IRC log of adapt on 2023-06-26
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
- 13:59:18 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Meeting: Adapt Weekly Teleconference Monday 26 June 2023
- 13:59:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- agenda?
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- 14:03:16 [Sharon]
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- 14:05:39 [janina]
- scribe+
- 14:05:59 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- chair: Lionel_Wolberger
- 14:06:24 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Topic: Administratrivia
- 14:06:46 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Away next Monday, 3 July
- 14:07:02 [janina]
- Sharon: We're planning to skip--4th of July week
- 14:07:35 [janina]
- Lionel: 10th OK & 17 OK for me
- 14:08:08 [janina]
- Lionel: Will be in Australia from 24th until 7th August; back 14 August
- 14:08:39 [janina]
- s/14th/21st/
- 14:09:58 [janina]
- janina: Suggests we will need to meet because we want to be prepared for TPAC
- 14:11:25 [matatk]
- q+
- 14:11:53 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- ack matatk
- 14:12:06 [matatk]
- agenda?
- 14:14:20 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 14:14:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Sharon]
- 14:15:44 [Russell]
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- lionel: We'll come back to 240 when Russell gets on Zoom with audio!
- 14:16:57 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- Topic: TPAC prep (break-out, hand-out, authoring tool) - https://www.w3.org/2023/09/TPAC/
- 14:17:00 [Russell]
- I will be joining
- 14:18:52 [janina]
- matt: I have Janina's list--coming ...
- 14:19:26 [matatk]
- Proposed agenda from Janina's email:
- 14:19:28 [matatk]
- When we do reconvene, though, we should lay out a strategy that gets us to TPAC with some key deliverables:
- 14:19:32 [matatk]
- Matthew's Authoring Tool--at least showable
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- A prototype user agent that will display AAC -- Extension?
- 14:19:37 [matatk]
- Some marked up content
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- Gap Analysis; especially rebuttal to "unicode is enough"
- 14:19:42 [matatk]
- A handout/single-screen demo of a concept displayed in multiple AAC symbol sets. The point is to illustrate why unicode doesn't suffice as the db key.
- 14:20:20 [Russell]
- present+
- 14:20:54 [janina]
- subtopic: Authoring Tool
- 14:21:00 [matatk]
- present+
- 14:21:11 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Curate our messaging around it
- 14:21:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- present+
- 14:21:38 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: But it also does rendering, some is an implementation
- 14:23:50 [janina]
- matatk: There enough to show usability and that adding AAC is not onorous
- 14:24:20 [janina]
- matatk: Can also be a breakout; showing authoring as well as rendering
- 14:24:30 [janina]
- matatk: so far more hands on thatn before
- 14:25:08 [janina]
- matatk: same code builds browser extension, in order to show switching symbols
- 14:25:35 [janina]
- matatk: and we'll need to do testing to show we meet our CR's RFC2119 reqs in order to advance the spec to PR
- 14:27:22 [janina]
- janina: Asks if ready for demo by TPAC
- 14:27:39 [janina]
- matatk: yes, a contrived demo where we know the other symbol sets and will work live
- 14:28:50 [janina]
- Russell: I'm in an AI project where people are starting to work in this space, could we intro it there now? Could you spare an hour for that group?
- 14:28:54 [janina]
- matatk: Absolutely
- 14:30:00 [janina]
- matatk: phps if a separate team makes an implementation it'd be OK
- 14:30:19 [janina]
- matatk: not sure my tool will support the more highly generative Bliss
- 14:30:33 [janina]
- matatk: Goal here was to show how easy to support AAC in content
- 14:30:56 [Lionel_Wolberger]
- q+
- 14:31:26 [janina]
- Russell: Will miss 3 weeks on vacation; will schedule for end of July or just beyond
- 14:31:37 [janina]
- ack l
- 14:32:28 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: brilliant tool at creating ml; how do we do the more minimal ml, like chapters in an mp4
- 14:33:22 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: can help an ordered list be scannable by all kinds of people; neuro diverse
- 14:33:56 [janina]
- matatk: Wow, I didn't know I did that!
- 14:37:36 [janina]
- matatk: highlights warning -- unsure whether OK to put explanation when explain is there -- what's the impact of using this, close, not close enough?
- 14:38:36 [janina]
- Russell: different word forms within Bliss -- OK to change tenses, etc; typical user conversing in Bliss won't bother that much
- 14:39:15 [matatk]
- q+
- 14:39:52 [janina]
- Russell: facility is there and a sophisticated implementation would; implementation would be more complex esp when one goes to other langs
- 14:40:34 [janina]
- Russell: most other symbol sets don't have that sophistication; so not a major issue for the field in general
- 14:42:41 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: shows pictogram and wonders about swapping
- 14:43:28 [janina]
- janina: Notes that registry is where that happens, not needed for CR proofs
- 14:44:05 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: also note we want individual words, bullets, not whole sentences
- 14:44:36 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: but not necessarily full sentences; the minimal is the more important for most of the community
- 14:44:56 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: this is coming out of A11y for Children
- 14:46:22 [janina]
- subtopic: example page
- 14:46:53 [janina]
- janina: Suggests git fork of ADA complaint form
- 14:47:07 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: Shows ADA file a complaint form
- 14:48:09 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: notes about 5 screens to the form
- 14:49:29 [janina]
- Lionel_Wolberger: zakim, take jup item 3
- 14:49:46 [janina]
- zakim, take up item 3
- 14:49:46 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Sharon]
- 14:50:07 [janina]
- [discussion of potential response]
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- zakim, bye
- 15:00:01 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been matatk, Russell, janina, Lionel_Wolberger
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- present+
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/26-adapt-minutes.html janina
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- I see no action items