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12:00:15 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:00:21 <kaz> chair: McCool/Sebastian
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12:00:56 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato
12:02:37 <kaz> present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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12:03:03 <kaz> ack k
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12:04:21 <sebastian> brb
12:04:34 <kaz> s/brb//
12:04:49 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Koster
12:04:55 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:04:55 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Michael_Koster
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12:07:10 <kaz> present+ Daniel_Peintner, Kunihiko_Toumura
12:07:21 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:07:26 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:07:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:07:34 <luca_barbato> scribenick: luca_barbato
12:08:08 <luca_barbato> topic: Minutes
12:08:35 <luca_barbato> mm: as announced by email, I'd publish them if no objections
12:08:53 <luca_barbato> <no objections>
12:08:55 <kaz> i|as ann|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html June-28|
12:09:07 <luca_barbato> topic: Quick Updates
12:09:10 <luca_barbato> <none>
12:09:29 <luca_barbato> topic: Upcoming events
12:10:15 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations
12:10:37 <luca_barbato> mm: We need to cancel some meetings on July 10 and 17 due overlaps
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12:12:25 <kaz> q+
12:14:18 <luca_barbato> topic: Charter review status
12:14:30 <luca_barbato> mm: Let's discuss it when the review is finished
12:14:57 <luca_barbato> mm: Given the timing we cannot start the new charter before September
12:16:20 <kaz> i/Let's/kaz: the procedure is (1) Strategy Team review (which is done), (2) TiLT Team (which is ongoing) and then (3) AC review (to be done; requires one month review)|
12:16:27 <kaz> s/)|/)/
12:16:55 <luca_barbato> mm: I prepared the PR to update the charter draft
12:17:08 <luca_barbato> mm: I changed the start date to September 1st
12:17:09 <kaz> i|I pre|kaz: we need 1.5 months or more, so I'm asking 2-month extension to the TiLT Team.|
12:17:13 <kaz> q+
12:17:57 <luca_barbato> mm: All the deadline for the deliverable did not change
12:18:24 <luca_barbato> kaz: We need more some more months to finalise the planning
12:18:42 <kaz> s/more some/some/
12:18:46 <luca_barbato> kaz: so we can start the standardization work by September
12:18:53 <luca_barbato> mm: Any objections to land the PR?
12:19:04 <McCool> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/117
12:19:12 <luca_barbato> <no objections>
12:19:39 <kaz> s/so we can/so we should use the remaining 1.5 months for the planning discussion so that we can/
12:19:44 <McCool> proposal: merge https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/117 which updates the end date of the new charter to Sept 1 and deletes the link to the detailed planning document.
12:19:47 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:19:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:20:11 <McCool> resolution: merge https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/117 which updates the end date of the new charter to Sept 1 and deletes the link to the detailed planning document.
12:20:21 <luca_barbato> <consensus on merging>
12:20:34 <luca_barbato> topic: TPAC Planning
12:20:51 <Ege> q+
12:20:53 <kaz> q+
12:20:59 <kaz> q- later
12:21:15 <sebastian> q+
12:22:06 <luca_barbato> ege: There is to be interest to discuss with the JSON-LD team to have a join session
12:22:16 <luca_barbato> ... even more with the relationship with json-schema
12:22:20 <kaz> s/join /joint /
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12:23:09 <kaz> ack e
12:23:39 <luca_barbato> mm: There are already joint-session scheduled for WoT + JSON-LD
12:23:52 <luca_barbato> ege: The breakout session involve more groups
12:24:46 <luca_barbato> kaz: We should clarify what to discuss on the breakout session and the joint session
12:25:41 <McCool> q+
12:25:45 <McCool> ack k
12:26:12 <luca_barbato> ege: we might need a new standard thus why the breakout session is needed
12:26:36 <kaz> ack k
12:27:12 <luca_barbato> seb: I support having this discussion on the breakout session
12:27:28 <kaz> q?
