IRC log of rdf-star on 2023-05-25

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15:50:48 [ktk]
Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
15:51:29 [ktk]
agenda https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:52:23 [ktk]
topic: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:52:55 [ktk]
Zakim, agenda https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:52:55 [Zakim]
I don't understand you, ktk
15:53:02 [ktk]
Zakim: help
15:53:29 [ktk]
agenda?
15:54:48 [AndyS]
zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:54:48 [Zakim]
working on it, AndyS
15:54:49 [Zakim]
done reading agenda, AndyS
15:55:17 [AndyS]
zakim, agenda?
15:55:17 [Zakim]
I see nothing on the agenda
15:55:33 [ktk]
it was my bad, should work now
15:55:39 [ktk]
I added the agenda to the wrong part of the event
15:56:08 [ktk]
zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000#general
15:56:08 [Zakim]
working on it, ktk
15:56:09 [Zakim]
done reading agenda, ktk
15:56:26 [ktk]
zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000#agenda
15:56:26 [Zakim]
working on it, ktk
15:56:29 [Zakim]
done reading agenda, ktk
15:56:41 [ktk]
agenda?
15:56:43 [ktk]
huh
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15:57:53 [ktk]
zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000/#agenda
15:57:53 [Zakim]
working on it, ktk
15:57:54 [Zakim]
done reading agenda, ktk
15:57:57 [ktk]
agenda?
15:58:02 [ktk]
ok no idea what I do wrong
15:58:21 [ora]
You are getting some attitude from Zakim.
15:58:33 [ktk]
yeah :)
15:58:38 [ktk]
won't read it from the event page today for some reason
15:58:58 [ktk]
agenda+ 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter)
15:58:59 [ktk]
agenda+ 2. Approval of last week's minutes: [1]
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agenda+ 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
15:59:06 [ktk]
agenda+ 4. SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming
15:59:06 [ktk]
agenda+ 5. Review of open actions, available at [2]
15:59:06 [ktk]
agenda+ 6. Review of pull requests, available at [3]
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agenda+ 7. Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:59:17 [ktk]
agenda?
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16:00:44 [ktk]
Zakim, start this meeting
16:00:44 [Zakim]
RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:00:45 [Zakim]
please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ktk
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meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
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zakim, meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
16:01:16 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting', ktk
16:01:26 [ktk]
scribe AndyS
16:01:28 [pchampin]
previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:01:31 [ktk]
chair ora
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16:01:45 [pchampin]
next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:01:46 [pfps]
present+
16:01:49 [AZ]
present+
16:01:50 [pchampin]
present+
16:01:52 [ora]
present+
16:01:56 [gtw]
present+
16:01:58 [AndyS]
present+
16:02:00 [Tpt]
present+
16:02:03 [ktk]
regrets: gkellog, dtomaszuk
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present+
16:02:16 [ktk]
chair: ora
16:02:20 [ktk]
scribe: AndyS
16:02:26 [AndyS]
regrets: gkellogg
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present+
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Visitor: Jerven Bolleman
16:03:38 [ktk]
zakim, first item
16:03:38 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'first item', ktk
16:03:39 [olaf]
present+
16:03:44 [ktk]
zakim, item 1
16:03:44 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'item 1', ktk
16:03:58 [ktk]
zakim, open item 1
16:03:58 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:03:59 [rubensworks]
present+
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zakim, open item 2
16:04:06 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- 2. Approval of last week's minutes: -- taken up [from 1 via ktk]
16:04:11 [pfps]
Last week's minutes look fine to me.
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present+
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s/week/meeting/
16:05:04 [ktk]
regrets: tallted
16:05:37 [AndyS]
ora: Last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:05:45 [ora]
proposal: approve previous minutes
16:05:51 [ktk]
+1
16:05:52 [ora]
+1
16:06:10 [rubensworks]
+1
16:06:10 [pchampin]
+0 (was not present)
16:06:10 [doerthe]
+1
16:06:10 [olaf]
+1
16:06:11 [gtw]
+1
16:06:13 [AndyS]
+1
16:06:14 [enrico]
+1
16:06:16 [AZ]
+1
16:06:23 [ora]
resolved: approve previous minutes
16:06:32 [ktk]
zakim, open item 3
16:06:32 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:07:32 [AndyS]
ora: FPWD - issues with redirects
16:07:58 [AndyS]
q+
16:08:24 [AndyS]
pfps: I uses /rdf11-schema
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s/uses/use/
16:08:52 [rubensworks]
q+
16:09:00 [ora]
ack andys
16:09:23 [rubensworks]
q-
16:10:15 [AndyS]
AndyS: The schema doc uses the short name to deduce the last REC
16:10:25 [AndyS]
... it is the only doc that does that.
