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15:59:01 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:59:02 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
15:59:05 <pchampin> agenda: https://beta.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230601T120000/#agenda
15:59:06 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:59:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Scribe: Patel-Schneider, Peter (alternate: Champin, Pierre-Antoine)
15:59:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:59:06 <agendabot> agenda+ Update on "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
15:59:07 <agendabot> agenda+ Use Case Task Force Review
15:59:10 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at  -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:59:13 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at  -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:59:16 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
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16:00:31 <gkellogg> present+
16:00:33 <pfps> present+
16:00:37 <pfps> scribe+
16:00:38 <ktk> present+
16:01:00 <TallTed> present+
16:01:18 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:01:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:01:26 <TallTed> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:01:27 <ora> present+
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16:01:39 <ora> chair+
16:01:51 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html
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16:01:59 <TallTed> scribe-
16:02:00 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/06/08-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:02:01 <AZ> present+
16:02:05 <pchampin> present+
16:02:12 <Dominik_T> present+
16:02:46 <gtw> present+
16:02:50 <TallTed> meeting: RDF-star WG Weekly Meeting
16:02:55 <ktk> Regrets: Enrico
16:02:58 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:03:17 <AndyS> present+
16:03:26 <Tpt> present+
16:03:43 <TallTed> scribe- TallTed
16:03:53 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:04:30 <pfps> zakim, next agenda item
16:04:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Scribe: Patel-Schneider, Peter (alternate: Champin, Pierre-Antoine) -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:04:30 <TallTed> scribe: pfps
16:04:30 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:04:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:04:51 <pfps> zakim, next agenda item
16:04:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, pfps
16:05:03 <pfps> zakim, next agenda item please
16:05:03 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, pfps
16:05:13 <pchampin> zakim, close item
16:05:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', pchampin
16:05:26 <pchampin> zakim, close item 1
16:05:26 <Zakim> agendum 1, Scribe: Patel-Schneider, Peter (alternate: Champin, Pierre-Antoine), closed
16:05:28 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:05:28 <Zakim> 2. Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html [from agendabot]
16:05:37 <pfps> zakim, next item
16:05:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:05:38 <pchampin> zakim, next item
16:05:40 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, pchampin
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16:06:13 <pfps> ora: any concerns on the last minutes
16:06:16 <olaf> present+
16:06:39 <pfps> atk: lots of fixes were done to the minutes, thanks
16:06:41 <ora> proposal: approve last week's minutes
16:06:48 <pfps> s/atk/ktk/
16:06:55 <pfps> +1
16:06:56 <ora> +1
16:06:57 <pchampin> +1
16:06:57 <gkellogg> +1
16:07:02 <Dominik_T> +1
16:07:02 <gtw> +1
16:07:03 <ktk> +1
16:07:07 <AZ> +1
16:07:21 <TallTed> +0
16:07:22 <olaf> +1
16:07:23 <AndyS> +1
16:07:25 <Tpt> +1
16:07:30 <ora> resolved: approve last week's minutes
16:07:43 <pfps> zakim, next item
16:07:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Update on "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:08:28 <pchampin> q+
16:08:28 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:08:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:08:36 <pfps> ora: what is status of working drafts - some things needed to be fixed
16:08:48 <pfps> ktk: Semantics and Entailments were not published
16:08:52 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/transitions/issues/511#issuecomment-1572314170
16:09:04 <ora> ack pchampin
16:09:28 <pfps> pchampin: they are officially approved for publication on 6/6
16:09:30 <gkellogg> q+
16:09:39 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:09:45 <pfps> pchampin:  snapshots have been generated
16:10:27 <pchampin> q+
16:10:31 <pfps> gkellogg: there is a draft PR for common that fixes several things
16:10:33 <ora> ack pchampin
16:10:50 <pfps> gkellogg:  I'll put them in for all documents
16:11:05 <ktk> q+
16:11:26 <pfps> pchampin:  the last two FPWDs have snapshots so this can be done now
16:11:30 <ora> ack ktk
16:11:43 <ktk> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2023May/0066.html
16:12:03 <pfps> ktk: email to working group on living standard was sent out
16:12:38 <pfps> ora: we can point to this email when someone wants to comment on living standard status
16:12:44 <gkellogg> q+
16:12:46 <TallTed> q+
16:12:57 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:13:07 <pchampin> q++
16:13:12 <pchampin> q+
16:13:21 <ora> ack TallTed
16:13:25 <pchampin> q-+
16:13:28 <pfps> gkellogg: the next step is to enable Echidna so that updates are pushed out automatically
16:13:41 <ktk> regrets+ Doerthe
16:14:07 <pfps> tallted: what was the discussion last week about SPARQL 1.2 and SPARQL NEXT
16:14:07 <ora> ack pchampin
16:14:20 <gkellogg> q+ to ask about short-name aliases for older versions of the specs
16:14:46 <AndyS> SPARQL-next is the proposed CG rename.