12:27:31 <kaz> q+
12:27:36 <kaz> ack s
12:27:41 <sebastian> ack s
12:28:08 <luca_barbato> mm: Let's put the details in the wiki and discuss the next time
12:28:20 <kaz> ack m
12:28:24 <kaz> ack k
12:28:27 <luca_barbato> topic: Publication
12:28:49 <luca_barbato> mm: What's the status kaz
12:29:23 <luca_barbato> kaz: I contacted the teams in charge, we should be able to publish them by tomorrow if there aren't problems, or next week otherwise
12:29:39 <kaz> s/I conta/I've conta/
12:29:48 <kaz> s/teams/Webmaster/
12:30:06 <kaz> s/next week/next Tuesday/
12:30:24 <sebastian> q+
12:30:31 <luca_barbato> topic: Press Releases
12:31:03 <sebastian> ack s
12:31:04 <luca_barbato> mm: Press release is not an automatic process and we need to provide information and justify the press release
12:31:36 <luca_barbato> mm: We can start collecting proposals and have a draft narrative
12:31:57 <sebastian> q+
12:32:08 <kaz> q+
12:32:11 <kaz> ack s
12:32:21 <luca_barbato> seb: would be nice to have press release
12:32:25 <luca_barbato> q+
12:32:38 <luca_barbato> .. since it has more resonance
12:33:53 <luca_barbato> kaz: I agree, we need a proper narrative
12:33:55 <McCool> q+
12:34:04 <luca_barbato> q-
12:34:11 <sebastian> q+
12:34:12 <kaz> ack k
12:34:13 <McCool> ack k
12:34:38 <luca_barbato> mm: I'll prepare a draft PR
12:34:53 <kaz> ack m
12:35:05 <luca_barbato> mm: Some example applications would be nice to put in there
12:35:07 <kaz> ack s
12:35:12 <kaz> q+
12:35:22 <luca_barbato> seb: The marketing team should have good input
12:35:44 <luca_barbato> mm: Should the Marketing TF start drafting?
12:36:46 <luca_barbato> kaz: Would be good to have a sale speech to our intended audence, so not just talking about new features but a full story
12:36:48 <kaz> ack k
12:37:02 <luca_barbato> mm: Let's discuss on the Marketing call
12:37:09 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/425
12:37:15 <luca_barbato> topic: Meetups
12:37:26 <luca_barbato> mm: do we have meetups planned?
12:37:27 <Ege> q+
12:37:45 <kaz> q+
12:37:47 <kaz> ack e
12:37:54 <luca_barbato> ege: Mostly on talking stage
12:38:21 <luca_barbato> ... but end of July
12:39:16 <luca_barbato> kaz: JP CG is planning to have an event on Security in a few months and more regular smaller meetings later
12:40:08 <luca_barbato> q+
12:40:17 <kaz> q-
12:40:41 <kaz> s/later/in parallel/
12:41:01 <luca_barbato> topic: TF Reports
12:41:04 <Ege> q+
12:41:12 <kaz> ack lu
12:41:34 <luca_barbato> lb: I have some fixes pending for TD 1.1, but might be a general topic on how to fix those issues
12:41:50 <kaz> q+
12:41:52 <kaz> ack e
12:42:02 <luca_barbato> ege: Michael could you join the meeting?
12:42:19 <luca_barbato> mm: Cannot today but if there are issues I can reply offline
12:42:49 <luca_barbato> kaz: Michael Koster may help as well
12:43:23 <luca_barbato> mm: This meeting can be considered close and we swich chairs and meeting
12:44:20 <kaz> topic: Planning
12:44:55 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:44:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:45:13 <kaz> i/topic: Minutes/topic: Main call/
12:45:21 <kaz> s/topic: Minutes/subtopic: Minutes/
12:45:27 <sebastian> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_Next_Charter_Detailed_Planning#Day_5:_July_5.2C_2023
12:45:36 <kaz> s/topic: Quick Updates/subtopic: Quick updates/
12:45:49 <kaz> s/topic: Upcoming events/subtopic: Upcoming events/
12:45:56 <kaz> q+
12:46:21 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Minutes
12:46:30 <kaz> ack k
12:47:15 <kaz> s/topic: Charter review status/subtopic: Charter review status/
12:47:37 <kaz> s/topic: TPAC Planning/subtopic: TPAC Planning/
12:47:52 <kaz> s/topic: Publication/subtopic: Publication/
12:48:03 <kaz> s/topic: Pres Releases/subtopic: Press releases/
12:48:04 <luca_barbato> seb: Is the group fine with the past minutes?
