IRC log of wcag3-timing on 2023-07-24

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
14:34:15 [jeanne]
Meeting: Timing and Interruptions Subgroup
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Francis_Storr
15:45:59 [Francis_Storr]
"meeting: timing and interruptions subgroup, week 1"
15:46:05 [Francis_Storr]
meeting: timing and interruptions subgroup, week 1
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agenda?
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present+
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zakim, start meeting
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Rachael
16:02:19 [Lauriat]
Present+
16:03:44 [Rachael]
q+
16:03:52 [Wilco]
agenda+ Introductions (if necessary)
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agenda+ Finalize goals
16:03:59 [Wilco]
agenda+ Work on plan of action
16:04:04 [ToddL]
present+
16:04:09 [Lauriat]
ack Rachael
16:04:12 [Rachael]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ORny9RyJl70T1pUU5Qb5PBvh6yDOkmGCerrUgmY1gc/edit
16:06:02 [Wilco]
Meeting: WCAG 3 Timing and interruptions Guideline Subgroup
16:07:47 [Rachael]
scribe: Rachael
16:08:02 [Rachael]
Introductions. Francis, Rachael, Jeanne,
16:09:21 [Wilco]
present+
16:10:53 [Rachael]
...Andrew, Shawn, Todd, and Wilco.
16:10:58 [Rachael]
Wilco will just be hear this week.
16:12:25 [Rachael]
Todd will facilitate next week with Wilco's support (Rachael can also assist)
16:13:11 [Francis_Storr]
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1RxbC8hOB6wvX1EisJzbYezvJXe0rGgDPvgUiBGCUw6Q/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2175fb9d3cf_1_106
16:15:06 [Francis_Storr]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/?currentsidebar=%23col_overview#enough-time
16:15:58 [Wilco]
q+
16:16:12 [AndySomers]
q+
16:16:26 [Rachael]
Francis: We need to start with the research and then work through the writing process. Do we want to create a timeline by weeks?
16:16:34 [Rachael]
[see scratchpad]
16:17:03 [Rachael]
ack Wilco
16:17:16 [Rachael]
ack AndySomers
16:17:26 [Rachael]
Wilco: May want to mimic earlier group's approach.
16:17:49 [Rachael]
Andy: Defining the user needs, why people need to have consideration, that is really helpful.
16:17:58 [Rachael]
...should be focus of first week
16:18:20 [Rachael]
q+
16:18:39 [Rachael]
Andy: Example: Something happening too fast.
16:19:28 [Chuck]
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16:19:32 [jeanne]
q+ to talk about the work previously done as part of the categorization project
16:21:15 [Rachael]
ack Rachael
16:21:31 [Rachael]
Rachael; Slide 20 on writing process. User needs first. Would like to follow that.
16:21:56 [Francis_Storr]
ack jeanne
16:21:56 [Zakim]
jeanne, you wanted to talk about the work previously done as part of the categorization project
16:23:12 [Rachael]
Jeanne: Last year we did a categorizaiton exercise that already pulled together some work. That can be a part of how we look at the user needs. Starting by brainstorming is a great way to start because we may pick up things we might not otherwise think about.
16:24:32 [Rachael]
Francis: Read slide 20-24 for examples. Let's use this time to start working through user needs.
16:24:38 [Rachael]
+1 to brainstorming/collecting user needs
16:24:59 [Lauriat]
+1 to Jeanne's suggestion of pulling from that categorization work already done, should get us off to a good start
16:25:34 [Rachael]
Add research to scratch pad
16:26:18 [ToddL]
q+
16:26:22 [Rachael]
q+
16:26:40 [Rachael]
Andy: I like to start with NIH
16:27:47 [Rachael]
ack ToddL
16:27:57 [AndySomers]
NIH: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
16:28:06 [ToddL]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POhgI_xHZtSoNbHFp3r5HYIkl6ePaP8DC5d90SZ1tF4/edit?usp=sharing
16:28:48 [Rachael]
https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
16:28:50 [AndySomers]
Paywalled: https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals
16:28:59 [Rachael]
ack Rachael
16:29:21 [Chuck]
Rachael: We have categorization exercise, COGA, can we sub-divide and not all overlap?
