IRC log of forms on 2023-05-26
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- Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
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- Date: 26 May 2023
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0006
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- Chair: Steven
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- Previous Meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/12-forms-minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/26-forms-minutes.html Steven
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- 14:00:47 [Steven]
- Topic: Call next week
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- [Regrets: Clashes with MarkupUK]
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- Steven: I'm at MarkupUK
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- ... next week's call is postponed
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- Topic: ACTION-2338: Implement the common/context attribute sets
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023Mar/0002
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0004.html
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- Close ACTION-2338
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- Closed ACTION-2338.
- 14:02:06 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION-2339: Fix incorrect function signatures, using numeric
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- (Alain)
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- https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XPath_Expressions_Module
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- Alain to check. Erik and Steven to check
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- https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/index.php?title=XPath_Expressions_Module&type=revision&diff=2651&oldid=1780
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- ACTION: Steven update function signatures in spec
- 14:03:14 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2341 - Update function signatures in spec [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-06-02].
- 14:03:25 [Steven]
- Topic: ACTION-2314: Compose text that matches the <control/> discussion for
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- mirroring (Steven)
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- Topic: ACTION-2330: (Steven) Write some example forms communicating with
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- each other
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2023May/0005.html
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- [We read]
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- Erik: In case 1a, there is no reason not to allow capture and bubble.
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- ... but in 1b it would be weird to have capture and bubble.
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- ... but I have to convince myself.
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- Erik: 2 and 3 are just different ways of specifying the same thing.
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- Steven: The idea is that they are all effectively equivalent
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- Erik: There could also be a mix of the two.
- 14:12:32 [Steven]
- ... so 1a is OK. So the child to parent needs thinking about.
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- ... On the one hand is the dispatching, the other is the listening.
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- Steven: YOu can listen to the control or interface elements
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- s/YO/Yo
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- Alain: There is only one interface element
- 14:16:10 [Steven]
- ... so does it need an id?
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- Steven: Indeed, not if we accept the Erik's 1a position
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- Erik: We have a tradeoff between two things that are not ideal
- 14:26:27 [Steven]
- ... but maybe there isn't a drawback to capture and bubble on both sides
- 14:27:44 [Steven]
- ... retargeting would mean that you needed a new event. That might be fine if it simplifies other things.
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- ... there are some changes needed anyway, though, such as context information which changes on crossing the boundaies
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- s/aies/aries/
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- Steven: Doesn't that suggest that solution 3 would be easier, because the event only occurs on the receiver side, not on the sender side.
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- Erik: Good point
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- ... do we have a scenario where we we communicate with a built in form control using an event
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- Steven: Set-focus?
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- Erik: Toggle?
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- ... you use an event to instruct a control
- 14:33:35 [Steven]
- ... If you do it using javascript you don't have it, because you can set listeneres.
- 14:34:49 [Steven]
- ... we do it slightly differently using a special value of ids.
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- Alain: My favourite is 3 as well as Steven, because it is easier to check the form is correct
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- Steven: I like 3 because nothing else changes. We just say the event emerges in the other place.
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- ACTION: Steven to spec the event communication for further discussion.
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- Created ACTION-2342 - Spec the event communication for further discussion. [on Steven Pemberton - due 2023-06-02].
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- Topic: AOB
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- [None]
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- Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
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