IRC log of wcag2ict on 2023-06-16
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), maryjom
- 13:03:57 [maryjom]
- zakim, clear agenda
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- agenda cleared
- 13:03:57 [jasonjgw]
- present+
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- chair: Mary Jo Mueller
- 13:03:57 [matatk]
- present+
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- meeting: Sub-group on text / command line / Terminal emulators
- 13:04:03 [mitch11]
- present+
- 13:04:03 [dmontalvo]
- present+ Daniel
- 13:04:11 [maryjom]
- present+
- 13:05:39 [matatk]
- https://deploy-preview-172--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#background-on-text-command-line-terminal-applications-and-interfaces
- 13:05:52 [maryjom]
- topic: Janina's pull request
- 13:06:57 [maryjom]
- https://deploy-preview-172--wcag2ict.netlify.app/#text-command-line-terminal-applications-and-interfaces
- 13:07:29 [maryjom]
- Above links are what to review for Janina's update to the pull request.
- 13:08:01 [maryjom]
- topic: Review of spreadsheet proposals for content
- 13:10:15 [mitch11]
- q+
- 13:10:29 [maryjom]
- ack mitch
- 13:10:38 [maryjom]
- scribe+ maryjom
- 13:11:33 [maryjom]
- mitch: In general, the drafted content looks good. Specifically 1.2.1 seems like beeps belongs on 1.1.1 Non-text content.
- 13:12:13 [maryjom]
- mitch: There seems that there might need to be the full list of SC and for each that apply as written, say so.
- 13:14:36 [maryjom]
- matatk: +1 to Mitch's comments. I need to find some examples of cases to find - about 14 of them and haven't had bandwidth to do that.
- 13:14:57 [maryjom]
- matatk: Hopes to make progress on examples next week.
- 13:15:46 [maryjom]
- matatk: There are 6 cells with specific questions, probably dependent on examples.
- 13:16:48 [mitch11]
- q+
- 13:16:52 [maryjom]
- jasonjgw: There may be disagreement in the yes/no column but nothing substantive
- 13:17:25 [matatk]
- q+
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- ack mitch11
- 13:17:31 [matatk]
- q?
- 13:17:37 [matatk]
- ack mitch
- 13:17:47 [maryjom]
- matatk: The yes/no cells pretty much identify where the examples are neeed.
- 13:19:22 [maryjom]
- mitch: I think it makes sense to make a pull request from the proposed text so we can review easier.
- 13:19:47 [maryjom]
- jasonjgw: +1 to having a pull request that has all of the changes
- 13:20:46 [maryjom]
- matatk: Instead of wherever "no text needed" should be "this applies" or "this doesn't apply". I like that the notes are next to the proposal.
- 13:21:43 [maryjom]
- matatk: It will take a couple of weeks to go through all of the examples I've got to look into.
- 13:22:59 [maryjom]
- matatk: If I put together a pull request today will you also be able to review by next week?
- 13:23:45 [maryjom]
- s/matatk: If I/maryjom: If I/
- 13:24:15 [dmontalvo]
- q+
- 13:24:25 [mitch11]
- q+
- 13:24:27 [maryjom]
- jasonjgw: If something is really rare to happen, it won't change whether or not the SC would apply.
- 13:24:33 [matatk]
- ack matatk
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- ack dmontalvo
- 13:25:16 [maryjom]
- dmontalvo: +1 to Jason - prioritize the scenarios that might change our decision.
- 13:26:04 [maryjom]
- dmontalvo: Once we see how this starts to take shape, it's just better to read it in context.
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- ack mitch
- 13:26:20 [mitch11]
- example of how to support what jason was saying: Content relevant to this criterion is rare for text-based applications. If such content does occur, this criterion applies as written.
- 13:27:44 [maryjom]
- mitch: Above text would be helpful to the reader.
- 13:27:54 [matatk]
- +1 to all of the above from jasonjgw, dmontalvo and mitch11 from me
- 13:29:00 [mitch11]
- I need to drop. Great progress, great work everybody, cheers
- 13:31:18 [maryjom]
- maryjom: I will make a branch off of Janina's and send it out for our review.
- 13:32:03 [maryjom]
- topic: Janina's PR updates
- 13:32:47 [maryjom]
- janina: Trying to capture some of the nuances of the topic and how CLI and terminal emulators should be characterized today.
- 13:33:50 [maryjom]
- ...Command line environments are more powerful and help is context sensitive, even with progressive reveal of more help on repeat requests.
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- jasonjgw: Agree with those points. With applications have multiple interfaces is typical of the Unix way of developing these tools.
- 13:35:11 [maryjom]
- ...There's a book reference about the context-sensitive help.
- 13:39:34 [matatk]
- q+
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- ack maryjom
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- ack matatk
- 13:41:30 [maryjom]
- maryjom: I will go ahead and add the content to Janina's PR and let everyone know when that's ready to review.
- 13:41:51 [maryjom]
- ...we'll review it next week.
- 13:42:33 [maryjom]
- s/next week/during the week and discuss at the 23 June meeting.
- 13:42:35 [dmontalvo]
- http://www.catb.org/esr/writings/taoup/html/ -> The Art of Unix Programming
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html maryjom
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html dmontalvo
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, matatk, mitch, Daniel, maryjom
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/16-wcag2ict-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, maryjom; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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- rrsagent, bye
- 13:43:38 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items