IRC log of wcag3-timing on 2023-07-24
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jeanne
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- Meeting: Timing and Interruptions Subgroup
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- zakim, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Francis_Storr
- 15:45:59 [Francis_Storr]
- "meeting: timing and interruptions subgroup, week 1"
- 15:46:05 [Francis_Storr]
- meeting: timing and interruptions subgroup, week 1
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- zakim, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
- 16:02:05 [Zakim]
- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Rachael
- 16:02:19 [Lauriat]
- Present+
- 16:03:44 [Rachael]
- q+
- 16:03:52 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Introductions (if necessary)
- 16:03:56 [ToddL]
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- 16:03:56 [Wilco]
- agenda+ Finalize goals
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- agenda+ Work on plan of action
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- present+
- 16:04:09 [Lauriat]
- ack Rachael
- 16:04:12 [Rachael]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ORny9RyJl70T1pUU5Qb5PBvh6yDOkmGCerrUgmY1gc/edit
- 16:06:02 [Wilco]
- Meeting: WCAG 3 Timing and interruptions Guideline Subgroup
- 16:07:47 [Rachael]
- scribe: Rachael
- 16:08:02 [Rachael]
- Introductions. Francis, Rachael, Jeanne,
- 16:09:21 [Wilco]
- present+
- 16:10:53 [Rachael]
- ...Andrew, Shawn, Todd, and Wilco.
- 16:10:58 [Rachael]
- Wilco will just be hear this week.
- 16:12:25 [Rachael]
- Todd will facilitate next week with Wilco's support (Rachael can also assist)
- 16:13:11 [Francis_Storr]
- https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1RxbC8hOB6wvX1EisJzbYezvJXe0rGgDPvgUiBGCUw6Q/edit?pli=1#slide=id.g2175fb9d3cf_1_106
- 16:15:06 [Francis_Storr]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/quickref/?currentsidebar=%23col_overview#enough-time
- 16:15:58 [Wilco]
- q+
- 16:16:12 [AndySomers]
- q+
- 16:16:26 [Rachael]
- Francis: We need to start with the research and then work through the writing process. Do we want to create a timeline by weeks?
- 16:16:34 [Rachael]
- [see scratchpad]
- 16:17:03 [Rachael]
- ack Wilco
- 16:17:16 [Rachael]
- ack AndySomers
- 16:17:26 [Rachael]
- Wilco: May want to mimic earlier group's approach.
- 16:17:49 [Rachael]
- Andy: Defining the user needs, why people need to have consideration, that is really helpful.
- 16:17:58 [Rachael]
- ...should be focus of first week
- 16:18:20 [Rachael]
- q+
- 16:18:39 [Rachael]
- Andy: Example: Something happening too fast.
- 16:19:28 [Chuck]
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- 16:19:32 [jeanne]
- q+ to talk about the work previously done as part of the categorization project
- 16:21:15 [Rachael]
- ack Rachael
- 16:21:31 [Rachael]
- Rachael; Slide 20 on writing process. User needs first. Would like to follow that.
- 16:21:56 [Francis_Storr]
- ack jeanne
- 16:21:56 [Zakim]
- jeanne, you wanted to talk about the work previously done as part of the categorization project
- 16:23:12 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: Last year we did a categorizaiton exercise that already pulled together some work. That can be a part of how we look at the user needs. Starting by brainstorming is a great way to start because we may pick up things we might not otherwise think about.
- 16:24:32 [Rachael]
- Francis: Read slide 20-24 for examples. Let's use this time to start working through user needs.
- 16:24:38 [Rachael]
- +1 to brainstorming/collecting user needs
- 16:24:59 [Lauriat]
- +1 to Jeanne's suggestion of pulling from that categorization work already done, should get us off to a good start
- 16:25:34 [Rachael]
- Add research to scratch pad
- 16:26:18 [ToddL]
- q+
- 16:26:22 [Rachael]
- q+
- 16:26:40 [Rachael]
- Andy: I like to start with NIH
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- ack ToddL
- 16:27:57 [AndySomers]
- NIH: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
- 16:28:06 [ToddL]
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1POhgI_xHZtSoNbHFp3r5HYIkl6ePaP8DC5d90SZ1tF4/edit?usp=sharing
- 16:28:48 [Rachael]
- https://w3c.github.io/apa/fast/
- 16:28:50 [AndySomers]
- Paywalled: https://www.elsevier.com/books-and-journals
- 16:28:59 [Rachael]
- ack Rachael
- 16:29:21 [Chuck]
- Rachael: We have categorization exercise, COGA, can we sub-divide and not all overlap?