12:48:16 <kaz> s/topic: Meetups/subtopic: Meetups/
12:48:32 <kaz> s/topic: TF Reports/subtopic: TF reports/
12:48:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:48:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:48:59 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/23-wot-minutes.html
12:49:10 <luca_barbato> <nobody against>
12:49:15 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/20-wot-minutes.html
12:49:15 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/21-wot-minutes.html
12:49:15 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/22-wot-minutes.html
12:49:15 <kaz> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/23-wot-minutes.html
12:50:11 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Pending issues and pr
12:51:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Detailed+Work+Items%22 remaining PRs on wot repository
12:52:26 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pulls?q=is%3Apr+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Detailed+Work+Items%22
12:53:19 <luca_barbato> seb: we have two options: #92 and #93, they depends on a decisions on what to do with Profile
12:53:34 <Ege> q+
12:53:37 <McCool> q+
12:53:38 <mjk> q?
12:54:02 <luca_barbato> ege: if we take Option 1, it first involves putting more defaults in the Protocol bindings
12:54:31 <kaz> q+
12:54:34 <kaz> ack e
12:54:52 <luca_barbato> ege: I find Option 1 more realistic since we do not have lots of workforce on Profile
12:55:07 <luca_barbato> mm: We can consider Option2 later
12:55:11 <Ege> @benfrancis can you join the call?
12:55:49 <kaz> ack m
12:55:50 <kaz> q?
12:56:14 <luca_barbato> kaz: I'm ok with Option 1 as starting point
12:56:29 <luca_barbato> .. I suggest to move the two PR to the bindings repository
12:56:43 <luca_barbato> .. this is part of the bigger WoT specification refactoring
12:57:02 <luca_barbato> ... based on the new industry use-cases
12:57:23 <luca_barbato> .. focusing on making the specification more readable
12:57:58 <McCool> q+
12:59:04 <luca_barbato> kaz: this discussion should be handled in the next charter technical discussion
12:59:19 <luca_barbato> lb: +1
12:59:45 <McCool> ack k
12:59:46 <luca_barbato> mm: We can ask Ben to move the two options in the detailed document as discussion items for later
12:59:47 <McCool> ack m
13:00:31 <kaz> s/in the/during the/
13:00:35 <luca_barbato> q+
13:01:18 <kaz> s/.. I suggest/... but I'd suggest/
13:01:35 <luca_barbato> q-
13:02:26 <Mizushima> +1 kaz
13:03:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:04:02 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Planning PR
13:04:04 <McCool> q+
13:04:35 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1093
13:05:24 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1093|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1093 PR 1093 - Policy Proposal Process|
13:06:06 <luca_barbato> mm: Regarding Chair policy, the PR clarifies what Attending can mean
13:07:28 <luca_barbato> .. Regarding policy adoption, I proposed some clarification on Working Days, and what's the span of a day
13:07:53 <luca_barbato> .. also added something about archiving the rejected proposals
13:09:15 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/policy-process-1/policies/README.md policies/README.md
13:09:54 <luca_barbato> seb: Should be also a reason provided by a policy is rejected
13:09:56 <luca_barbato> q+
13:10:11 <kaz> i|Should|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/policy-process-1/proposals/policies/policy-adoption.md proposals/policies/policy-adoption.md|
13:10:23 <luca_barbato> mm: Please add a suggestion to the PR about it
13:10:57 <kaz> q+
13:11:00 <kaz> ack m
13:12:05 <kaz> ack lu
13:15:07 <kaz> ack
13:15:09 <luca_barbato> kaz: we can use this PR as initial so it should land as draft
13:15:11 <kaz> s/ack//
13:15:12 <kaz> ack k
13:16:50 <luca_barbato> <small changes to the PR according to the feedback>
13:18:33 <mjk> q?
