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15:50:26 <shadi> meeting: Guidance for Policy Makers Subgroup
15:50:31 <shadi> chair: Shadi
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15:59:36 <shadi> regrets: Cybelle, Bruce
15:59:40 <shadi> present+
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16:06:24 <laura> scribe: Laura
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16:06:48 <shadi> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B-qfTrPxnhIa0AxhPEF6SIDTLAGnneoauBRHGzS5q7U/edit#
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16:07:29 <laura> Shadi: We are in Scratchpad
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16:07:54 <SusiPallero> Present+
16:08:05 <laura> ... Drafted the absrtract and introduction based on comments.
16:08:08 <mgifford2> Present+
16:08:29 <laura> ... started to draft one of the considerations.
16:08:41 <laura> ... comments on the one Mike drafted.
16:09:45 <laura> ... didn't describe the scope of the work.
16:10:53 <laura> ... We can work on background section first.
16:11:36 <mgifford2> finished reading.
16:11:40 <wendyreid> +1
16:11:41 <kirkwood> finished
16:11:47 <Jason_K> +1
16:12:00 <laura> Laura +1
16:13:13 <laura> Shadi: any thoughts?
16:13:24 <Jason_K> q+
16:14:04 <laura> John: little difficult time with the terminology.
16:15:13 <laura> ... policies are an outline of principles to follow.
16:15:36 <laura> ... maybe conflating the terms?
16:16:11 <laura> Shadi: First sentence throuing you off?
16:16:17 <laura> john: yes.
16:17:36 <laura> ... ensuring that we are outlining the principles rather than procedures.
16:17:53 <mgifford2> q+
16:18:07 <shadi> ack Jason_K
16:18:10 <laura> Jason: maybe add word on-going.
16:18:35 <kirkwood> +1 to M Gifford
16:18:39 <kirkwood> yes
16:18:56 <shadi> ack mgifford
16:19:00 <laura> Mike: Starting with WCAG may be a wrong start not the goal.
16:19:20 <laura> Shadi: please continue reading.
16:21:16 <wendyreid> done
16:21:23 <wendyreid> q+
16:22:11 <Jason_K> done
16:22:29 <laura> Laura: done
16:23:23 <kirkwood> done
16:24:53 <mgifford2> done
16:25:59 <shadi> ack wendyreid
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16:27:02 <laura> Wendy: Understand the terminology. Need to make clear WCAG is one part of a prrogram. This doc is everrything outsite of WCAG.
16:27:36 <laura> ... WCAG is the testable part but there is more.
16:28:52 <laura> Shadi: yes, this is not general guidance. Need to consider other parts of a11y.
16:30:27 <laura> Shadi: is it a wording issue Mike orr do we have a disconnect?
16:30:39 <laura> Mike: wording issue.
16:31:45 <laura> Shadi: We are not developing policies. But if you arre adpoting WCAG, here are some considerations.
16:32:03 <laura> ... example considerations for bugs.
16:32:49 <laura> mike: understood but goal is not WCAG. Happy to hear other  thoughts.
16:34:28 <laura> John: Thinking about framing. Previoulsy stated in docs as: Policy is compliant with WCAG, laws  regs, etc.
16:34:40 <laura> ... It has multiple layers.
16:35:24 <laura> Shadi: EU has WCAG and fundamental alterations.
16:35:46 <laura> ... some judgement is involved.
16:36:02 <kirkwood> often framed: The policy is Compliance with WCAG Accessibility Requirements. For example– [company] will comply with all applicable Federal, state and local accessibility laws, statutes, regulations, and other digital accessibility requirements at a minimum WCAG 2.0 AA..
16:36:45 <laura> Luis: Don't see what the concern is.
16:37:59 <laura> ... We are referencing WCAG. But this is beyond. Maybe say refer instead of reference.
16:38:34 <laura> Shadi: yes, these go beyond WCAG.
16:39:15 <laura> luis: it is suppliemtal to WCAG.
16:39:49 <laura> s/suppliemtal/supplemental/
16:40:33 <laura> Shadi: are the beinging sentences clear enough?
16:41:00 <laura> Wendy: maybe add a bit more clarity.
16:41:17 <laura> ... Some things go beond WCAG.
16:41:33 <laura> s/beond/beyond/
16:42:20 <laura> s/beinging/beginning/
16:42:55 <laura> Shadi: do we need to broden the scope?
16:43:19 <laura> Luis: Which part is expanding the scope?
16:43:39 <kirkwood> q
16:43:44 <kirkwood> q+
16:43:45 <laura> Shadi: Maybe we are saying the same thing.
16:45:06 <laura> Mike: State clearly that this is about inclusive services. Make it about some thing that people can get excited about. Most people don't get excited about WCAG.
16:45:21 <shadi> ack kirkwood
16:46:04 <laura> John: One wording change in first sentence. Maybe use the work "include".
16:46:24 <mgifford2> +1 to include
16:46:26 <laura> s/the work/the word/
16:46:55 <laura> Shadi: could mean copy/paste.
16:47:08 <laura> ... I will work on that.
16:48:02 <laura> Shadi: Going on to Bugs section.
16:48:14 <laura> Luis: I think it is good.
16:48:59 <laura> Wendy: concept of scope of responsibility could go here?
16:49:20 <mgifford2> q+
16:49:28 <Jason_K> q+
16:49:46 <laura> Shadi: Type of content could fit into a number of sections.
16:50:17 <laura> ... my hope is to get the framing for this doc
16:51:04 <laura> ... maybe have 2 or three considerations for examples for the AG.
16:52:23 <shadi> ack mgifford
16:52:27 <laura> ... lots more work to do on the but won't get them all done in our timefame.
16:53:05 <laura> mike: if you can't have 0 bugs demonstrate progrress over perfection.
16:53:35 <laura> s/progrress/progress/
16:53:48 <shadi> ack Jason_K
16:54:41 <laura> jason: this is a good format. What do we want this doc to be for organizations? What is the end product?
16:54:50 <mgifford2> I have to jump off to prepare for a 1pm meeting. Sorry. Nice to see this coming along.
16:55:23 <laura> Shadi: s/sumpmentarty/supplementary/
16:56:11 <laura> Shadi: Could be a supplementary doc. There are many types of W#C docs it could be.
16:56:29 <laura> Jason: format we have here is good.
16:57:24 <laura> Shadi: what is the end prroduct is a good question but be need morre content.
16:58:45 <laura> John: someone from legal is usally at the table. Maybe we are missing something here?
16:59:05 <laura> s/usally/usually/
16:59:32 <garcialo> present+
17:00:31 <laura> ... there is a difference between a specification  and a policy.
17:00:56 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
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17:05:20 <shadi> zakim, end meeting
17:05:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shadi, Laura_Carlson, wendyreid, Jason_K, kirkwood, SusiPallero, mgifford, garcialo
17:05:22 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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17:05:29 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, shadi; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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