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14:12:52 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
14:13:01 <janina> agenda?
14:13:08 <Lionel_Wolberger> Meeting: 5 June 2023 Weekly Teleconference
14:13:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, clear agenda
14:13:16 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:13:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ A11y4Children follow-ups
14:13:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240
14:13:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Track "Adapt dash" WHATWG status https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9084
14:13:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis
14:13:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Review open issues
14:13:37 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Registry update
14:13:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages
14:13:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Recruiting
14:13:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations
14:13:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ User Agents and Symbols (e.g. Immersive Reader)
14:16:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
14:17:31 <janina> present+
14:17:36 <Roy> present+
14:17:39 <janina> scribe+
14:17:56 <janina> zakim, next item
14:17:56 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- A11y4Children follow-ups -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:19:22 <janina> janina To ping Suzanne because we're eager to get together with them on next steps
14:20:00 <janina> zakim, next item
14:20:00 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:21:06 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Draft created and being reviewed
14:21:29 <janina> zakim, next item
14:21:29 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Track "Adapt dash" WHATWG status https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9084 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:21:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://github.com/whatwg/html/issues/9084
14:30:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
14:31:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Since our goal is that AAC Symbols becomes a Technical Recommendation of W3C, data- ('data dash') will not be an acceptable attribute for us
14:31:22 <matatk> q+
14:31:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this applies as well to the CR stage
14:32:30 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... When we picture the adoption phase, we do find that implementation may bypass the browser engine(s) and be implemented by browser extension(s).
14:33:13 <janina> q+
14:38:57 <matatk> ack me
14:39:01 <matatk> ack janina
14:40:05 <matatk> action: matatk to reply on the WHATWG thread
14:40:12 <trackbot> Created ACTION-103 - Reply on the whatwg thread [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2023-06-12].
14:40:12 <ghurlbot> Created -> action #242 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/242
14:42:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Accessibility is frequently the first adopter, and is more willing to put up with partial success
14:42:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... considering Adapt for browser extensions falls into this pattern
14:42:42 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... To give a non-HTML example, consider the development of captions
14:43:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... TVs could not render captions at first, they depended on an external box that cost a chunk of change
14:43:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... It wasn't until the US Congress passed the TV Circuitry decoder act to display captions, that they took off
14:43:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... that opened the gate to captions, and the FCC starting to get mandates on captioning
14:44:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... and this became a leading 'curb cut' as in noisy bars, public places, etc, captions are on and sound is off
14:44:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... There is a similar trajectory here for symbols.
14:45:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... There are studies that demonstrate the usefulness of symbols, and we also see the proliferation of emoticons in common communication
14:46:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: Interesting that we see the 'unicode' idea arising again in the HTML context, as we saw in the Bliss context
14:47:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... our response is still robust and valid, that unicode cannot function as a 'primary key' for associating a symbol that the user has learned,
14:47:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... with the concept that is conveyed on the marked up page
14:47:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... we call this the 'Rosetta Stone' spproach that we enable with the symbol registry
14:48:32 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:48:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/05-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:48:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:48:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
14:48:41 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:52:36 <Lionel_Wolberger> matatk: I dived in, and found things I expected to need to add, e.g., regarding micro-formats, are sufficiently already present.
14:53:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... The footnotes need to get proper relative anchors
14:53:08 <matatk> action: matatk to reformat the gap analysis wiki page
14:53:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-104 - Reformat the gap analysis wiki page [on Matthew Atkinson - due 2023-06-12].
14:53:09 <ghurlbot> Created -> action #243 https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/243
14:59:07 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:00:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> ./me Lionel waves goodbye!
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