13:19:02 <kaz> q+
13:19:08 <Ege> q+
13:20:45 <luca_barbato> kaz: regarding the chair decision part, we should have more discussion
13:21:20 <luca_barbato> .. w3c as whole is working on consensus, I'd avoid majority vote
13:21:50 <luca_barbato> mm: It is a last ditch fallback, in case we cannot have consensus
13:22:06 <luca_barbato> mm: Let's mark also that section as draft
13:22:22 <kaz> ack k
13:22:24 <McCool> q?
13:23:22 <luca_barbato> ege: Are the chair minutes public?
13:23:43 <luca_barbato> mm: Some minutes should not be public since some topics are reserved, but the outcome should be public
13:25:22 <luca_barbato> seb: if there are no objections I'd land the PR as template, we'll call for a resolution once the document is ready
13:25:22 <Ege> brb
13:25:49 <luca_barbato> <no objections, merged>
13:26:06 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1095
13:26:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:26:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:26:30 <luca_barbato> seb: this is another template
13:26:52 <luca_barbato> .. for Liasons/Relationship with other organizations
13:27:26 <kaz> s/topic: Press Releases/subtopic: Press releases/
13:27:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:27:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:28:03 <luca_barbato> seb: Are there any comments about it?
13:28:05 <kaz> q+
13:28:08 <kaz> ack e
13:28:20 <Ege> q+
13:29:08 <kaz> ack k
13:29:39 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1095|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1095 PR 1095 - Liaison Documentation Template|
13:30:00 <kaz> q+
13:30:15 <Mizushima> q+
13:31:09 <luca_barbato> ege: Might be good to name it as template.md
13:31:25 <kaz> ack e
13:31:33 <luca_barbato> mm: There is a directory per liason, this file is just for the README.md
13:32:37 <kaz> ack k
13:33:47 <McCool> q+
13:34:09 <kaz> q+
13:34:12 <kaz> ack mi
13:34:14 <kaz> ack m
13:34:19 <luca_barbato> miz: Who proposes the liason ?
13:35:18 <kaz> ack k
13:36:35 <kaz> q?
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13:38:28 <luca_barbato> seb: is anyone against it?
13:38:35 <luca_barbato> <nobody, merged>
13:39:08 <sebastian> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1096/
13:39:34 <luca_barbato> mm: This PR may wait since it is not complete
13:40:16 <kaz> s/subtopic: Planning PR/subtopic: Policy proposal/
13:40:57 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1095|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1095 PR 1095 - Liaison Documentation Template|
13:41:24 <kaz> i|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1095|subtopic: Liaison proposal|
13:41:55 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1096/|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1096/ PR 1096 - Architecture Planning|
13:42:14 <kaz> i|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1096/|subtopic: Architecture planning|
13:42:22 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:42:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:42:59 <Ege> q+
13:43:47 <kaz> ack e
13:43:53 <kaz> s/brb//
13:44:48 <McCool> q+
13:45:49 <kaz> ack mc
13:47:09 <Ege> q+
13:47:19 <kaz> ack e
13:47:34 <kaz> q+
13:48:58 <luca_barbato> kaz: for the next charter period we should consider industry usecase/needs and use the remaning time for the current charter to plan how to interact with them.
13:50:04 <kaz> ack k
13:51:06 <luca_barbato> seb: Let's merge the PR as draft as we did for the other PRs.
13:54:08 <Ege> q+
13:56:01 <luca_barbato> q+
13:56:05 <mjk> q?
13:58:06 <kaz> q+
13:58:09 <kaz> ack e
13:59:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:59:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:59:09 <kaz> ack lu
14:03:59 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
14:04:56 <kaz> kaz: I'm OK to merge this PR as well (as an initial proposal) with the title of "DRAFT", and we need to continue detailed discussion during the TF calls based on concrete use cases and requirements.
14:04:59 <kaz> [adjourned]
14:05:03 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:05:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-wot-minutes.html kaz
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