IRC log of forms on 2023-05-26

Timestamps are in UTC.

13:34:13 [RRSAgent]
RRSAgent has joined #forms
13:34:17 [RRSAgent]
logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/05/26-forms-irc
13:34:17 [trackbot]
RRSAgent, make logs public
13:34:18 [Zakim]
Zakim has joined #forms
13:34:18 [trackbot]
Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:34:18 [trackbot]
Date: 26 May 2023
13:35:19 [Steven]
Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0006
13:35:23 [Steven]
Chair: Steven
13:36:24 [Steven]
Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/12-forms-minutes
13:37:56 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
13:37:57 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/26-forms-minutes.html Steven
13:57:48 [Alain]
Alain has joined #forms
13:59:54 [ebruchez]
ebruchez has joined #forms
14:00:47 [Steven]
Topic: Call next week
14:00:47 [Steven]
[Regrets: Clashes with MarkupUK]
14:00:56 [Steven]
Steven: I'm at MarkupUK
14:01:12 [Steven]
... next week's call is postponed
14:01:28 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2338: Implement the common/context attribute sets
14:01:28 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Mar/0002
14:01:28 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0004.html
14:01:54 [Steven]
Close ACTION-2338
14:01:54 [trackbot]
Closed ACTION-2338.
14:02:06 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2339: Fix incorrect function signatures, using numeric
14:02:06 [Steven]
(Alain)
14:02:06 [Steven]
https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module
14:02:06 [Steven]
Alain to check. Erik and Steven to check
14:02:34 [Steven]
https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/index.php?title=XPath_Expressions_Module&type=revision&diff=2651&oldid=1780
14:03:06 [Steven]
ACTION: Steven update function signatures in spec
14:03:14 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2341 - Update function signatures in spec [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-06-02].
14:03:25 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
14:03:25 [Steven]
mirroring (Steven)
14:03:49 [Steven]
Topic: ACTION-2330: (Steven) Write some example forms communicating with
14:03:49 [Steven]
each other
14:03:49 [Steven]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0005.html
14:04:20 [Steven]
[We read]
14:09:49 [Steven]
Erik: In case 1a, there is no reason not to allow capture and bubble.
14:10:18 [Steven]
... but in 1b it would be weird to have capture and bubble.
14:10:26 [Steven]
... but I have to convince myself.
14:11:23 [Steven]
Erik: 2 and 3 are just different ways of specifying the same thing.
14:11:34 [Steven]
Steven: The idea is that they are all effectively equivalent
14:11:44 [Steven]
Erik: There could also be a mix of the two.
14:12:32 [Steven]
... so 1a is OK. So the child to parent needs thinking about.
14:13:03 [Steven]
... On the one hand is the dispatching, the other is the listening.
14:13:13 [Steven]
Steven: YOu can listen to the control or interface elements
14:13:28 [Steven]
s/YO/Yo
14:14:45 [Steven]
Alain: There is only one interface element
14:16:10 [Steven]
... so does it need an id?
14:16:31 [Steven]
Steven: Indeed, not if we accept the Erik's 1a position
14:22:09 [Steven]
Erik: We have a tradeoff between two things that are not ideal
14:26:27 [Steven]
... but maybe there isn't a drawback to capture and bubble on both sides
14:27:44 [Steven]
... retargeting would mean that you needed a new event. That might be fine if it simplifies other things.
14:28:25 [Steven]
... there are some changes needed anyway, though, such as context information which changes on crossing the boundaies
14:28:33 [Steven]
s/aies/aries/
14:29:49 [Steven]
Steven: Doesn't that suggest that solution 3 would be easier, because the event only occurs on the receiver side, not on the sender side.
14:29:55 [Steven]
Erik: Good point
14:31:13 [Steven]
... do we have a scenario where we we communicate with a built in form control using an event
14:31:34 [Steven]
Steven: Set-focus?
14:31:38 [Steven]
Erik: Toggle?
14:31:56 [Steven]
... you use an event to instruct a control
14:33:35 [Steven]
... If you do it using javascript you don't have it, because you can set listeneres.
14:34:49 [Steven]
... we do it slightly differently using a special value of ids.
14:36:16 [Steven]
Alain: My favourite is 3 as well as Steven, because it is easier to check the form is correct
14:36:42 [Steven]
Steven: I like 3 because nothing else changes. We just say the event emerges in the other place.
14:37:31 [Steven]
ACTION: Steven to spec the event communication for further discussion.
14:37:31 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-2342 - Spec the event communication for further discussion. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-06-02].
14:38:03 [Steven]
Topic: AOB
14:38:10 [Steven]
[None]
14:38:41 [Steven]
Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:38:46 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutesw
14:38:46 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutesw', Steven. Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:38:49 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:51 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/26-forms-minutes.html Steven
23:04:24 [ebruchez]
ebruchez has joined #forms
23:29:28 [ebruchez]
ebruchez has joined #forms