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12:58:37 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina_
12:58:39 <janina_> agenda?
12:58:50 <janina_> Meeting APA Weekly Teleconference
12:58:58 <janina_> Date: 05 Jul 2023
12:59:02 <janina_> Chair:  Janina
12:59:02 <janina_> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:59:02 <janina_> agenda+ Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results
12:59:05 <janina_> agenda+ TPAC 2023 Planning - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023
12:59:07 <janina_> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
12:59:10 <janina_> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
12:59:13 <janina_> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
12:59:16 <janina_> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
12:59:18 <janina_> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
12:59:21 <janina_> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
12:59:23 <janina_> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:59:26 <janina_> agenda+ Other Business
12:59:28 <janina_> agenda+ be done
13:00:48 <janina_>  /join #rqtf
13:00:53 <janina_> present+
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14:02:30 <Fredrik> present+
14:02:30 <janina_> present+
14:02:37 <PaulG> present+
14:02:41 <matatk> present+
14:03:54 <matatk> scribe: matatk
14:03:58 <matatk> zakim, next itme
14:03:58 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', matatk
14:04:00 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:04:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina_]
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14:04:49 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:04:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
14:04:50 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:04:51 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:04:51 <Zakim> 2. Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results [from janina_]
14:04:51 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Charter Update https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/results -- taken up [from janina_]
14:04:55 <niklasegger> present+
14:06:20 <matatk> janina_: We're working on ensuring that the comment we received was addressed properly.
14:07:29 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:07:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- TPAC 2023 Planning - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023 -- taken up [from janina_]
14:08:03 <matatk> janina_: Scheduling work continues
14:12:09 <matatk> matatk: We'd like to encourage everyone (and will support you) in shouting about your work, via breakouts etc. We have a great opportunity to get more mindshare on our work, and maybe new recruits!
14:12:19 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:12:19 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina_]
14:12:40 <matatk> subtopic: Web Editing Working Group Rechartering
14:12:40 <matatk> - charter: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/417
14:12:42 <matatk> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/417
14:12:57 <matatk> Roy: They have added APA to coordinate WG, and I think you may have more thoughts on this online editing technologies.
14:15:50 <matatk> janina_: In previous work, we met in Lyon and had a meeting of the minds. We covered issues around how things are exposed in the accessibility tree; need to follow up on that.
14:16:11 <matatk> ... Looks like they're planning additional work, which may need co-ordination with ARIA, RQTF, ...
14:17:16 <matatk> ... CTAUR can provide good input, e.g. for APIs that we'd like to have in future.
14:17:47 <matatk> ... We want to make sure this group is aware of CTAUR.
14:18:24 <matatk> ... Text attributes (e.g. bold, italic, ...) needs to be surfaced too. Captured in RQTF minutes (link pending).
14:18:36 <matatk> ... Want to make sure we can interact with this group, but not sure what the next step is.
14:19:34 <matatk> PaulG: What's the scope of their work? How does this relate to contenteditable?
14:19:58 <matatk> janina_: IIRC our issues were more on UA/AT implementation rather than spec in the past. Want to find good ways of doing these things.
14:20:58 <matatk> janina_: Think we want to ask for liaison, as there's a lot we want to help them co-ordinate.
14:21:31 <matatk> matatk: I interfaced with some of the stuff mentioned here when working on prototype tools for Adapt TF; interesting to see they may get updates.
14:22:15 <matatk> matatk: Shall we ask them for info (don't think we have anyone we can send to them regularly).
14:22:31 <matatk> janina_: Agree, we want to hear from them, what they're working on, and want to co-ordinate. And show them things like CTAUR.
14:24:01 <matatk> Fredrik: Is there some overlap between what RQTF and Web edits are doing, so they should sit in on RQTF rather than us going to them?
14:24:16 <matatk> janina_: We should also point them to Adapt, and let them know about CTAUR.