16:11:40 [AndyS]
... can put in the URl of the doc should be.
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s/URi/URL/
16:12:56 [pchampin]
q+
16:13:09 [ora]
ack pchampin
16:13:24 [AndyS]
pchampin: should separate two issues
16:13:42 [AndyS]
... old docs using short name as if "rdf11-*"
16:13:59 [AndyS]
... second - our docs to have no cycles.
16:14:12 [AndyS]
... find a common recipe.
16:15:16 [AndyS]
pfps: need the right changes for semantics and entailment
16:17:31 [ora]
proposal: publish semantics and entailment docs asap
16:17:34 [ora]
+1
16:17:40 [rubensworks]
+1
16:18:11 [ktk]
+1
16:18:41 [ora]
proposal: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
16:18:48 [ora]
+1
16:18:51 [rubensworks]
+1
16:18:52 [Tpt]
+1
16:18:55 [pchampin]
+1
16:18:57 [AndyS]
+1
16:18:57 [doerthe]
+1
16:18:58 [olaf]
+1
16:18:58 [AZ]
+1
16:18:59 [enrico]
+1
16:19:02 [pfps]
+1
16:19:06 [ktk]
+1
16:19:07 [AndyS]
q+
16:19:09 [ora]
resolution: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
16:19:12 [ora]
ack andys
16:19:21 [pfps]
hopefully someone will tell me what changes, if any, need to be made
16:19:40 [pchampin]
q+
16:19:49 [ora]
ack pchampin
16:21:06 [AndyS]
pchampin: /TR not being the REC -- The docs were stable long term so the change has surprised some people.
16:21:08 [ktk]
q+
16:21:15 [ora]
ack adrian
16:21:42 [AndyS]
ktk: Living standards came up.
16:21:56 [AndyS]
... any statement we should be making?
16:22:06 [pchampin]
action: pchampin, fix broken links (to "latest rec") in old and new RDF/SPARQL TR docs
16:22:14 [pchampin]
q+
16:22:27 [ora]
ack ktk
16:22:50 [AndyS]
ora: should probably make statement
16:22:56 [ora]
ack pchampin
16:22:59 [AndyS]
... send an email to the WG email list
16:23:48 [AndyS]
pchampin: it is a choice to make in this WG. We're are not there yet. Needs to happen before REC.
16:24:40 [AndyS]
ktk: agrees to send an email to the list
16:24:55 [AndyS]
zakim, next item
16:24:55 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:24:57 [AndyS]
zakim, next item
16:24:57 [Zakim]
agendum 1 was just opened, AndyS
16:25:03 [AndyS]
zakim, really next item
16:25:03 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'really next item', AndyS
16:25:12 [AndyS]
zakim, open item 3
16:25:12 [Zakim]
agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]
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zakim, open item 4
16:25:19 [Zakim]
agendum 4 -- 4. SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming -- taken up [from ktk]
16:25:58 [AndyS]
ora: more confusion re "SPARQL 1.2"
16:26:51 [ktk]
q+
16:26:58 [AndyS]
jerven: here to help with any renaming
16:27:04 [ora]
ack ktk
16:28:32 [AndyS]
ktk: sparql 1.2 came out of the Berlin workshop.
16:28:53 [AndyS]
... now a confusion with this WG - but it is not the same.
16:29:16 [AndyS]
... CG has https://github.com/w3c/sparql-12/
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q+
16:29:39 [ora]
ack andys
16:29:44 [pchampin]
and a good place for incubating "new features" if we opt for the living standard mode
16:32:23 [AndyS]
pchampin: andys: short name in the URL is hard to change. Can rename github repo easily.
16:32:58 [AndyS]
... the mailing list and signup is tied to the "1.2" name.
16:33:56 [AndyS]
... mailinglist can be rename/or with an extra one so SPARQL 1.2 is only in the URL of the CG.
16:34:14 [AndyS]
ora: can we have a link on the homepage?
16:34:17 [ktk]
so the only remaining URL with 12 in it would be this one? https://www.w3.org/community/sparql-12/
16:34:24 [AndyS]
q+ to ask if we can have a redirect?
16:34:51 [ora]
ack andys
16:34:51 [Zakim]
AndyS, you wanted to ask if we can have a redirect?
16:35:40 [AndyS]
pchampin: need to check about redirect - may be possible.
