IRC log of wot-discovery on 2023-07-03
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- 14:07:20 [kaz]
- meeting: WoT Discovery
- 14:07:24 [kaz]
- topic: minutes
- 14:07:34 [acimmino]
- mccool: there is a typo with extra quotes
- 14:07:35 [kaz]
- -> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/26-wot-discovery-minutes.html June-26
- 14:08:04 [acimmino]
- mccool: one question here, part of mention about geolocation is missing
- 14:08:43 [McCool_]
- change "that's possible" to "geolocation has two parts, metadata and discovery; the second depends on the first"
- 14:09:52 [acimmino]
- the typo is with the sentence: around "break "improvements"
- 14:10:18 [acimmino]
- that should be "break 'improvements'"
- 14:10:39 [acimmino]
- minutes are published since there is no objection
- 14:10:50 [acimmino]
- Topic: detailed planning
- 14:11:03 [kaz]
- i/minutes/(fixed)/
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- rrsagent, make log public
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:11:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:11:52 [McCool_]
- https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094
- 14:12:00 [acimmino]
- mccool: the summary is putting planning documents under discovery-planning branch
- 14:12:00 [kaz]
- present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Andrea_Cimmino, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Luca_Barbato
- 14:12:00 [kaz]
- chair: McCool
- 14:12:00 [luca_barbato]
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- 14:12:25 [acimmino]
- ...in last meetings the working items were prioritized
- 14:12:43 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:12:44 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:13:14 [kaz]
- i/there is a typo/scribenick: acimmino/
- 14:13:15 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:13:17 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:16:57 [kaz]
- s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094 wot PR 1094 - Discovery Planning|
- 14:17:08 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:17:10 [acimmino]
- mccool: adds some points under additional introductions (e.g. discovery in MQTT)
- 14:18:31 [acimmino]
- mccool: high priority are things that provide us major functionalities, middle are improvements but are not pillar functionalities, low is questionable/tentative things
- 14:18:43 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
- 14:18:45 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:19:22 [acimmino]
- mccool: the middle priority is divided into direct and dependency
- 14:19:30 [acimmino]
- kaz: the categorization is nice
- 14:19:48 [kaz]
- i|the summary is putting|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/discovery-planning/planning/Discovery/work-items.md proposed work-items.md within the PR|
- 14:19:51 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:19:59 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:20:15 [acimmino]
- ..but we need to consider industry adoption (not sure about this sentence, I did not have time to type and listen)
- 14:20:51 [acimmino]
- mccool: we should look for use cases that want to adopt WoT directly for this
- 14:21:13 [kaz]
- s/..but we need to consider industry adoption (not sure about this sentence, I did not have time to type and listen)/... but we need to think about concrete use cases for variable industry adaptions./
- 14:21:23 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
- 14:21:36 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:21:47 [acimmino]
- mccool: we could focus on things that are just wot and remove middle having only two categories instead of three
- 14:22:19 [acimmino]
- kaz: we need also to consider existing discovery mechanisms in IoT (that is open question)
- 14:23:08 [luca_barbato]
- q+
- 14:23:22 [acimmino]
- mccool captures this comment under "Open Questions"
- 14:24:16 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:24:17 [acimmino]
- kaz: we should confirm and validate the compatibility with these mechanisms in WoT
- 14:25:06 [kaz]
- q?
- 14:26:11 [acimmino]
- luca_barbato: onboarding should not be discussed here
- 14:26:20 [acimmino]
- ...that's part of security
- 14:28:17 [acimmino]
- luca_barbato: there are two components one is in charge of discovery items and another mapping the device to a description
- 14:29:35 [acimmino]
- mccool: this extends the scope of discovery, the discovery is more restricted. We discovery things that are registered and there is no generation of TDs, these are provided.
- 14:30:00 [acimmino]
- mccool adds an item explaining this topic under the Open Questions
- 14:30:03 [acimmino]
- +q
- 14:31:45 [kaz]
- ack lu
- 14:31:56 [acimmino]
- mccool: moving to geolocation, maybe what is a bit confusing is that geolocation can be divided into two items: the meta-data part and the discovery using that meta-data
- 14:36:19 [acimmino]
- mccool fixes the work items in the document putting moving the bullets under their correct section
- 14:38:30 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:39:45 [acimmino]
- mccool: any idea on how to improve the organisation of this section?
- 14:40:03 [acimmino]
- kaz: we could use the repository to discuss this in the initial state
- 14:40:03 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:41:19 [acimmino]
- mccool: yes, but if we put this in the repo this is just an internal discussion but in this way is a group decision
- 14:42:10 [ktoumura]
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- 14:44:02 [luca_barbato]
- q+
- 14:44:23 [kaz]
- s/the repository/the wot-discovery repository/
- 14:44:40 [kaz]
- s/we could/I'm OK with this discussion itself, but we could/
- 14:45:19 [kaz]
- s/in the initial state/around the initial phase of the Discovery TF's work for the next Charter, Couldn't we?/
- 14:46:53 [kaz]
- s/if we put this in the repo this is just an internal discussion but in this way is a group decision/the planning discussion should be managed based on the group-wide decision. So I proposed this method during the planning meeting last week and it was approved. Also moving the information from now would be confusing./
- 14:51:18 [McCool_]
- q?
- 14:51:22 [McCool_]
- ack a
- 14:51:24 [McCool_]
- ack l
- 14:51:40 [kaz]
- q+
- 14:53:29 [acimmino]
- mccool merges the PR
- 14:53:31 [kaz]
- ack k
- 14:55:07 [kaz]
- kaz: this discussion is fine as initial breanstorming, but for further discussion, we need to look into concrete use cases for example for smart homes, smart buildings and smart cities, which would require more complicated setting and mechanism for device and user discovery
- 14:55:42 [kaz]
- ... and after clarifying those target use cases, we can think about what is needed for WoT Discovery.
- 14:55:45 [kaz]
- mm: right
- 14:55:58 [Mizushima]
- +1 kaz
- 14:56:09 [kaz]
- ... but note that I don't want to extend the scope of WoT Discovery drastically
- 14:56:12 [kaz]
- kaz: agree
- 14:56:32 [kaz]
- mm: please review the updated work items and give comments
- 14:56:34 [kaz]
- [adjourned]
- 14:56:44 [kaz]
- i/this discussion/scribenick: kaz/
- 14:56:50 [kaz]
- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/07/03-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz