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14:45:05 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio_
14:45:19 <Fazio_> meeting: Maturity Model
14:45:30 <Fazio_> Chair: Fazio
14:49:15 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Spreadsheet Update
14:49:34 <Fazio_> Agenda+TL;DR Update from Stacey: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Jun/0000.html
14:50:02 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Support Dimension Update https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023May/0019.html
14:50:21 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Stakeholder Document Update
14:50:34 <Fazio_> Agenda+ Publication Update Update
14:58:09 <Fazio_> present+
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15:00:31 <Mark_M> maturity
15:00:43 <Mark_M> present+
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15:04:52 <nadine> present+
15:05:22 <stacey> scribe+
15:05:42 <IrfanA> agenda?
15:05:49 <IrfanA> zakim, next item
15:05:49 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Spreadsheet Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:05:49 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:05:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, stacey
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15:06:47 <janina> agenda?
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15:07:17 <janina> scribe+
15:07:20 <SusiPallero> present+
15:08:10 <janina> stacey: Have emailed
15:08:26 <janina> stacey: reads her proposal
15:09:41 <SusiPallero> q+
15:10:03 <janina> Fazio_: not a fan of "right thing to do" -- but like much
15:10:42 <janina> Fazio_: right thing to do because -- see 1.6
15:11:09 <janina> s/1.6/1 in 6/
15:11:50 <janina> Fazio_: tell them why, and it brings people back in
15:13:27 <janina> SusiPallero: include "human right"
15:13:40 <jklkine> q+
15:14:04 <janina> ack SusiPallero
15:14:23 <Mark_M> q+
15:15:02 <janina> [discussion of using hyperlinks here]
15:15:52 <janina> [discussion of how to explain why]
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15:16:42 <Lionel> agenda?
15:16:50 <Lionel> present+
15:16:51 <janina> q?
15:17:12 <janina> ack jk
15:17:43 <janina> jklkine: wanting to see language about barriers, eliminating barriers to employment, participation in life activities
15:17:51 <janina> ack jk
15:17:55 <SusiPallero> +1
15:18:03 <janina> ack ma
15:18:13 <SusiPallero> q+
15:18:29 <janina> Mark_M: Love this draft -- wonder about 4th para where the model is described ...
15:18:51 <janina> . phps a more direct sentence of what amaturity model is, or what it accomplishes
15:18:54 <janina> .
15:19:09 <janina> . concern that people unfamiliar with maturity models wouldn't understand what an mm does
15:19:47 <janina> . it's there, but could be more concise and direct--more obvious
15:20:39 <janina> q?
15:20:47 <janina> ack su
15:21:02 <janina> SusiPallero: agree with mark
15:22:43 <janina> . concerned about i18n use of 'disability'
15:22:59 <janina> . phps "temporary impairment"
15:23:55 <janina> q?
15:23:59 <janina> q?
15:25:35 <janina> janina: suggests phps barrier rather than impairment to keep focus on interface, not user function
15:25:58 <janina> q?
15:28:34 <janina> q?
15:29:22 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:29:22 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TL;DR Update from Stacey: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Jun/0000.html -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:29:54 <Lionel> present+
15:30:06 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:30:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, stacey
15:30:12 <janina> agenda?
15:30:16 <janina> agenda?
15:30:39 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:30:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:30:40 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:30:40 <Zakim> 3. Support Dimension Update https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023May/0019.html [from Fazio_]
15:30:43 <janina> zakim, next item
15:30:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Support Dimension Update https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023May/0019.html -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:31:25 <stacey> Small subgroupp task force (Stacey, Jeff, Lionel) roles compared to dimensions. Sneak peak for status. Not ready for feedback just yet
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15:32:35 <stacey> Please send the link to public. (update sent directly to Sheri and David already)
15:33:44 <Lionel> scribe+
15:33:44 <stacey> Cover page has status - in progress. Dimensions, method we're using informed and RACI. Role names are a bit nebulous at the moment.
15:33:46 <Lionel> Lionel: The role names as they stand are a bit nebulous-- we identify significant variation in the expectations people have associated with a given role title.
15:34:06 <stacey> (RACI - responsible, accountable, consulted, informed)
15:35:01 <Lionel> ... The selection criteria for inclusion in the role list is nebulous as well.
15:35:02 <stacey> Selection criteria of inclusion of specific roles are nebulous
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15:35:43 <stacey> Such as developer vs evaluation or authoring developer, but content gets in there once.
15:35:52 <stacey> Reducing to binary yes/no is hard
15:36:05 <IrfanA> q+
15:36:11 <stacey> Where you see comments in the doc is where we had a lot of discussion
15:36:41 <jklkine> q+
15:36:59 <janina> ack ir
15:37:53 <SusiPallero> Maybe adding another column like "optional" or "desirable" (not sure that is the correct word) but like "it would be good to have them"
15:38:09 <SusiPallero> column or value
15:38:17 <Lionel> The Google Doc, https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ssN718MpZjxJkx4nltj6XdzziFzeCMyG0Hm0vJZolgc/edit#gid=1561882902
15:38:43 <janina> ack jk
15:39:50 <stacey> probably pair down and converge more, but if someone has DEI everytrhing ight be in there. Companies structure differently so need to be careful about validity. We don't want it to be taken too literally that this is the only/exact way to do it.
15:40:30 <stacey> There are going to be organizations that has no idea who does what, what role, etc. But this is a tool that might use.
15:41:40 <stacey> we inherited this role list, so we have questions on them...General council, dedicated council, corp council...many types of legal roles. Imagine we'll curate this list once we get through this first pass.
15:41:56 <stacey> Could be we might go more minimal/more broad
15:42:13 <stacey> legal and compliance instead of lawyer
15:42:19 <stacey> so support would be yes according to RACI
15:42:43 <stacey> We'll be ready and look forward to deep discussion once we get through first pass
15:42:55 <jklkine> q+
15:43:06 <jklkine> never=mind
15:44:06 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:44:06 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, stacey
15:44:10 <janina> q?
15:44:14 <janina> ack jk
15:44:39 <stacey> zakim, next item
15:44:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Stakeholder Document Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:45:08 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:45:08 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
15:45:08 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:45:08 <Zakim> 5. Publication Update Update [from Fazio_]
15:45:10 <janina> zakim, next item
15:45:10 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Publication Update Update -- taken up [from Fazio_]
15:45:43 <stacey> topic support dimension update
15:46:11 <janina> topic: support dimension update
15:46:35 <stacey> Susi has last update from Charles. He added some changes, so we'll wait until he's on. Table this item for now.
15:46:48 <janina> topic: publication update
15:47:18 <Fazio_>                                                                             zakim, next item
15:47:18 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Fazio_
15:47:24 <stacey> hope to have this in shaped to vote for ready to update working draft this month (3 weeks to finish up re-drafting). Just needs ready for updated working draft. Doesn't need to be perfect
15:47:38 <stacey> How do we feel about this (to the group)?
15:48:14 <stacey> we probably have enough to update. Will follow up with Sheri.
15:48:39 <stacey> Quite a few orgs have been testing this out, and we'll continue to get feedback from them
15:48:47 <stacey> Any new business/ comments/ concerns?
15:50:55 <stacey> Would be great to see folx in TPAC in Sept in Spain
15:52:06 <SusiPallero> I am attending too
15:53:10 <stacey> zakim, end meeting
15:53:10 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fazio_, Mark_M, IrfanA, stacey, jklkine, nadine, janina, SusiPallero, Lionel, nadine_
15:53:12 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:53:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/07-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:53:21 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, stacey; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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