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15:49:42 <shadi> zakim, start meeting
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15:49:44 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), shadi
15:50:21 <shadi> meeting: Guidance for Policy Makers Subgroup
15:50:28 <shadi> chair: shadi
15:50:31 <shadi> present+
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16:01:54 <Azlan> present+
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16:03:16 <Jason_K> present+
16:03:29 <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
16:03:34 <Cyborg> Present+
16:03:39 <Cyborg> am I in the right place?
16:03:48 <Cyborg> can someone please resend the zoom link here?
16:05:48 <Cyborg> can the links please be reposted here?
16:06:00 <Cyborg> i'm having difficulty finding things today...given the circumstances
16:06:56 <shadi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B-qfTrPxnhIa0AxhPEF6SIDTLAGnneoauBRHGzS5q7U/edit#
16:14:48 <Jason_K> done
16:16:14 <Azlan> Done
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16:16:23 <SusiPallero> Present+
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16:16:57 <garcialo> present+
16:17:02 <Cyborg> wondering if we can add a statement at the beginning/early on to make it explicitly clear that this is not to diminish responsibility, but to ensure that this work actually gets done
16:17:11 <garcialo> done reading
16:17:16 <Cyborg> i continue to be concerned about this being considered "loopholes"
16:17:20 <laura> done reading
16:17:25 <Jason_K> q+
16:18:14 <SusiPallero> scribe+
16:19:51 <SusiPallero> Jason_K: Suggests to split the time of today's meeting between reviewing the doc and the powerpoint and shadi agrees
16:20:18 <Azlan> No objection
16:21:02 <Jason_K> With bullets reads better
16:21:10 <laura> +1 to bullets
16:21:21 <SusiPallero> shadi: About Abstract with bullets: shadi asks about agreement on going on the bullet even if it is not traditionally the way w3c presents it
16:21:27 <Azlan> No strong preference either way
16:21:57 <SusiPallero> +1 to bullets
16:24:14 <SusiPallero> Cyborg: Asks if Abstract with bullets takes the place of Abstract, shadi say yes
16:26:32 <garcialo> +1
16:26:55 <garcialo> +1 to order of the bullets aren't as important right now
16:27:16 <SusiPallero> Jason_K: Maybe we don't need to go into too much detail about the order of the bullets as it is a template
16:27:57 <SusiPallero> Cyborg: Suggests to move it the the previous just before it (the "Is intended to maximize accessibility through recommended processes and practices rather than providing exemptions or loopholes" point)
16:28:18 <garcialo> I have no problems moving it up one bullet point
16:28:51 <Jason_K> No objections moving the bullets
16:28:57 <garcialo> no objections
16:29:00 <Azlan> No objections
16:29:02 <SusiPallero> Team agrees on moving the bullet up
16:30:39 <SusiPallero> shadi: We don't have certainty about the continuity of our work because August might be a slow month for AGWG as they won't be meeting. We will have more rounds to review is it is not close to be a public document yet.
16:31:34 <SusiPallero> shadi: Says it is going to be a draft, a living document. Content will be moved to another Google doc.
16:32:23 <SusiPallero> Teams agrees in the content of "Status of this Document section"
16:33:36 <SusiPallero> garcialo: About Background section: would like to move the examples up
16:34:08 <garcialo> SusiPallero: We can close the comment
16:35:17 <SusiPallero> shadi: Introduction section, examples were added explaining what would you expect to find in the document
16:36:19 <garcialo> No concerns
16:36:29 <Azlan> All good to me
16:36:53 <SusiPallero> +1 to Introduction as it is
16:37:08 <SusiPallero> Teams agrees to keep Introduction sections as it is.
16:37:09 <Jason_K> +1 to intro as is
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16:39:12 <SusiPallero> shadi: Bugs and Other Issues of Oversight section: As it is a very early draft we could have different files. This section is not quite ready. Being this an early draft we can leave it as it is
16:40:10 <SusiPallero> garcialo: Concerns that it looks like policy itself. Jason agrees about ir and roles being directly responsible is a concern.
16:40:26 <SusiPallero> garcialo: We could soften this up. Shadi agrees.
16:40:54 <mgifford> Agreed on nixing the Fortune 500 reference.
16:41:20 <SusiPallero> shadi: Feels like Fortune 500 is too north american centric. garcialo and susi agrees.
16:42:29 <SusiPallero> I think this is just examples and we could leave it as they are ase it is just a draft for now
16:43:00 <SusiPallero> Fortune 500 reference eliminated
16:43:52 <Azlan> I'm ok to go with it for now. I expect it will be further debated in the future.