- 16:29:32 [Rachael]
- https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ozuzzJWfGI_-oIFcGNLyg-WRfYXw89-z/edit#gid=85670843
- 16:29:54 [Rachael]
- Rachael will take COGA
- 16:30:08 [AndySomers]
- If there are paywalled documents that you come across, let me know., I may be able to get a free version
- 16:32:18 [Francis_Storr]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/15ORny9RyJl70T1pUU5Qb5PBvh6yDOkmGCerrUgmY1gc/edit
- 16:33:33 [Chuck]
- q?
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- q+
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- ack Ch
- 16:41:01 [Rachael]
- {Working in Scratchpad]
- 16:48:22 [ToddL]
- q+
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- ack ToddL
- 16:48:48 [ToddL]
- https://docs.google.com/document/d/1WKGPMiDL8CKcXWr0md09ZLwZEPdoxeNTNQsf8IuszqQ/edit?usp=sharing
- 16:48:50 [Rachael]
- ToddL: I also have another, so not sure where it goes.
- 16:49:30 [Rachael]
- Francis_Storr: Add it under the research heading
- 16:50:52 [Chuck]
- q+
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- ack Ch
- 16:51:22 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: May lose some of the power in this doc
- 16:51:42 [Rachael]
- Chuck: I think there is some aspects of nagging that is timing related. Other aspects may go elsewhere.
- 16:51:50 [AndySomers]
- q+
- 16:52:16 [Chuck]
- ack And
- 16:52:47 [Rachael]
- Andy: When it comes to user needs, there is a lot of crossover. This brings into the question regarding the naming of these guidelines
- 16:52:49 [Rachael]
- q+
- 16:52:55 [Chuck]
- q+ to suggest we discuss homework
- 16:52:56 [Rachael]
- ...talking earlier today about harm from motion
- 16:53:07 [Rachael]
- that overlaps with harm from flashes.
- 16:53:36 [Rachael]
- this opens the door to being able to work freely without stress. Is timing and interruptions the best title?
- 16:53:41 [ToddL]
- I'm unable for whatever reason to get the formatting down in the doc we're working on for the "Other links" area.
- 16:53:41 [Rachael]
- ack Rachael
- 16:53:57 [ToddL]
- q+
- 16:54:30 [Rachael]
- This is the first step in the process. We can break this apart later and rename it.
- 16:54:40 [Francis_Storr]
- q?
- 16:54:46 [Rachael]
- Jeanne: Yes, we could do so but likely not the first meeting.
- 16:54:46 [Chuck]
- +1 good to write down even if we think it doesn't "fit"
- 16:55:07 [Rachael]
- Andy: with brainstorming, we typically write things down even if it is not part of the category.
- 16:55:17 [Rachael]
- ...even if it is tangentally related.
- 16:55:37 [Chuck]
- ack Ch
- 16:55:37 [Zakim]
- Chuck, you wanted to suggest we discuss homework
- 16:55:38 [Rachael]
- +1 as long as the research supports the idea
- 16:55:56 [Francis_Storr]
- ack Chuck
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- Chuck: We got so engrossed that time is almost up.
- 16:56:00 [Francis_Storr]
- ack ToddL
- 16:56:27 [Rachael]
- ToddL: Agree with writing things down even if they don't fit.
- 16:56:41 [Rachael]
- Francis_Storr: Homework for next week. There is a bunch of reading for people to do.
- 16:57:11 [Chuck]
- This is so awesome Todd! And yes, as I absorb this, I couls dee these fitting into "interruptions" even if they don't have a timing aspect.
- 16:57:27 [Chuck]
- q+
- 16:57:31 [Rachael]
- Go through the content in the scratchpad.
- 16:57:38 [Chuck]
- ack Ch
- 16:57:42 [Rachael]
- ...go through the user needs and make sure they are in the right format.
- 16:57:42 [ToddL]
- Thank you, Chuck. I'm not hard line on anything, but I'll explain next time. :)
- 16:57:44 [Rachael]
- q+
- 16:58:11 [Chuck]
- Rachael: It may be worth linking to research if we write down a user need.
- 16:58:13 [ToddL]
- +1 to tracking research and links
- 16:58:23 [Lauriat]
- +1, that'll help immensely!
- 16:58:34 [Chuck]
- Rachael: As we rework all of this, we may be asked about the research that supports this.
- 16:58:49 [Rachael]
- Francis_Storr: Maybe put into a table. Column of user need, column of user research.
- 16:58:49 [jeanne]
- +1 Good idea!
- 16:59:00 [Chuck]
- +1 homework
- 16:59:09 [Rachael]
- +1
- 16:59:13 [ToddL]
- +1
- 16:59:15 [AndySomers]
- +1
- 16:59:20 [ToddL]
- aww man! homework?!
- 17:00:41 [Rachael]
- Rachael: Learning as we go.
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- rrsagent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-minutes.html Rachael
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been AndySomers, Lauriat, ToddL, Wilco
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-timing-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, Francis_Storr; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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