11:58:21 RRSAgent has joined #wot 11:58:26 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-irc 11:59:11 McCool has joined #wot 11:59:31 meeting: WoT-WG/IG 11:59:54 present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Luca_Barbato 12:01:52 Mizushima has joined #wot 12:02:35 ktoumura has joined #wot 12:05:35 present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima 12:05:50 regrets+ Sebastian, Ege 12:05:57 rrsagent, make log public 12:06:03 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:06:04 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:06:19 matsuda has joined #wot 12:06:31 mjk has joined #wot 12:06:38 scribenick: mjk 12:06:50 topic: minutes review 12:07:30 q+ 12:07:49 mm: official policy is to review the minutes offline and ask for objections in the meeting 12:08:07 s|official|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/21-wot-minutes.html June-21| 12:08:45 cris_ has joined #wot 12:08:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:08:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:09:25 ack k 12:09:25 mm: this time we can go through them in the meeting but would like to reduce the meeting time reviewing minutes 12:09:38 dezell has joined #wot 12:09:47 present+ David_Ezell 12:09:57 ... will start a new policy next week 12:10:25 i/this/kaz: would suggest we record that as our policy explicitly/ 12:10:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:10:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:10:47 mm: will prepare a written statement of the new policy to review minutes offline for next week 12:10:57 topic: quick updates 12:11:10 topic: schedule changes 12:11:17 chair: McCool 12:11:28 i/would suggest/scribenick: kaz/ 12:11:37 i/this time/scribenick: mjk/ 12:11:39 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:11:40 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:12:18 mm: next Monday is July 3rd, there is an OPC meeting to discuss MOCA which conflicts with the security call 12:12:26 q+ 12:12:40 ... would like to resume the security call after next week 12:13:05 ... use case call is currently suspended and will be rescheduled 12:13:28 ... profile calls are currently suspended 12:13:34 q? 12:13:59 ... architecture call is also suspended, but we may have a call to discuss work items 12:14:02 qq+ 12:14:33 ack k 12:14:33 kaz, you wanted to react to kaz 12:14:49 q+ 12:14:52 s/kaz, you wanted to react to kaz// 12:14:56 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:14:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:15:35 luca: like to propose moving the onboarding discussion to the security TF 12:15:40 q? 12:15:42 ack l 12:16:11 mm: there isn't enough attendance in the security TF, it probably belongs in architecture 12:16:29 ... we should discuss with the entire group 12:17:14 q? 12:17:22 ... we are also not in a big hurry to resolve issues because the new charter doesn't start until August 12:18:03 q+ 12:18:07 ack mj 12:18:41 present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi 12:20:16 ack k 12:20:49 mjk: should we also cancel the TD call? 12:22:50 q? 12:23:36 ... agree to cancel TD call today and review the minutes from June 14th offline for approval at the May 5th meeting 12:24:10 mm: will mjk update the TD wiki page> 12:24:35 mjk: yes 12:24:48 mm: and please add the calendar link 12:25:25 topic: charter status 12:25:48 q+ 12:25:56 kaz: charter approval proceeding, w3m approval is next, then AC review 12:26:12 mm: there will be 6 weeks total 12:26:32 kaz: we are looking for a 2 month extension 12:26:45 ack k 12:26:55 mm: it now looks like September 1 for the start of the new charter 12:27:00 q+ 12:27:14 ... moving the charter document over, please check the link 12:27:41 kaz: a link from the charter to the main document may be dangerous 12:28:15 s/main/detailed plan/ 12:28:33 mm: any other discussion on the charter? 12:28:45 topic: TPAC planning 12:28:46 s/dangerous/dangerous, so would suggest we remove the link and manage the detailed plan separately/ 12:28:47 q? 12:28:50 fack k 12:28:57 s/fack k// 12:28:58 ack k 12:29:21 q+ 12:29:43 mm: added Digital Twin to the group discussions 12:31:03 kaz: accessibility group has already created their agenda, so we need to follow up with them on timeslot 12:31:08 mm: will check that 12:31:44 ... it seems like 1.5 hours may be too long, and can be reduced to 30 minutes 12:31:54 q+ 12:32:11 ack k 12:32:43 s/30 minutes/an hour total, 30 minutes open discussion 12:32:55 i|accessi|-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#Web_of_Things_.2860_mins_.3F.3F.3F.29 APA WG agenda for TPAC| 12:32:58 ack k 12:33:07 q+ 12:33:10 ack c 12:34:16 cris: we agreed to reduce the time to keep the meeting on topic 12:34:54 ack k 12:34:54 kaz: the time at TPAC is limited, and even one hour may be too long 12:35:05 ... we can continue the discussion during ordinary calls 12:35:29 cris: we can also use the weeks before and after TPAC 12:36:17 kaz: we should prioritize what is important for WoT deployment 12:37:10 q? 12:37:25 mm: the weeks before and after will be useful. The in-person attendance will likely be small and we will have more online interaction 12:38:15 mm: there is more work to do yet to organize. THe TD seems to be working on it but other