16:15:04 <pfps> pchampin: Echidna is configured - I suspect that there needs to be a WG decision to point to before it can go live
16:15:12 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:15:12 <Zakim> gkellogg, you wanted to ask about short-name aliases for older versions of the specs
16:15:13 <pfps> pchampin:  I will follow up
16:15:45 <pfps> gkellogg: we need to come up with something on short names
16:15:56 <pfps> pchampin:  it's on my list
16:16:05 <pfps> zakim, next item
16:16:05 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Use Case Task Force Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:16:25 <ktk> scribe+
16:17:11 <ktk> pfps: Some use cases are on the repositories, none of them are ideal. if you care about the use cases, comment on the issues. If you want a separate use case create a new issue.
16:17:52 <ktk> ... I think we start the process now. We have to start working on it now. Thomas Loertsch agreed to work on one but he is not on the TF.
16:18:29 <ktk> ... Posts to the list: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2023May/0071.html
16:18:30 <pfps> s/TF/WG?
16:18:37 <pfps> s/TF/WG/
16:18:37 <ktk> ... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-star-wg/2023May/0072.html
16:19:01 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:19:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:19:16 <ktk> ... That's about it, please help with use-cases.
16:19:25 <ktk> ... If you help early you get to pick the use cases.
16:19:35 <ktk> ... If it becomes too much for me I will try to assign people.
16:19:55 <ktk> ora: I will pick some and get back to you with question.
16:19:59 <ktk> pfps: please do so
16:20:03 <TallTed> s|s/TF/WG?||
16:20:14 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:20:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:20:51 <ktk> pfps: It can be difficult to find email-address of the original submiters. I pinged some with the github handle, that worked at least for one.
16:21:05 <pfps> zakim, next item
16:21:05 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Review of open actions, available at  -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:21:06 <ktk> scribe-
16:21:16 <pfps> scribe+
16:22:01 <pfps> ora: no progress on conformance
16:22:17 <pfps> ora: I'll discuss with Antoine
16:22:51 <pfps> ora: echindna is in progress
16:23:05 <pfps> pchampin: short names has to be done
16:23:54 <pfps> zakim, next item
16:23:54 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Review of pull requests, available at  -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:24:08 <gkellogg> q+
16:24:15 <olaf> q+
16:24:48 <pfps> ora: what about the CSS changes
16:25:06 <pfps> tallted: I commented on the issue
16:25:12 <olaf> q-
16:25:20 <pfps> tallted: changing font size is problematic
16:25:38 <pfps> pfps: was there a referral to the UI people at W3C
16:25:57 <pfps> pchampin: no
16:26:43 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:27:18 <pfps> gkellogg: change for XML Schema is marked differently - does it matter?
16:27:36 <AndyS> q+
16:28:20 <pfps> gkellogg: update to Turtle was waiting on semantics but could probably be done
16:28:33 <pfps> q+
16:28:39 <ora> ack AndyS
16:28:59 <pfps> andys: the XML schema is more impactful in SPARQL as it affects functions, etc.
16:29:43 <pfps> andys: the XML schema links in SPARQL need work
16:30:12 <ora> ack pfps
16:30:14 <ora> q+
16:30:25 <pfps> andys: changes for XML 1.1 are corner cases (year 0, some canonical forms)
16:30:35 <pfps> q-
16:30:38 <ora> ack ora
16:30:46 <Tpt> q+
16:31:08 <pfps> ora: how should we describe the changes
16:31:37 <pfps> andys: it's not XML 1.1 in total
16:32:15 <pfps> andys: the changes are minor and implementations may already be on 1.1
16:32:36 <pfps> andys: links generally already go to 1.1
16:32:47 <ora> ack Tpt
16:32:52 <pfps> andys:  something useful will go in the change log
16:33:50 <pfps> tpt: there isn't much change from 1.0 to 1.1 in XML Schema
16:34:43 <olaf> q+
16:34:45 <pfps> andys: there are some issues related to timezones - there are pointers to different descriptions
16:35:03 <ora> ack olaf
16:35:32 <pfps> olaf: floating point is still an issue - I'll work on it this weekend
16:36:50 <pfps> andys: there should be a way of tracking what is done here and making sure that everything is done
16:37:42 <pfps> ora: the editorial ones can be merged
16:37:58 <pfps> gkellogg: i'll reflect the Turtle changes in Trig
16:38:09 <TallTed> building off https://github.com/w3c/rdf-turtle/pull/27 ?
16:38:27 <pfps> gkellogg: yes
16:39:00 <pfps> tallted: including more information in the dashboard would be useful
16:39:14 <AndyS> q+
16:39:23 <pfps> gkellogg: the repository is already there
16:39:46 <ora> ack AndyS
16:39:57 <pfps> tallted: it would be better to have more information in titles of PRs
16:40:38 <pfps> gkellogg: HTML from ?BNF needs some work
16:40:47 <pfps> andys: indeed
16:40:56 <pfps> gkellogg: I'll work on it
16:41:09 <pfps> zakim, next item
16:41:09 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:41:36 <pchampin> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dxwg-wg/2023May/0032.html
16:41:56 <TallTed> q+ to clarify CG name change RDF-next and RDF-12
16:42:29 <pfps> pchampin: the dataset exchange working group has something on profile-based content negotiation
16:42:59 <pfps> pchampin: this seems relevant for this working group
16:43:35 <TallTed> q+ to suggest correcting Rob Atkinson's references to `RDF*` rather than `RDF-star`
16:43:43 <pfps> pchampin: perhaps to switch between classic and quoted-friendly
16:44:14 <ktk> q+
16:44:36 <pfps> pchampin: there will be a call on June 14 1pm CEST and people can ask to join
16:45:09 <pfps> ora: classic vs quoted is a use case for this
16:45:24 <pfps> tallted: can this be added to our calendar
16:45:33 <pfps> pchampin: yes
16:45:35 <pfps> ora: do it
16:45:41 <ktk> ack TallTed
16:45:41 <Zakim> TallTed, you wanted to clarify CG name change RDF-next and RDF-12 and to suggest correcting Rob Atkinson's references to `RDF*` rather than `RDF-star`
16:46:01 <ora> ack TallTed
16:46:35 <pfps> tallted: we need to get people to change from RDF* to RDF-star
16:46:40 <pfps> ora: yes
16:47:05 <pfps> tallted: what is the change to the SPARQL group?
16:47:24 <pchampin> as a matter of fact, I did recently correct someoneusing "RDF*"; they responded that the "*" was ACTUALLY an asterisk (for a footnote) :-)
16:47:38 <pfps> tallted: if it is SPARQL NEXT then the readme should be carefully crafted
16:47:45 <ora> ack ktk
16:48:29 <pfps> ktk: we need something that is not specific, particularly is there is a living standard
16:48:51 <ora> s/is there is/if there is
16:48:53 <pfps> tallted:  what about "beyond what the RDF-star WG does"
16:49:20 <pfps> andys: renaming is delicate - some things can't be done
16:49:34 <pfps> pchampin: I need to check what is possible
16:49:42 <gkellogg> q+
16:49:45 <olaf> s/someoneusing/someone using
16:50:22 <pfps> andys: some changes would force everyone to resubscribe, e.g., starting a new group
16:51:14 <pfps> ktk: changing the CGs readme is possible and should be done
16:51:23 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:52:39 <pfps> gkellogg: renaming on GitHub should be possible and old links will still work
16:53:10 <pfps> gtk: what are profiles? is there a definition somewhere?
16:53:32 <pfps> pchampin: there are deliverables including a language
16:53:52 <pfps> andys: there is an English definition
16:54:00 <pfps> s/gtk/ktk/
16:54:06 <pchampin> https://www.w3.org/TR/dx-prof/#definitions
16:54:11 <pfps> ktk: this will be important at some time
16:54:40 <pfps> pchampin:  this is a data profile, not exactly what we need
16:54:46 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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16:54:55 <AZ> Def. of profile in connegp is https://w3c.github.io/dx-connegp/connegp/#dfn-profile
16:55:19 <pfps> ora: time
16:55:29 <pfps> ora: any parting works
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16:56:05 <pfps> ktk: I will be 30 minutes late next week
16:57:51 <TallTed> re RDF* with "an asterisk (for a footnote)", they should be advised to use a dagger instead (like `†` or `‡`)
16:58:50 <pfps> i|0032|subtopic: profile-based content negotiation
16:59:43 <pfps> i|clarify|subtopic: SPARQL 1.2 community group
16:59:49 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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