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14:33:53 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
14:34:15 <jeanne> Meeting: Timing and Interruptions Subgroup
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15:44:59 <Francis_Storr> zakim, start meeting
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15:45:00 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Francis_Storr
15:45:59 <Francis_Storr> "meeting: timing and interruptions subgroup, week 1"
15:46:05 <Francis_Storr> meeting: timing and interruptions subgroup, week 1
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16:00:49 <Wilco> agenda?
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16:01:48 <AndySomers> present+
16:02:04 <Rachael> zakim, start meeting
16:02:04 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:02:05 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Rachael
16:02:19 <Lauriat> Present+
16:03:44 <Rachael> q+
16:03:52 <Wilco> agenda+ Introductions (if necessary)
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16:03:56 <Wilco> agenda+ Finalize goals
16:03:59 <Wilco> agenda+ Work on plan of action
16:04:04 <ToddL> present+
16:04:09 <Lauriat> ack Rachael
16:04:12 <Rachael> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ORny9RyJl70T1pUU5Qb5PBvh6yDOkmGCerrUgmY1gc/edit
16:06:02 <Wilco> Meeting: WCAG 3 Timing and interruptions Guideline Subgroup
16:07:47 <Rachael> scribe: Rachael
16:08:02 <Rachael> Introductions. Francis, Rachael, Jeanne,
16:09:21 <Wilco> present+
16:10:53 <Rachael> ...Andrew, Shawn, Todd, and Wilco.
16:10:58 <Rachael> Wilco will just be hear this week.
16:12:25 <Rachael> Todd will facilitate next week with Wilco's support (Rachael can also assist)
16:13:11 <Francis_Storr> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1RxbC8hOB6wvX1EisJzbYezvJXe0rGgDPvgUiBGCUw6Q/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2175fb9d3cf_1_106
16:15:06 <Francis_Storr> https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/?currentsidebar=%23col_overview#enough-time
16:15:58 <Wilco> q+
16:16:12 <AndySomers> q+
16:16:26 <Rachael> Francis: We need to start with the research and then work through the writing process. Do we want to create a timeline by weeks?
16:16:34 <Rachael> [see scratchpad]
16:17:03 <Rachael> ack Wilco
16:17:16 <Rachael> ack AndySomers
16:17:26 <Rachael> Wilco: May want to mimic earlier group's approach.
16:17:49 <Rachael> Andy: Defining the user needs, why people need to have consideration, that is really helpful.
16:17:58 <Rachael> ...should be focus of first week
16:18:20 <Rachael> q+
16:18:39 <Rachael> Andy: Example: Something happening too fast.
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16:19:32 <jeanne> q+ to talk about the work previously done as part of the categorization project
16:21:15 <Rachael> ack Rachael
16:21:31 <Rachael> Rachael; Slide 20 on writing process. User needs first. Would like to follow that.
16:21:56 <Francis_Storr> ack jeanne
16:21:56 <Zakim> jeanne, you wanted to talk about the work previously done as part of the categorization project
16:23:12 <Rachael> Jeanne: Last year we did a categorizaiton exercise that already pulled together some work. That can be a part of how we look at the user needs. Starting by brainstorming is a great way to start because we may pick up things we might not otherwise think about.
16:24:32 <Rachael> Francis: Read slide 20-24 for examples. Let's use this time to start working through user needs.
16:24:38 <Rachael> +1 to brainstorming/collecting user needs
16:24:59 <Lauriat> +1 to Jeanne's suggestion of pulling from that categorization work already done, should get us off to a good start
16:25:34 <Rachael> Add research to scratch pad
16:26:18 <ToddL> q+
16:26:22 <Rachael> q+
16:26:40 <Rachael> Andy: I like to start with NIH
16:27:47 <Rachael> ack ToddL
16:27:57 <AndySomers> NIH:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
16:28:06 <ToddL> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POhgI_xHZtSoNbHFp3r5HYIkl6ePaP8DC5d90SZ1tF4/edit?usp=sharing
16:28:48 <Rachael> https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
16:28:50 <AndySomers> Paywalled: https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals
16:28:59 <Rachael> ack Rachael
16:29:21 <Chuck> Rachael:  We have categorization exercise, COGA, can we sub-divide and not all overlap?
16:29:32 <Rachael> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ozuzzJWfGI_-oIFcGNLyg-WRfYXw89-z/edit#gid=85670843
16:29:54 <Rachael> Rachael will take COGA
16:30:08 <AndySomers> If there are paywalled documents that you come across, let me know., I may be able to get a free version
16:32:18 <Francis_Storr> https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ORny9RyJl70T1pUU5Qb5PBvh6yDOkmGCerrUgmY1gc/edit
16:33:33 <Chuck> q?