14:24:54 <matatk> ... With recent moves to web-based office, away from native apps, this makes CTAUR more important. Plus RQTF is very active.
14:26:32 <matatk> matatk: So we point them to CTAUR and maybe something in Adapt (but not sure which) on the GitHub issue, and let them know we'll ask for a meeting at TPC there, too?
14:26:47 <matatk> janina_: Yes, not sure what we can point to in Adapt, but we need to inform them of the things we're doing generally.
14:27:51 <matatk> janina_: We need an understanding of their scope and deliverables.
14:28:41 <matatk> agenda?
14:28:55 <matatk> zakim, drop item 4
14:28:55 <Zakim> agendum 4, New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22, dropped
14:28:57 <matatk> zakim, drop item 5
14:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 5, A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review, dropped
14:28:58 <matatk> zakim, drop item 6
14:28:58 <Zakim> agendum 6, Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues, dropped
14:29:03 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:29:03 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina_]
14:29:13 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:29:13 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:29:14 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:29:14 <Zakim> 8. CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from janina_]
14:29:15 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:29:15 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina_]
14:29:55 <matatk> PaulG: Lots of discussions on low-level APIs last week; animations etc. Nothing specific for us. This week was cancelled due to the holiday.
14:30:00 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:30:00 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:30:01 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:30:01 <Zakim> 9. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina_]
14:30:03 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:30:03 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina_]
14:34:33 <matatk> Your assigned issues in GitHub: https://github.com/issues/assigned
14:35:54 <matatk> subtopic: Allow modal dialogs to trap focus
14:36:10 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/138
14:36:32 <matatk> Comment from Niklas: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-review/issues/138#issuecomment-1621821260
14:41:22 <matatk> matatk: Think we all agree that whatever we do (with a leaning to allowing access to the URL bar) it should be consistent across <dialog> element and APG.
14:41:45 <matatk> PaulG: This is important in a kiosk context.
14:41:47 <janina_> +1 to sync APG
14:42:22 <matatk> niklasegger: There will always be two groups, some prefer accessing it and some not, but the key is communicating what we decide on, and that it's normal and useful behavior.
14:43:50 <matatk> PaulG: In a kiosk, if you need to escape the modal, the browser is limited, so they don't have standard keyboard shortcuts, maybe not Escape, so you need a natural escape mechanism (i.e. moving to address bar).
14:45:09 <matatk> matatk: Sounds like we want to comment that <dialog> element is already behaving as we think it should, and we ought to request APG to synch up with it.
14:45:17 <matatk> janina_: Everyone seems to agree; may need a CfC.
14:47:43 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:47:43 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina_]
14:47:59 <matatk> subtopic: Adapt
14:48:25 <matatk> janina_: We didn't meet this week, but are eager to show and tell at TPAC. With authoring tool prototypes and maybe hand-outs regarding using different symbol sets. Other things on the drawing board.
14:48:30 <matatk> subtopic: Maturity Model
14:48:41 <matatk> janina_: Close to an updated WD. There will be one before TPAC.
14:48:45 <matatk> subtopic: RQTF
14:49:06 <matatk> janina_: Looking forward to starting MAUR 2.0. Joining MEIG call next Tuesday.
14:49:15 <matatk> ... Continuing work on CTUAR too.
14:49:44 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:49:44 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina_]
14:50:02 <matatk> zakim, close this item
14:50:02 <Zakim> agendum 11 closed
14:50:03 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
14:50:03 <Zakim> 12. be done [from janina_]
14:50:32 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:50:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:51:12 <matatk> regrets+ Gottfried
14:52:05 <matatk> Meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
14:52:07 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:52:17 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:52:17 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- be done -- taken up [from janina_]
14:52:19 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:52:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:52:48 <matatk> zakim, end meeting
14:52:48 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina_, Fredrik, PaulG, matatk, niklasegger
14:52:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:52:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/05-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:52:56 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, matatk; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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14:53:04 <matatk> rrsagent, bye
14:53:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items