IRC log of adapt on 2023-06-05

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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agenda?
14:13:08 [Lionel_Wolberger]
Meeting: 5 June 2023 Weekly Teleconference
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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agenda+ A11y4Children follow-ups
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agenda+ Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240
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agenda+ Track "Adapt dash" WHATWG status https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9084
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agenda+ Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis
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agenda+ Review open issues
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agenda+ Registry update
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agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages
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agenda+ Recruiting
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agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations
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agenda+ User Agents and Symbols (e.g. Immersive Reader)
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present+
14:17:31 [janina]
present+
14:17:36 [Roy]
present+
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scribe+
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- A11y4Children follow-ups -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:19:22 [janina]
janina To ping Suzanne because we're eager to get together with them on next steps
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zakim, next item
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agendum 2 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:21:06 [janina]
Lionel_Wolberger: Draft created and being reviewed
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Track "Adapt dash" WHATWG status https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9084 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:21:54 [Lionel_Wolberger]
https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9084
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scribe+
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Lionel_Wolberger: Since our goal is that AAC Symbols becomes a Technical Recommendation of W3C, data- ('data dash') will not be an acceptable attribute for us
14:31:22 [matatk]
q+
14:31:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... this applies as well to the CR stage
14:32:30 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... When we picture the adoption phase, we do find that implementation may bypass the browser engine(s) and be implemented by browser extension(s).
14:33:13 [janina]
q+
14:38:57 [matatk]
ack me
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ack janina
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action: matatk to reply on the WHATWG thread
14:40:12 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-103 - Reply on the whatwg thread [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2023-06-12].
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Created -> action #242 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/242
14:42:13 [Lionel_Wolberger]
janina: Accessibility is frequently the first adopter, and is more willing to put up with partial success
14:42:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... considering Adapt for browser extensions falls into this pattern
14:42:42 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... To give a non-HTML example, consider the development of captions
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... TVs could not render captions at first, they depended on an external box that cost a chunk of change
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... It wasn't until the US Congress passed the TV Circuitry decoder act to display captions, that they took off
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... that opened the gate to captions, and the FCC starting to get mandates on captioning
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... and this became a leading 'curb cut' as in noisy bars, public places, etc, captions are on and sound is off
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... There is a similar trajectory here for symbols.
14:45:14 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... There are studies that demonstrate the usefulness of symbols, and we also see the proliferation of emoticons in common communication
14:46:27 [Lionel_Wolberger]
matatk: Interesting that we see the 'unicode' idea arising again in the HTML context, as we saw in the Bliss context
14:47:23 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... our response is still robust and valid, that unicode cannot function as a 'primary key' for associating a symbol that the user has learned,
14:47:33 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... with the concept that is conveyed on the marked up page
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... we call this the 'Rosetta Stone' spproach that we enable with the symbol registry
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/05-adapt-minutes.html matatk
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q?
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zakim, next item
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agendum 4 -- Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:52:36 [Lionel_Wolberger]
matatk: I dived in, and found things I expected to need to add, e.g., regarding micro-formats, are sufficiently already present.
14:53:03 [Lionel_Wolberger]
... The footnotes need to get proper relative anchors
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action: matatk to reformat the gap analysis wiki page
14:53:08 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-104 - Reformat the gap analysis wiki page [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2023-06-12].
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Created -> action #243 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/243
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./me Lionel waves goodbye!
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