W3C

– DRAFT –
RDF-star WG weekly meeting

25 May 2023

Attendees

Present
AndyS, AZ, doerthe, enrico, gtw, ktk, olaf, ora, pchampin, pfps, rubensworks, Tpt
Regrets
dtomaszuk, gkellog, tallted
Chair
ora
Scribe
AndyS

Meeting minutes

<ktk> Zakim: help

<ktk> it was my bad, should work now

<ktk> I added the agenda to the wrong part of the event

<ktk> huh

<ktk> ok no idea what I do wrong

<ora> You are getting some attitude from Zakim.

<ktk> yeah :)

<ktk> won't read it from the event page today for some reason

<ktk> scribe AndyS

<ktk> chair ora

Visitor: Jerven Bolleman

Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter)

Approval of last week's minutes:

<pfps> Last meeting's minutes look fine to me.

ora: Last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html

<ora> proposal: approve previous minutes

<ktk> +1

<ora> +1

<rubensworks> +1

<pchampin> +0 (was not present)

<doerthe> +1

<olaf> +1

<gtw> +1

+1

<enrico> +1

<AZ> +1

RESOLUTION: approve previous minutes

Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)

ora: FPWD - issues with redirects

pfps: I use /rdf11-schema

AndyS: The schema doc uses the short name to deduce the last REC
… it is the only doc that does that.
… can put in the URl of the doc should be.

<AndyS> s/URi/URL/

pchampin: should separate two issues
… old docs using short name as if "rdf11-*"
… second - our docs to have no cycles.
… find a common recipe.

pfps: need the right changes for semantics and entailment

<ora> proposal: publish semantics and entailment docs asap

<ora> +1

<rubensworks> +1

<ktk> +1

<ora> proposal: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06

<ora> +1

<rubensworks> +1

<Tpt> +1

<pchampin> +1

+1

<doerthe> +1

<olaf> +1

<AZ> +1

<enrico> +1

<pfps> +1

<ktk> +1

RESOLUTION: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06

<pfps> hopefully someone will tell me what changes, if any, need to be made

pchampin: /TR not being the REC -- The docs were stable long term so the change has surprised some people.

ktk: Living standards came up.
… any statement we should be making?

ACTION: pchampin, fix broken links (to "latest rec") in old and new RDF/SPARQL TR docs

ora: should probably make statement
… send an email to the WG email list

pchampin: it is a choice to make in this WG. We're are not there yet. Needs to happen before REC.

ktk: agrees to send an email to the list

SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming

ora: more confusion re "SPARQL 1.2"

jerven: here to help with any renaming

ktk: sparql 1.2 came out of the Berlin workshop.
… now a confusion with this WG - but it is not the same.
… CG has w3c/sparql-12

<pchampin> and a good place for incubating "new features" if we opt for the living standard mode

pchampin: andys: short name in the URL is hard to change. Can rename github repo easily.
… the mailing list and signup is tied to the "1.2" name.
… mailinglist can be rename/or with an extra one so SPARQL 1.2 is only in the URL of the CG.

ora: can we have a link on the homepage?

<ktk> so the only remaining URL with 12 in it would be this one? https://www.w3.org/community/sparql-12/

<Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if we can have a redirect?

pchampin: need to check about redirect - may be possible.

ACTION: pchampin to check with sys team to have a redirect from community/sparql-next to community/sparql-12

<ghurlbot> Created action #62

ora: Ok for "sparql-next"?

<ora> proposal: rename to sparql-next, if feasible

<ktk> +1

+1

<ora> +1

<rubensworks> +1

<pfps> +1

<AZ> +1

<enrico> +1

<olaf> +1

<pchampin> +1

<doerthe> +1

<gtw> +1

RESOLUTION: rename to sparql-next, if feasible

<Tpt> +1

Review of open actions, available at

ora: Open actions https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20

<ghurlbot> Action 57 respond to W3C about TPAC meeting (on rdfguy) due 11 May 2023

<ktk> Close #57

ktk: TPAC - close action

<ghurlbot> Closed action #57

pchampin: echidna in progress

zkim, open item 6

Review of pull requests, available at

pfps: CSS changes
… thought was we'd wait for consensus was we were
… but seems to have been rolled out.
… maybe different versions in different repos.
… problems: harder to read on narrow tabs/screens
… font size change in tables

ora: tables + mobile => tricky

pfps: we seem to have tradedoff mobile devices against small screen appearance
… opinion - if a table is too wide, person viewing can reduce the font. Roughly same effect.
… rendering info on small screens is difficult : but we seem to have not arrived the right place.
… one problem is broken ids across lines.
… fixed resize rule for table font change.

ora: can we get advice from W3C?

pfps: also choice of colors.

pchampin: we can contact accessibility team

ora: who is the team contact for current CSS work?

ktk: can ping pchampin on the thread

ktk: will add UC TF to agenda next week

pfps: we have a real use case.
… going to send an email to the list

pchampin: to editors of semantics and entailment.
… OK to update the docs for FPWD?

pfps: need advice on the correct content for header.

<pchampin> s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//

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Summary of action items

  1. pchampin, fix broken links (to "latest rec") in old and new RDF/SPARQL TR docs
  2. pchampin to check with sys team to have a redirect from community/sparql-next to community/sparql-12

Summary of resolutions

  1. approve previous minutes
  2. publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
  3. rename to sparql-next, if feasible
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Maybe present: jerven, Visitor

All speakers: AndyS, jerven, ktk, ora, pchampin, pfps, Visitor

Active on IRC: AndyS, AZ, doerthe, enrico, gtw, ktk, olaf, ora, pchampin, pfps, rubensworks, Tpt