16:29:32 [Rachael]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ozuzzJWfGI_-oIFcGNLyg-WRfYXw89-z/edit#gid=85670843
16:29:54 [Rachael]
Rachael will take COGA
16:30:08 [AndySomers]
If there are paywalled documents that you come across, let me know., I may be able to get a free version
16:32:18 [Francis_Storr]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ORny9RyJl70T1pUU5Qb5PBvh6yDOkmGCerrUgmY1gc/edit
16:33:33 [Chuck]
q?
16:35:19 [Chuck]
q+
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ack Ch
16:41:01 [Rachael]
{Working in Scratchpad]
16:48:22 [ToddL]
q+
16:48:35 [Rachael]
ack ToddL
16:48:48 [ToddL]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WKGPMiDL8CKcXWr0md09ZLwZEPdoxeNTNQsf8IuszqQ/edit?usp=sharing
16:48:50 [Rachael]
ToddL: I also have another, so not sure where it goes.
16:49:30 [Rachael]
Francis_Storr: Add it under the research heading
16:50:52 [Chuck]
q+
16:51:08 [Chuck]
ack Ch
16:51:22 [Rachael]
Jeanne: May lose some of the power in this doc
16:51:42 [Rachael]
Chuck: I think there is some aspects of nagging that is timing related. Other aspects may go elsewhere.
16:51:50 [AndySomers]
q+
16:52:16 [Chuck]
ack And
16:52:47 [Rachael]
Andy: When it comes to user needs, there is a lot of crossover. This brings into the question regarding the naming of these guidelines
16:52:49 [Rachael]
q+
16:52:55 [Chuck]
q+ to suggest we discuss homework
16:52:56 [Rachael]
...talking earlier today about harm from motion
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that overlaps with harm from flashes.
16:53:36 [Rachael]
this opens the door to being able to work freely without stress. Is timing and interruptions the best title?
16:53:41 [ToddL]
I'm unable for whatever reason to get the formatting down in the doc we're working on for the "Other links" area.
16:53:41 [Rachael]
ack Rachael
16:53:57 [ToddL]
q+
16:54:30 [Rachael]
This is the first step in the process. We can break this apart later and rename it.
16:54:40 [Francis_Storr]
q?
16:54:46 [Rachael]
Jeanne: Yes, we could do so but likely not the first meeting.
16:54:46 [Chuck]
+1 good to write down even if we think it doesn't "fit"
16:55:07 [Rachael]
Andy: with brainstorming, we typically write things down even if it is not part of the category.
16:55:17 [Rachael]
...even if it is tangentally related.
16:55:37 [Chuck]
ack Ch
16:55:37 [Zakim]
Chuck, you wanted to suggest we discuss homework
16:55:38 [Rachael]
+1 as long as the research supports the idea
16:55:56 [Francis_Storr]
ack Chuck
16:55:56 [Rachael]
Chuck: We got so engrossed that time is almost up.
16:56:00 [Francis_Storr]
ack ToddL
16:56:27 [Rachael]
ToddL: Agree with writing things down even if they don't fit.
16:56:41 [Rachael]
Francis_Storr: Homework for next week. There is a bunch of reading for people to do.
16:57:11 [Chuck]
This is so awesome Todd! And yes, as I absorb this, I couls dee these fitting into "interruptions" even if they don't have a timing aspect.
16:57:27 [Chuck]
q+
16:57:31 [Rachael]
Go through the content in the scratchpad.
16:57:38 [Chuck]
ack Ch
16:57:42 [Rachael]
...go through the user needs and make sure they are in the right format.
16:57:42 [ToddL]
Thank you, Chuck. I'm not hard line on anything, but I'll explain next time. :)
16:57:44 [Rachael]
q+
16:58:11 [Chuck]
Rachael: It may be worth linking to research if we write down a user need.
16:58:13 [ToddL]
+1 to tracking research and links
16:58:23 [Lauriat]
+1, that'll help immensely!
16:58:34 [Chuck]
Rachael: As we rework all of this, we may be asked about the research that supports this.
16:58:49 [Rachael]
Francis_Storr: Maybe put into a table. Column of user need, column of user research.
16:58:49 [jeanne]
+1 Good idea!
16:59:00 [Chuck]
+1 homework
16:59:09 [Rachael]
+1
16:59:13 [ToddL]
+1
16:59:15 [AndySomers]
+1
16:59:20 [ToddL]
aww man! homework?!
17:00:41 [Rachael]
Rachael: Learning as we go.
17:02:58 [Rachael]
rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-minutes.html Rachael
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been AndySomers, Lauriat, ToddL, Wilco
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Francis_Storr; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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