:33:15 <janina> matatk: expect no a11y, though privacy; suggest we approve
14:33:48 <janina> PaulG: as long as mechanisa are transparent, cert window needs to be readable
14:34:41 <janina> matatk: good point; ua considerations arising from this; none in the doc; may be out of scope for this doc
14:36:15 <janina> matatk: Notes two subordinate specs
14:36:20 <janina> matatk: So we sign off on 61
14:36:26 <matatk> subtopic:  Verifiable Credentials JSON Schema Specification 2023-06-13 #64
14:36:28 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/64
14:36:59 <janina> matatk: might be user related needed? so we might expect to see in schema
14:39:00 <janina> matatk: This is a thin wrapper on the main spec
14:39:17 <janina> matatk: Does have A11y Considerations
14:39:52 <janina> matatk: Tells implementrs to be mindful -- nice!
14:40:52 <janina> matatk: link to VC Data spec also has Considerations
14:41:18 <janina> matatk: We signoff on 64 with our thanks for a11y considerations
14:41:47 <matatk> subtopic:  Verifiable Credentials Data Model v2.0 2021-06-15 #65
14:41:51 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/65
14:42:09 <janina> matatk: Compliment of 64; we're fine
14:42:23 <janina> matatk: We sign off here as well
14:45:05 <matatk> agenda?
14:45:32 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:45:32 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
14:45:33 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:45:33 <Zakim> 5. A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from matatk]
14:45:44 <matatk> zakim, drop item 5
14:45:44 <Zakim> agendum 5, A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped
14:45:46 <matatk> zakim, drop item 8
14:45:47 <Zakim> agendum 8, Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al, dropped
14:45:49 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:45:49 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
14:45:57 <matatk> subtopic: RQTF
14:46:04 <matatk> scribe+
14:46:36 <matatk> janina: COGA has been reviewing CTAUR, for which RQTF is very grateful. I asked Lisa to provide a pointer to COGA's in-process review.
14:46:42 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Jul/0024.h
14:47:24 <matatk> janina: There's progress, but there's also some things missing. Process: they're not using Google Docs comments, to it's not clear when the comment ends.
14:49:09 <matatk> janina: We found a lot of good, actionable feedback. There were also some things that were out-of-scope for CTAUR. Also we've not had any feedback about GitHub (we are specifically interetsed in that, as W3C uses it).
14:49:21 <matatk> janina: There are non-web UIs to GitHub (e.g. gh CLI)
14:50:16 <matatk> janina: We envisage a scenario in which everyone has a tool _they_ can use to interface with a common environment. Would be good to know what COGA finds with the other tools, so people can find something that works for them.
14:56:45 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:56:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:58:40 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:58:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been matatk, janina, PaulG, Roy, IrfanA
14:58:42 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:58:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/26-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:58:49 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:00:15 <janina> rrsagent, bye
15:00:15 <RRSAgent> I see no action items