IRC log of wot on 2023-06-28

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11:59:11 [McCool]
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11:59:31 [kaz]
meeting: WoT-WG/IG
11:59:54 [kaz]
present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Luca_Barbato
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12:05:35 [kaz]
present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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regrets+ Sebastian, Ege
12:05:57 [kaz]
rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
12:06:04 [RRSAgent]
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scribenick: mjk
12:06:50 [mjk]
topic: minutes review
12:07:30 [kaz]
q+
12:07:49 [mjk]
mm: official policy is to review the minutes offline and ask for objections in the meeting
12:08:07 [kaz]
s|official|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/06/21-wot-minutes.html June-21|
12:08:45 [cris_]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
12:08:48 [RRSAgent]
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12:09:25 [kaz]
ack k
12:09:25 [mjk]
mm: this time we can go through them in the meeting but would like to reduce the meeting time reviewing minutes
12:09:38 [dezell]
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present+ David_Ezell
12:09:57 [mjk]
... will start a new policy next week
12:10:25 [kaz]
i/this/kaz: would suggest we record that as our policy explicitly/
12:10:40 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:41 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:10:47 [mjk]
mm: will prepare a written statement of the new policy to review minutes offline for next week
12:10:57 [mjk]
topic: quick updates
12:11:10 [mjk]
topic: schedule changes
12:11:17 [kaz]
chair: McCool
12:11:28 [kaz]
i/would suggest/scribenick: kaz/
12:11:37 [kaz]
i/this time/scribenick: mjk/
12:11:39 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
12:11:40 [RRSAgent]
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12:12:18 [mjk]
mm: next Monday is July 3rd, there is an OPC meeting to discuss MOCA which conflicts with the security call
12:12:26 [luca_barbato]
q+
12:12:40 [mjk]
... would like to resume the security call after next week
12:13:05 [mjk]
... use case call is currently suspended and will be rescheduled
12:13:28 [mjk]
... profile calls are currently suspended
12:13:34 [kaz]
q?
12:13:59 [mjk]
... architecture call is also suspended, but we may have a call to discuss work items
12:14:02 [kaz]
qq+
12:14:33 [kaz]
ack k
12:14:33 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to react to kaz
12:14:49 [mjk]
q+
12:14:52 [kaz]
s/kaz, you wanted to react to kaz//
12:14:56 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
12:14:58 [RRSAgent]
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12:15:35 [mjk]
luca: like to propose moving the onboarding discussion to the security TF
12:15:40 [kaz]
q?
12:15:42 [kaz]
ack l
12:16:11 [mjk]
mm: there isn't enough attendance in the security TF, it probably belongs in architecture
12:16:29 [mjk]
... we should discuss with the entire group
12:17:14 [kaz]
q?
12:17:22 [mjk]
... we are also not in a big hurry to resolve issues because the new charter doesn't start until August
12:18:03 [kaz]
q+
12:18:07 [kaz]
ack mj
12:18:41 [kaz]
present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:20:16 [kaz]
ack k
12:20:49 [mjk]
mjk: should we also cancel the TD call?
12:22:50 [kaz]
q?
12:23:36 [mjk]
... agree to cancel TD call today and review the minutes from June 14th offline for approval at the May 5th meeting
12:24:10 [mjk]
mm: will mjk update the TD wiki page>
12:24:35 [mjk]
mjk: yes
12:24:48 [mjk]
mm: and please add the calendar link
12:25:25 [mjk]
topic: charter status
12:25:48 [kaz]
q+
12:25:56 [mjk]
kaz: charter approval proceeding, w3m approval is next, then AC review
12:26:12 [mjk]
mm: there will be 6 weeks total
12:26:32 [mjk]
kaz: we are looking for a 2 month extension
12:26:45 [kaz]
ack k
12:26:55 [mjk]
mm: it now looks like September 1 for the start of the new charter
12:27:00 [kaz]
q+
12:27:14 [mjk]
... moving the charter document over, please check the link
12:27:41 [mjk]
kaz: a link from the charter to the main document may be dangerous
12:28:15 [kaz]
s/main/detailed plan/
12:28:33 [mjk]
mm: any other discussion on the charter?
12:28:45 [mjk]
topic: TPAC planning
12:28:46 [kaz]
s/dangerous/dangerous, so would suggest we remove the link and manage the detailed plan separately/
12:28:47 [mjk]
q?
12:28:50 [kaz]
fack k
12:28:57 [kaz]
s/fack k//
12:28:58 [kaz]
ack k
12:29:21 [kaz]
q+
12:29:43 [mjk]
mm: added Digital Twin to the group discussions
12:31:03 [mjk]
kaz: accessibility group has already created their agenda, so we need to follow up with them on timeslot
12:31:08 [mjk]
mm: will check that
12:31:44 [mjk]
... it seems like 1.5 hours may be too long, and can be reduced to 30 minutes
12:31:54 [cris_]
q+
12:32:11 [kaz]
ack k
12:32:43 [mjk]
s/30 minutes/an hour total, 30 minutes open discussion
12:32:55 [kaz]
i|accessi|-> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2023#Web_of_Things_.2860_mins_.3F.3F.3F.29 APA WG agenda for TPAC|
12:32:58 [kaz]
ack k
12:33:07 [kaz]
q+
12:33:10 [kaz]
ack c
12:34:16 [mjk]
cris: we agreed to reduce the time to keep the meeting on topic
12:34:54 [kaz]
ack k
12:34:54 [mjk]
kaz: the time at TPAC is limited, and even one hour may be too long
12:35:05 [mjk]
... we can continue the discussion during ordinary calls
12:35:29 [mjk]
cris: we can also use the weeks before and after TPAC
12:36:17 [mjk]
kaz: we should prioritize what is important for WoT deployment
12:37:10 [kaz]
q?