16:44:16 <SusiPallero> shadi: asks to vote about going with the examples as they are or remove the examples or the entire section.
16:44:22 <SusiPallero> +1 to Azlan
16:44:51 <SusiPallero> garcialo: votes option 2
16:45:19 <SusiPallero> mgifford: we are simply giving examples so it is ok to be more general about it
16:45:45 <Azlan> q+
16:45:48 <SusiPallero> shadi: clarifies nothing will be lost. We are just deciding what goes to the Draft right now.
16:46:20 <SusiPallero> q?
16:47:02 <Jason_K> ack Jason_K
16:47:06 <mgifford> Thanks for the clarification Shadi.
16:47:09 <shadi> ack Azlan
16:47:11 <SusiPallero> shadi: If we get the approval from AGWG we will continue to refine the document
16:48:25 <SusiPallero> Azlan: We might not reach a consesus on wording but we can pick it up in the future. Moving forward putting a comment that we don't have agreement within the subgroup.
16:48:34 <Jason_K> +1 to Azlans approach
16:48:37 <SusiPallero> +1 to Azlan
16:48:55 <SusiPallero> shadi: suggests to even copy the discussion in the comments there
16:49:14 <SusiPallero> garcialo: agrees with the approach but not adding the discussion on comments
16:50:04 <SusiPallero> shadi: About section Consideration X: Susi added notes about Maturity Model Support Dimension. Vote if it is going to be added or should we discuss it in the future.
16:50:09 <SusiPallero> q+
16:50:41 <Cyborg> q+
16:51:14 <garcialo> SusiPallero: I added this section just in case any of those point would make a good example or something we should add. I don't thinkwe need to consider it right now for the draft. It could be for the future.
16:51:40 <SusiPallero> q?
16:51:42 <shadi> ack SusiPallero
16:51:46 <shadi> ack Cyborg
16:52:34 <SusiPallero> Cyborg: Maybe adding that there is work happening in Maturity Model TF about this topic. Not necessarily the text.
16:54:27 <SusiPallero> shadi: goes through the previous headings and says this is going to be part of the draft presented to the WG
16:55:06 <SusiPallero> q+
16:55:43 <SusiPallero> shadi: About slides: The only new part is about the Outcomes adding that this documents needs more work
16:56:01 <shadi> ack SusiPallero
16:56:55 <Cyborg> link to slide deck please
16:57:07 <garcialo> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1aKV1IvHoqlUkJekki2STa6CrS9jiTJfy0bHukbMMXYc/edit#slide=id.g25ae623ede5_0_25
16:57:47 <SusiPallero> Jason_K: Adding to Outcomes one slide with an example
16:58:09 <SusiPallero> shadi: clarifies he will be switching over to the document during the presentation
16:58:39 <SusiPallero> shadi: if there are comments about working add it as comments
16:59:07 <SusiPallero> shadi: question to the group what do we think about this work continuing
16:59:14 <Azlan> q+
16:59:17 <SusiPallero> q+
16:59:19 <Cyborg> +1 to continue
16:59:32 <laura> +1 to continue
16:59:36 <shadi> ack Azlan
16:59:40 <mgifford> I feel like this is valuable work. Definitely see value in continuing it. Good example policies is quite useful to organizations.
16:59:57 <garcialo> +1 worth continuing
17:00:01 <SusiPallero> Azlan: there is value in what we are doing, votes yes
17:00:34 <Jason_K> +1 worth doing
17:00:38 <Cyborg> q+
17:00:41 <garcialo> SusiPallero: 100% this is really valuagle. I had a lot of people asking about policy the last 2.5 years. Especially for Latin America. We lack a lot of experience in accesibility and it could be very useful.
17:01:07 <SusiPallero> shadi: Invites the group to the presentation tomorrow
17:01:14 <Cyborg> my comment is just +1 to considering this in regional and international contexts in a next iteration -- not sure if directly next or in future.  but it is important to consider the international variation of need.
17:01:32 <SusiPallero> +1 to Cyborg
17:01:58 <SusiPallero> shadi: Thanks to everyone that was part of the group
17:02:07 <laura> Thanks everyone.
17:04:09 <shadi> zakim, end meeting
17:04:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shadi, Azlan, Jason_K, Laura_Carlson, Cyborg, SusiPallero, garcialo
17:04:11 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:04:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/24-wcag3-policy-minutes.html Zakim
17:04:19 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, shadi; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:28:29 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
17:28:29 <RRSAgent> I see no action items