16:35:19 <Chuck> q+
16:35:40 <Chuck> ack Ch
16:41:01 <Rachael> {Working in Scratchpad]
16:48:22 <ToddL> q+
16:48:35 <Rachael> ack ToddL
16:48:48 <ToddL> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WKGPMiDL8CKcXWr0md09ZLwZEPdoxeNTNQsf8IuszqQ/edit?usp=sharing
16:48:50 <Rachael> ToddL: I also have another, so not sure where it goes.
16:49:30 <Rachael> Francis_Storr: Add it under the research heading
16:50:52 <Chuck> q+
16:51:08 <Chuck> ack Ch
16:51:22 <Rachael> Jeanne: May lose some of the power in this doc
16:51:42 <Rachael> Chuck: I think there is some aspects of nagging that is timing related. Other aspects may go elsewhere.
16:51:50 <AndySomers> q+
16:52:16 <Chuck> ack And
16:52:47 <Rachael> Andy: When it comes to user needs, there is a lot of crossover. This brings into the question regarding the naming of these guidelines
16:52:49 <Rachael> q+
16:52:55 <Chuck> q+ to suggest we discuss homework
16:52:56 <Rachael> ...talking earlier today about harm from motion
16:53:07 <Rachael> that overlaps with harm from flashes.
16:53:36 <Rachael> this opens the door to being able to work freely without stress. Is timing and interruptions the best title?
16:53:41 <ToddL> I'm unable for whatever reason to get the formatting down in the doc we're working on for the "Other links" area.
16:53:41 <Rachael> ack Rachael
16:53:57 <ToddL> q+
16:54:30 <Rachael> This is the first step in the process. We can break this apart later and rename it.
16:54:40 <Francis_Storr> q?
16:54:46 <Rachael> Jeanne: Yes, we could do so but likely not the first meeting.
16:54:46 <Chuck> +1 good to write down even if we think it doesn't "fit"
16:55:07 <Rachael> Andy: with brainstorming, we typically write things down even if it is not part of the category.
16:55:17 <Rachael> ...even if it is tangentally related.
16:55:37 <Chuck> ack Ch
16:55:37 <Zakim> Chuck, you wanted to suggest we discuss homework
16:55:38 <Rachael> +1 as long as the research supports the idea
16:55:56 <Francis_Storr> ack Chuck
16:55:56 <Rachael> Chuck: We got so engrossed that time is almost up.
16:56:00 <Francis_Storr> ack ToddL
16:56:27 <Rachael> ToddL:  Agree with writing things down even if they don't fit.
16:56:41 <Rachael> Francis_Storr: Homework for next week. There is a bunch of reading for people to do.
16:57:11 <Chuck> This is so awesome Todd!  And yes, as I absorb this, I couls dee these fitting into "interruptions" even if they don't have a timing aspect.
16:57:27 <Chuck> q+
16:57:31 <Rachael> Go through the content in the scratchpad.
16:57:38 <Chuck> ack Ch
16:57:42 <Rachael> ...go through the user needs and make sure they are in the right format.
16:57:42 <ToddL> Thank you, Chuck. I'm not hard line on anything, but I'll explain next time. :)
16:57:44 <Rachael> q+
16:58:11 <Chuck> Rachael:  It may be worth linking to research if we write down a user need.
16:58:13 <ToddL> +1 to tracking research and links
16:58:23 <Lauriat> +1, that'll help immensely!
16:58:34 <Chuck> Rachael:  As we rework all of this, we may be asked about the research that supports this.
16:58:49 <Rachael> Francis_Storr: Maybe put into a table. Column of user need, column of user research.
16:58:49 <jeanne> +1 Good idea!
16:59:00 <Chuck> +1 homework
16:59:09 <Rachael> +1
16:59:13 <ToddL> +1
16:59:15 <AndySomers> +1
16:59:20 <ToddL> aww man! homework?!
17:00:41 <Rachael> Rachael: Learning as we go.
17:02:58 <Rachael> rrsagent, generate minutes
17:03:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-minutes.html Rachael
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17:40:35 <Francis_Storr> zakim, end meeting
17:40:36 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AndySomers, Lauriat, ToddL, Wilco
17:40:37 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:40:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-minutes.html Zakim
17:40:44 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Francis_Storr; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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