TFs need more work 12:38:26 topic: publication 12:38:28 q+ 12:39:07 mm: updated and moved the schedule under its own heading, link from the planning section 12:40:02 ... updated the schedule to mid-August but will change to September 1st for new charter starting date 12:40:18 ... Updated PR publication to July 6th 12:41:05 ... need to get a press release ready by mid August, with testimonials and other materials 12:41:54 kaz: there may be some delay in the website update, checking on availability of the team 12:42:32 mm: there are dependencies and uncertainty in the approval process that could still affect the date 12:43:12 mm: Binding and Scripting notes are still in progress 12:43:28 kaz: there is an issue with the Scripting note 12:43:41 ... the PR transition is priority 12:43:56 topic: planning 12:44:03 q? 12:44:05 ack k 12:44:37 mm: need testimonials for a press release for the new PR and note publication 12:44:43 q+ 12:44:58 ... need to talk with marcomm and determine what the narrative will be 12:45:29 kaz: we should notify Coralie of our intention fo the press release 12:45:47 s/fo/for 12:45:49 ack k 12:46:44 subtopic: next charter planning 12:47:08 s/subtopic/topic/ 12:47:27 mm: to summarize last week's 4 days of meeting, there are labeled PRs 12:47:35 s/topic: planning/topic: planning for the current charter/ 12:47:54 rrsagent, draft minutes 12:47:55 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 12:48:21 i|to summ|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_Next_Charter_Detailed_Planning planning meeting agenda| 12:49:04 mm: created a directory for WoT planning 12:49:20 ... missing PR for the TD materials 12:49:23 q? 12:49:32 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/planning Planning directory 12:50:30 ... need at least a md file with links to the TD materials 12:50:44 mjk: planning to update and convert slide content to .md 12:51:32 mm: reviewing md document for discovery TF as an example 12:51:57 ... organized the content by priority and noted missing use cases 12:52:24 q? 12:53:01 ... will meet again and finish organizing the document 12:53:39 mjk: this document is a good guide for how we should document work items 12:53:58 mm: will mjk follow up with project planning 12:54:03 mjk: yes 12:54:42 mm: there are some policy items like how we select TF moderators 12:55:08 ... creating a proposed template structure for keeping track of policy 12:55:48 -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1093 wot PR 1093 - Policy Proposal Process 12:56:03 q+ 12:56:14 topic: profile PR reviews 12:56:27 +1 12:56:44 mm: we need the entire group to review these 12:57:35 kaz: OK with the policy direction, but we need to be careful how to use the resolution process 12:57:59 mm: agree, we need to carefully follow the process 12:58:49 s/topic: profile PR reviews// 12:58:53 ... will get feedback and then call for resolution 12:59:03 topic: profile PR reviews 12:59:26 s/mm: we need the entire group to review these// 12:59:28 mm: we need the entire group to review these 12:59:29 ... let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning 12:59:47 topic: meetups? 13:00:21 kaz: working on JP meetup plans for the year 13:01:04 ... we need to include meetups in the policy discussion 13:01:11 topic: liaisons 13:02:15 mm: OPC conference last week, Sebastian and Erich gave presentations promoting WoT 13:02:45 ... reminder about next Monday meeting on MOCA 13:02:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:02:56 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:03:08 topic: TF report out 13:03:14 ... any reports? 13:03:17 i/schedule changes/(none)/ 13:03:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:03:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:03:29 ... want to give more time to TF reports going forward 13:03:29 q+ 13:03:34 topic: AOB 13:03:39 ack k 13:03:50 kaz: cancelling testing and TD calls today? 13:04:06 i/want to/(none)/ 13:04:07 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:08 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:04:14 mm: we could incorporate more test results but not needed 13:04:18 mm: adjourned 13:04:29 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:31 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:04:37 ktoumura has left #wot 13:04:54 s/we could/right. we could/ 13:04:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:04:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:06:05 s/ ... let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning// 13:06:23 i|profile PR reviews|mm: let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning 13:06:25 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:06:26 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:10:45 s/... let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning// 13:10:53 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:10:54 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:11:16 i|let's plan|scribenick: kaz| 13:11:18 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:11:19 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz 13:11:55 i|working on JP|scribenick: mjk| 13:11:57 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:11:58 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz