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14:02:38 <tzviya> Meeting: Publishing CG Ed
14:02:42 <tzviya> Chair: PaulB_
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14:02:50 <tzviya> Date: 2023-05-31
14:02:59 <tzviya> zakim, start the meeting
14:02:59 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:03:01 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), tzviya
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14:03:50 <PaulB_> scribenick: SueNeu
14:04:02 <tzviya> present_ jamesY, duga, gautier, PaulB_, SueNeu, wolfgang
14:04:07 <SueNeu> present+
14:04:08 <tzviya> present+ Ibal
14:04:25 <SueNeu> scribe: SueNeu
14:04:44 <tzviya> present + Ludovic
14:04:52 <tzviya> present -Ibal
14:04:59 <SueNeu> Gautier: in previous meetings we have talked about what is possible with epub...
14:05:04 <PaulB_> agenda+ • Demo/Discussion with Ludovic, EPUB developer for Canopé
14:05:28 <SueNeu> and we wanted to get an idea of what is possible so we have invited Ludovik
14:05:45 <SueNeu> ... I will translate for him
14:05:49 <tzviya> zakim, take up 1
14:05:49 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up 1', tzviya
14:05:54 <tzviya> zakim, take up next
14:05:54 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- • Demo/Discussion with Ludovic, EPUB developer for Canopé -- taken up [from PaulB_]
14:07:21 <SueNeu> Ludovic: I am a developer for Canopé
14:08:17 <SueNeu> Ludovic: I also do training books and video and the work I will be presenting is from another publishing house that last year started doing epub files
14:08:54 <SueNeu> Ludovic: The first problem I see for teachers using an Epub resource is wanting a print version, they can't print it…
14:09:20 <SueNeu> the teaching community isn't sufficiently familiar with the possibilities of epub…
14:09:38 <SueNeu> with the spine, I have all the tools I need, I don't feel limited in my options
14:09:58 <SueNeu> …a small limit is what is supported by reading systems…
14:10:07 <SueNeu> I must test on all systems
14:10:54 <SueNeu> We try to demonstrate what I have done but it doesn't always look good in video because of lag
14:11:13 <SueNeu> Lucovic: demonstration starts
14:12:46 <SueNeu> Ludovic: there is a page where you can set your preferences like font and background, and the images…
14:13:38 <SueNeu> this is not part of the reading system. The idea is that the epub can accomodate different reading need…
14:14:02 <SueNeu> Paul: ARe those adjustments to the illustrations for people whose vision is limited?
14:14:25 <SueNeu> Gautier: it is so there are fewer distractions and people can focus
14:15:28 <SueNeu> Gautier: there is a pre-recorded voice, human narration, that doesn't work through zoom
14:15:58 <SueNeu> Ludovic: I was not able to use a media overlay because this is a reflowable book
14:16:48 <tzviya> q+ to ask about input formats
14:16:53 <SueNeu> On each page you can zoom, eliminate or soften each individual element, or change your color/black and white setting
14:17:32 <SueNeu> Ludovic: there is also a sound for bat wings flapping
14:17:53 <SueNeu> Ludovic: SVG animation and interaction are through javascript
14:18:48 <SueNeu> Ludovic: the SVG is outputed from Adobe Illustrator, worked by hand, animation is inside the SVG activated by javascript
14:18:55 <duga> q+
14:20:10 <SueNeu> Ludovic: for some years I have built some javascript and epub tools
14:20:25 <SueNeu> demonstration ends
14:21:03 <tzviya> ack me
14:21:03 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to ask about input formats
14:21:05 <SueNeu> Tzviya: Are each of these built by hand? Is there anyway to do this at scale?
14:22:24 <SueNeu> Ludovic: For this one, it was made image by image, so it takes a lot of time and may not scale…
14:22:48 <SueNeu> some of the other books or functionalities would be easier to industrialize
14:23:23 <PaulB_> ack duga
14:23:25 <SueNeu> Brandy: Are the images and text all html?
14:23:36 <SueNeu> Lucovic: the text is html and svg for images
14:23:41 <PaulB_> q+
14:24:11 <SueNeu> Brady: do the controls in the ebook conflict with reading system controls?
14:25:31 <SueNeu> Lucovic: It works pretty well with all the reading systems we tested. That is why we limit changing the fonts and the font size
14:26:00 <SueNeu> Brady: I'm excited to take some of these ideas back to the fixed layout accessibility group
14:26:13 <CharlesL> q+
14:27:08 <SueNeu> Ludovic: Paul: this is a really engaging demonstration. Could Ludovic post a direct link to the book so we can get the full experience?
14:27:11 <duga> +1 to Paul's request
14:27:21 <PaulB_> ack PaulB
14:28:20 <SueNeu> Ludovic: the book is on sale, so access must be through the publisher, I will ask if we can share it or parts of it…
14:28:47 <SueNeu> Charles: If you wanted to use a screen reader, how does it behave on the images and text portions?
14:28:58 <PaulB_> ack CharlsL
14:29:16 <PaulB_> ack CharlesL
14:29:53 <SueNeu> Ludovic: [demos screen reader that reads text and describes image]
14:30:35 <SueNeu> Charles: If you don't use the read now/human narrator, what will be the experience?
14:31:49 <SueNeu> Ludovic: I have not tested with a screen reader but I'm using best practices so it should be fine…
14:32:17 <SueNeu> previously had someone testing for me with screen readers and usually it was fine, except some difficulties with voice over on IOS
14:33:02 <SueNeu> Gautier: for a while Ludovic worked with braille files, and has knowledge of blind reading
14:33:32 <SueNeu> Paul: thank you very much for joining us today
14:33:48 <PaulB_> agenda+ Preview of Edu-TF meeting with Boston EdTech Community
14:35:58 <SueNeu> Paul: the other agenda item, the Boston Edtech community meetup group will focus on this edu task force…
14:36:01 <tzviya> zakim, take up next
14:36:01 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Preview of Edu-TF meeting with Boston EdTech Community -- taken up [from PaulB_]
14:36:29 <SueNeu> this is a good opportunity to expose these people, who are working in startups, to the W3C group…
14:36:46 <PaulB_> https://www.meetup.com/boston-edtech-meetup/events/293702713/
14:36:50 <gautier> link to the french version of the book presented by Ludovic: https://www.epagine.fr/ebook/9782365931441-emile-veut-une-chauve-souris-vincent-cuvellier-ronan-badel/ (english version to be added by mail once I get a link).
14:36:53 <SueNeu> the Boston Edtech group may be a souce of ideas for this group
14:37:19 <SueNeu> Paul: shared a link, join us if you can, and I will summarize this at the next meeting
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14:37:47 <PaulB_> rrsagent, make logs public
14:37:55 <PaulB_> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:37:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/31-pcg-ed-minutes.html PaulB_
14:38:03 <SueNeu> q+
14:38:04 <PaulB_> zakim, end meeting
14:38:05 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been duga, tzviya, CharlesL, gautier, SueNeu, Ibal
14:38:05 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:38:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/31-pcg-ed-minutes.html Zakim
14:38:12 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, PaulB_; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
14:38:12 <SueNeu> q-
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14:38:18 <PaulB_> rrsagent, bye
14:38:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items