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13:34:18 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
13:34:18 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2023
13:35:19 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0006
13:35:23 <Steven> Chair: Steven
13:36:24 <Steven> Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/12-forms-minutes
13:37:56 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:37:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/26-forms-minutes.html Steven
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14:00:47 <Steven> Topic: Call next week
14:00:47 <Steven> [Regrets: Clashes with MarkupUK]
14:00:56 <Steven> Steven: I'm at MarkupUK
14:01:12 <Steven> ... next week's call is postponed
14:01:28 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2338: Implement the common/context attribute sets
14:01:28 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Mar/0002
14:01:28 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0004.html
14:01:54 <Steven> Close ACTION-2338
14:01:54 <trackbot> Closed ACTION-2338.
14:02:06 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2339: Fix incorrect function signatures, using numeric
14:02:06 <Steven> (Alain)
14:02:06 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module
14:02:06 <Steven> Alain to check. Erik and Steven to check
14:02:34 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/index.php?title=XPath_Expressions_Module&type=revision&diff=2651&oldid=1780
14:03:06 <Steven> ACTION: Steven update function signatures in spec
14:03:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2341 - Update function signatures in spec [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-06-02].
14:03:25 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
14:03:25 <Steven> mirroring (Steven)
14:03:49 <Steven> Topic: ACTION-2330: (Steven) Write some example forms communicating with
14:03:49 <Steven> each other
14:03:49 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0005.html
14:04:20 <Steven> [We read]
14:09:49 <Steven> Erik: In case 1a, there is no reason not to allow capture and bubble.
14:10:18 <Steven> ... but in 1b it would be weird to have capture and bubble.
14:10:26 <Steven> ... but I have to convince myself.
14:11:23 <Steven> Erik: 2 and 3 are just different ways of specifying the same thing.
14:11:34 <Steven> Steven: The idea is that they are all effectively equivalent
14:11:44 <Steven> Erik: There could also be a mix of the two.
14:12:32 <Steven> ... so 1a is OK. So the child to parent needs thinking about.
14:13:03 <Steven> ... On the one hand is the dispatching, the other is the listening.
14:13:13 <Steven> Steven: YOu can listen to the control or interface elements
14:13:28 <Steven> s/YO/Yo
14:14:45 <Steven> Alain: There is only one interface element
14:16:10 <Steven> ... so does it need an id?
14:16:31 <Steven> Steven: Indeed, not if we accept the Erik's 1a position
14:22:09 <Steven> Erik: We have a tradeoff between two things that are not ideal
14:26:27 <Steven> ... but maybe there isn't a drawback to capture and bubble on both sides
14:27:44 <Steven> ... retargeting would mean that you needed a new event. That might be fine if it simplifies other things.
14:28:25 <Steven> ... there are some changes needed anyway, though, such as context information which changes on crossing the boundaies
14:28:33 <Steven> s/aies/aries/
14:29:49 <Steven> Steven: Doesn't that suggest that solution 3 would be easier, because the event only occurs on the receiver side, not on the sender side.
14:29:55 <Steven> Erik: Good point
14:31:13 <Steven> ... do we have a scenario where we we communicate with a built in form control using an event
14:31:34 <Steven> Steven: Set-focus?
14:31:38 <Steven> Erik: Toggle?
14:31:56 <Steven> ... you use an event to instruct a control
14:33:35 <Steven> ... If you do it using javascript you don't have it, because you can set listeneres.
14:34:49 <Steven> ... we do it slightly differently using a special value of ids.
14:36:16 <Steven> Alain: My favourite is 3 as well as Steven, because it is easier to check the form is correct
14:36:42 <Steven> Steven: I like 3 because nothing else changes. We just say the event emerges in the other place.
14:37:31 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to spec the event communication for further discussion.
14:37:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2342 - Spec the event communication for further discussion. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-06-02].
14:38:03 <Steven> Topic: AOB
14:38:10 <Steven> [None]
14:38:41 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
14:38:46 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutesw
14:38:46 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make minutesw', Steven.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:38:49 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
14:38:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/26-forms-minutes.html Steven
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