IRC log of wot-discovery on 2023-07-03

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14:07:20 [kaz]
meeting: WoT Discovery
14:07:24 [kaz]
topic: minutes
14:07:34 [acimmino]
mccool: there is a typo with extra quotes
14:07:35 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/26-wot-discovery-minutes.html June-26
14:08:04 [acimmino]
mccool: one question here, part of mention about geolocation is missing
14:08:43 [McCool_]
change "that's possible" to "geolocation has two parts, metadata and discovery; the second depends on the first"
14:09:52 [acimmino]
the typo is with the sentence: around "break "improvements"
14:10:18 [acimmino]
that should be "break 'improvements'"
14:10:39 [acimmino]
minutes are published since there is no objection
14:10:50 [acimmino]
Topic: detailed planning
14:11:03 [kaz]
i/minutes/(fixed)/
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14:11:52 [McCool_]
https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094
14:12:00 [acimmino]
mccool: the summary is putting planning documents under discovery-planning branch
14:12:00 [kaz]
present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Andrea_Cimmino, Kunihiko_Toumura, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Luca_Barbato
14:12:00 [kaz]
chair: McCool
14:12:00 [luca_barbato]
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14:12:25 [acimmino]
...in last meetings the working items were prioritized
14:12:43 [kaz]
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14:13:14 [kaz]
i/there is a typo/scribenick: acimmino/
14:13:15 [kaz]
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14:16:57 [kaz]
s|https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1094 wot PR 1094 - Discovery Planning|
14:17:08 [kaz]
q+
14:17:10 [acimmino]
mccool: adds some points under additional introductions (e.g. discovery in MQTT)
14:18:31 [acimmino]
mccool: high priority are things that provide us major functionalities, middle are improvements but are not pillar functionalities, low is questionable/tentative things
14:18:43 [kaz]
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14:19:22 [acimmino]
mccool: the middle priority is divided into direct and dependency
14:19:30 [acimmino]
kaz: the categorization is nice
14:19:48 [kaz]
i|the summary is putting|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/discovery-planning/planning/Discovery/work-items.md proposed work-items.md within the PR|
14:19:51 [kaz]
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14:19:59 [kaz]
ack k
14:20:15 [acimmino]
..but we need to consider industry adoption (not sure about this sentence, I did not have time to type and listen)
14:20:51 [acimmino]
mccool: we should look for use cases that want to adopt WoT directly for this
14:21:13 [kaz]
s/..but we need to consider industry adoption (not sure about this sentence, I did not have time to type and listen)/... but we need to think about concrete use cases for variable industry adaptions./
14:21:23 [kaz]
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14:21:36 [kaz]
q+
14:21:47 [acimmino]
mccool: we could focus on things that are just wot and remove middle having only two categories instead of three
14:22:19 [acimmino]
kaz: we need also to consider existing discovery mechanisms in IoT (that is open question)
14:23:08 [luca_barbato]
q+
14:23:22 [acimmino]
mccool captures this comment under "Open Questions"
14:24:16 [kaz]
ack k
14:24:17 [acimmino]
kaz: we should confirm and validate the compatibility with these mechanisms in WoT
14:25:06 [kaz]
q?
14:26:11 [acimmino]
luca_barbato: onboarding should not be discussed here
14:26:20 [acimmino]
...that's part of security
14:28:17 [acimmino]
luca_barbato: there are two components one is in charge of discovery items and another mapping the device to a description
14:29:35 [acimmino]
mccool: this extends the scope of discovery, the discovery is more restricted. We discovery things that are registered and there is no generation of TDs, these are provided.
14:30:00 [acimmino]
mccool adds an item explaining this topic under the Open Questions
14:30:03 [acimmino]
+q
14:31:45 [kaz]
ack lu
14:31:56 [acimmino]
mccool: moving to geolocation, maybe what is a bit confusing is that geolocation can be divided into two items: the meta-data part and the discovery using that meta-data
14:36:19 [acimmino]
mccool fixes the work items in the document putting moving the bullets under their correct section
14:38:30 [kaz]
q+
14:39:45 [acimmino]
mccool: any idea on how to improve the organisation of this section?
14:40:03 [acimmino]
kaz: we could use the repository to discuss this in the initial state
14:40:03 [kaz]
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14:41:19 [acimmino]
mccool: yes, but if we put this in the repo this is just an internal discussion but in this way is a group decision
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14:44:02 [luca_barbato]
q+
14:44:23 [kaz]
s/the repository/the wot-discovery repository/
14:44:40 [kaz]
s/we could/I'm OK with this discussion itself, but we could/
14:45:19 [kaz]
s/in the initial state/around the initial phase of the Discovery TF's work for the next Charter, Couldn't we?/
14:46:53 [kaz]
s/if we put this in the repo this is just an internal discussion but in this way is a group decision/the planning discussion should be managed based on the group-wide decision. So I proposed this method during the planning meeting last week and it was approved. Also moving the information from now would be confusing./
14:51:18 [McCool_]
q?
14:51:22 [McCool_]
ack a
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14:51:40 [kaz]
q+
14:53:29 [acimmino]
mccool merges the PR
14:53:31 [kaz]
ack k
14:55:07 [kaz]
kaz: this discussion is fine as initial breanstorming, but for further discussion, we need to look into concrete use cases for example for smart homes, smart buildings and smart cities, which would require more complicated setting and mechanism for device and user discovery
14:55:42 [kaz]
... and after clarifying those target use cases, we can think about what is needed for WoT Discovery.
14:55:45 [kaz]
mm: right
14:55:58 [Mizushima]
+1 kaz
14:56:09 [kaz]
... but note that I don't want to extend the scope of WoT Discovery drastically
14:56:12 [kaz]
kaz: agree
14:56:32 [kaz]
mm: please review the updated work items and give comments
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[adjourned]
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i/this discussion/scribenick: kaz/
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