16:36:06 [pchampin]
action: pchampin to check with sys team to have a redirect from community/sparql-next to community/sparql-12
16:36:07 [ghurlbot]
Created -> action #62 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/62
16:36:58 [AndyS]
ora: Ok for "sparql-next"?
16:38:49 [ora]
proposal: rename to sparql-next, if feasible
16:38:56 [ktk]
+1
16:38:57 [AndyS]
+1
16:38:57 [ora]
+1
16:38:57 [rubensworks]
+1
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+1
16:39:00 [AZ]
+1
16:39:00 [enrico]
+1
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+1
16:39:02 [pchampin]
+1
16:39:02 [doerthe]
+1
16:39:12 [gtw]
+1
16:39:17 [ora]
resolution: rename to sparql-next, if feasible
16:39:19 [Tpt]
+1
16:40:57 [AndyS]
zakim, close item
16:40:57 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close item', AndyS
16:41:06 [AndyS]
zakim, next item
16:41:06 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:41:18 [AndyS]
zakim, open item 5
16:41:18 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- 5. Review of open actions, available at -- taken up [from 2 via ktk]
16:42:09 [AndyS]
ora: Open actions https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20
16:42:37 [ktk]
Zakim, close #57
16:42:37 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close #57', ktk
16:42:37 [ghurlbot]
https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57 -> Action 57 respond to W3C about TPAC meeting (on rdfguy) due 11 May 2023
16:43:01 [ktk]
Close #57
16:43:02 [AndyS]
ktk: TPAC - close action
16:43:02 [ghurlbot]
Closed -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57
16:44:28 [AndyS]
pchampin: echidna in progress
16:44:38 [AndyS]
zkim, open item 6
16:44:40 [AndyS]
zakim, open item 6
16:44:40 [Zakim]
agendum 6 -- 6. Review of pull requests, available at -- taken up [from 3 via ktk]
16:44:56 [pfps]
q+
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ack pfps
16:45:19 [AndyS]
pfps: CSS changes
16:45:46 [AndyS]
... thought was we'd wait for consensus was we were
16:45:57 [AndyS]
... but seems to have been rolled out.
16:46:09 [AndyS]
... maybe different versions in different repos.
16:46:32 [AndyS]
... problems: harder to read on narrow tabs/screens
16:46:48 [AndyS]
... font size change in tables
16:47:35 [AndyS]
ora: tables + mobile => tricky
16:48:24 [AndyS]
pfps: we seem to have tradedoff mobile devices against small screen appearance
16:49:11 [AndyS]
... opinion - if a table is too wide, person viewing can reduce the font. Roughly same effect.
16:50:01 [AndyS]
... rendering info on small screens is difficult : but we seem to have not arrived the right place.
16:50:51 [AndyS]
... one problem is broken ids across lines.
16:51:14 [AndyS]
... fixed resize rule for table font change.
16:51:31 [AndyS]
ora: can we get advice from W3C?
16:51:53 [AndyS]
pfps: also choice of colors.
16:52:10 [AndyS]
pchampin: we can contact accessibility team
16:52:41 [AndyS]
ora: who is the team contact for current CSS work?
16:53:37 [AndyS]
ktk: can ping pchampin on the thread
16:54:31 [AndyS]
ktk: will add UC TF to agenda next week
16:54:42 [AndyS]
pfps: we have a real use case.
16:54:58 [AndyS]
... going to send an email to the list
16:55:10 [pchampin]
q+
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ack pchampin
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pchampin: to editors of semantics and entailment.
16:55:53 [AndyS]
... OK to update the docs for FPWD?
16:56:30 [AndyS]
pfps: need to advice on the correct content for header.
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s/ to / /
16:59:28 [pchampin]
RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000/#agenda
17:01:48 [agendabot]
clear agenda
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agenda+ Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter)
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agenda+ Approval of last week's minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
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agenda+ Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
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agenda+ SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming
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agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
17:01:59 [agendabot]
agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
17:02:00 [agendabot]
agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
17:02:25 [pchampin]
s|topic: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000||
17:02:42 [pchampin]
s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//
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s/agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]//
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:05:00 [pchampin]
s|Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting||
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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s|s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//||
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s|agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]||
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:07:44 [pchampin]
s|agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]||
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s|agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]||
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:09:32 [pchampin]
regrets+ gkellog, dtomaszuk
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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s/1. Scribe/Scribe/
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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s/2. Approval/Approval/
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s/3. Issues/Issues/
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s/4. SPARQL/SPARQL/
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s/5. Review/Review/
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s/6. Review/Review/
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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