IRC log of pcg-ed on 2023-05-31

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Meeting: Publishing CG Ed

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Chair: PaulB_

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Date: 2023-05-31

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zakim, start the meeting

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RRSAgent, make logs Public

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), tzviya

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present+

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present+

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scribenick: SueNeu

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present_ jamesY, duga, gautier, PaulB_, SueNeu, wolfgang

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present+

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present+ Ibal

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scribe: SueNeu

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present + Ludovic

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present -Ibal

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Gautier: in previous meetings we have talked about what is possible with epub...

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agenda+ • Demo/Discussion with Ludovic, EPUB developer for Canopé

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and we wanted to get an idea of what is possible so we have invited Ludovik

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... I will translate for him

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zakim, take up 1

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I don't understand 'take up 1', tzviya

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 1 -- • Demo/Discussion with Ludovic, EPUB developer for Canopé -- taken up [from PaulB_]

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Ludovic: I am a developer for Canopé

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Ludovic: I also do training books and video and the work I will be presenting is from another publishing house that last year started doing epub files

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Ludovic: The first problem I see for teachers using an Epub resource is wanting a print version, they can't print it…

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the teaching community isn't sufficiently familiar with the possibilities of epub…

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with the spine, I have all the tools I need, I don't feel limited in my options

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…a small limit is what is supported by reading systems…

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I must test on all systems

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We try to demonstrate what I have done but it doesn't always look good in video because of lag

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Lucovic: demonstration starts

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Ludovic: there is a page where you can set your preferences like font and background, and the images…

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this is not part of the reading system. The idea is that the epub can accomodate different reading need…

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Paul: ARe those adjustments to the illustrations for people whose vision is limited?

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Gautier: it is so there are fewer distractions and people can focus

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Gautier: there is a pre-recorded voice, human narration, that doesn't work through zoom

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Ludovic: I was not able to use a media overlay because this is a reflowable book

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q+ to ask about input formats

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On each page you can zoom, eliminate or soften each individual element, or change your color/black and white setting

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Ludovic: there is also a sound for bat wings flapping

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Ludovic: SVG animation and interaction are through javascript

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Ludovic: the SVG is outputed from Adobe Illustrator, worked by hand, animation is inside the SVG activated by javascript

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q+

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Ludovic: for some years I have built some javascript and epub tools

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demonstration ends

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ack me

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tzviya, you wanted to ask about input formats

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Tzviya: Are each of these built by hand? Is there anyway to do this at scale?

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Ludovic: For this one, it was made image by image, so it takes a lot of time and may not scale…

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some of the other books or functionalities would be easier to industrialize

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ack duga

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Brandy: Are the images and text all html?

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Lucovic: the text is html and svg for images

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q+

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Brady: do the controls in the ebook conflict with reading system controls?

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Lucovic: It works pretty well with all the reading systems we tested. That is why we limit changing the fonts and the font size

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Brady: I'm excited to take some of these ideas back to the fixed layout accessibility group

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q+

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Ludovic: Paul: this is a really engaging demonstration. Could Ludovic post a direct link to the book so we can get the full experience?

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+1 to Paul's request

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ack PaulB

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Ludovic: the book is on sale, so access must be through the publisher, I will ask if we can share it or parts of it…

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Charles: If you wanted to use a screen reader, how does it behave on the images and text portions?

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ack CharlsL

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ack CharlesL

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Ludovic: [demos screen reader that reads text and describes image]

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Charles: If you don't use the read now/human narrator, what will be the experience?

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Ludovic: I have not tested with a screen reader but I'm using best practices so it should be fine…

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previously had someone testing for me with screen readers and usually it was fine, except some difficulties with voice over on IOS

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Gautier: for a while Ludovic worked with braille files, and has knowledge of blind reading

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Paul: thank you very much for joining us today

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agenda+ Preview of Edu-TF meeting with Boston EdTech Community

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Paul: the other agenda item, the Boston Edtech community meetup group will focus on this edu task force…

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 2 -- Preview of Edu-TF meeting with Boston EdTech Community -- taken up [from PaulB_]

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this is a good opportunity to expose these people, who are working in startups, to the W3C group…

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https://www.meetup.com/boston-edtech-meetup/events/293702713/

14:36:50 [gautier]

link to the french version of the book presented by Ludovic: https://www.epagine.fr/ebook/9782365931441-emile-veut-une-chauve-souris-vincent-cuvellier-ronan-badel/ (english version to be added by mail once I get a link).

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the Boston Edtech group may be a souce of ideas for this group

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Paul: shared a link, join us if you can, and I will summarize this at the next meeting

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rrsagent, make logs public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/31-pcg-ed-minutes.html PaulB_

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q+

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zakim, end meeting

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As of this point the attendees have been duga, tzviya, CharlesL, gautier, SueNeu, Ibal

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/31-pcg-ed-minutes.html Zakim

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I am happy to have been of service, PaulB_; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye

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q-

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rrsagent, bye

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I see no action items