12:37:25 [mjk]
mm: the weeks before and after will be useful. The in-person attendance will likely be small and we will have more online interaction
12:38:15 [mjk]
mm: there is more work to do yet to organize. THe TD seems to be working on it but other TFs need more work
12:38:26 [mjk]
topic: publication
12:38:28 [kaz]
q+
12:39:07 [mjk]
mm: updated and moved the schedule under its own heading, link from the planning section
12:40:02 [mjk]
... updated the schedule to mid-August but will change to September 1st for new charter starting date
12:40:18 [mjk]
... Updated PR publication to July 6th
12:41:05 [mjk]
... need to get a press release ready by mid August, with testimonials and other materials
12:41:54 [mjk]
kaz: there may be some delay in the website update, checking on availability of the team
12:42:32 [mjk]
mm: there are dependencies and uncertainty in the approval process that could still affect the date
12:43:12 [mjk]
mm: Binding and Scripting notes are still in progress
12:43:28 [mjk]
kaz: there is an issue with the Scripting note
12:43:41 [mjk]
... the PR transition is priority
12:43:56 [mjk]
topic: planning
12:44:03 [kaz]
q?
12:44:05 [kaz]
ack k
12:44:37 [mjk]
mm: need testimonials for a press release for the new PR and note publication
12:44:43 [kaz]
q+
12:44:58 [mjk]
... need to talk with marcomm and determine what the narrative will be
12:45:29 [mjk]
kaz: we should notify Coralie of our intention fo the press release
12:45:47 [mjk]
s/fo/for
12:45:49 [kaz]
ack k
12:46:44 [mjk]
subtopic: next charter planning
12:47:08 [kaz]
s/subtopic/topic/
12:47:27 [mjk]
mm: to summarize last week's 4 days of meeting, there are labeled PRs
12:47:35 [kaz]
s/topic: planning/topic: planning for the current charter/
12:47:54 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
12:47:55 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:48:21 [kaz]
i|to summ|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_Next_Charter_Detailed_Planning planning meeting agenda|
12:49:04 [mjk]
mm: created a directory for WoT planning
12:49:20 [mjk]
... missing PR for the TD materials
12:49:23 [mjk]
q?
12:49:32 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/tree/main/planning Planning directory
12:50:30 [mjk]
... need at least a md file with links to the TD materials
12:50:44 [mjk]
mjk: planning to update and convert slide content to .md
12:51:32 [mjk]
mm: reviewing md document for discovery TF as an example
12:51:57 [mjk]
... organized the content by priority and noted missing use cases
12:52:24 [mjk]
q?
12:53:01 [mjk]
... will meet again and finish organizing the document
12:53:39 [mjk]
mjk: this document is a good guide for how we should document work items
12:53:58 [mjk]
mm: will mjk follow up with project planning
12:54:03 [mjk]
mjk: yes
12:54:42 [mjk]
mm: there are some policy items like how we select TF moderators
12:55:08 [mjk]
... creating a proposed template structure for keeping track of policy
12:55:48 [kaz]
-> https://github.com/w3c/wot/pull/1093 wot PR 1093 - Policy Proposal Process
12:56:03 [kaz]
q+
12:56:14 [mjk]
topic: profile PR reviews
12:56:27 [cris_]
+1
12:56:44 [mjk]
mm: we need the entire group to review these
12:57:35 [mjk]
kaz: OK with the policy direction, but we need to be careful how to use the resolution process
12:57:59 [mjk]
mm: agree, we need to carefully follow the process
12:58:49 [kaz]
s/topic: profile PR reviews//
12:58:53 [mjk]
... will get feedback and then call for resolution
12:59:03 [kaz]
topic: profile PR reviews
12:59:26 [kaz]
s/mm: we need the entire group to review these//
12:59:28 [kaz]
mm: we need the entire group to review these
12:59:29 [mjk]
... let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning
12:59:47 [mjk]
topic: meetups?
13:00:21 [mjk]
kaz: working on JP meetup plans for the year
13:01:04 [mjk]
... we need to include meetups in the policy discussion
13:01:11 [mjk]
topic: liaisons
13:02:15 [mjk]
mm: OPC conference last week, Sebastian and Erich gave presentations promoting WoT
13:02:45 [mjk]
... reminder about next Monday meeting on MOCA
13:02:55 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
13:02:56 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:08 [mjk]
topic: TF report out
13:03:14 [mjk]
... any reports?
13:03:17 [kaz]
i/schedule changes/(none)/
13:03:18 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
13:03:19 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/28-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:03:29 [mjk]
... want to give more time to TF reports going forward
13:03:29 [kaz]
q+
13:03:34 [mjk]
topic: AOB
13:03:39 [kaz]
ack k
13:03:50 [mjk]
kaz: cancelling testing and TD calls today?
13:04:06 [kaz]
i/want to/(none)/
13:04:07 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:04:14 [mjk]
mm: we could incorporate more test results but not needed
13:04:18 [mjk]
mm: adjourned
13:04:29 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:04:37 [ktoumura]
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13:04:54 [kaz]
s/we could/right. we could/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:06:05 [kaz]
s/<mjk> ... let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning//
13:06:23 [kaz]
i|profile PR reviews|mm: let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning
13:06:25 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:10:45 [kaz]
s/... let's plan to have a longer meeting and spend more time on planning//
13:10:53 [kaz]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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13:11:16 [kaz]
i|let's plan|scribenick: kaz|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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i|working on JP|scribenick: mjk|
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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