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15:50:48 <ktk> Topic:  RDF-star WG weekly meeting
15:51:29 <ktk> agenda https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:52:23 <ktk> topic: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:52:55 <ktk> Zakim, agenda https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:52:55 <Zakim> I don't understand you, ktk
15:53:02 <ktk> Zakim: help
15:53:29 <ktk> agenda?
15:54:48 <AndyS> zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
15:54:48 <Zakim> working on it, AndyS
15:54:49 <Zakim> done reading agenda, AndyS
15:55:17 <AndyS> zakim, agenda?
15:55:17 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
15:55:33 <ktk> it was my bad, should work now
15:55:39 <ktk> I added the agenda to the wrong part of the event
15:56:08 <ktk> zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000#general
15:56:08 <Zakim> working on it, ktk
15:56:09 <Zakim> done reading agenda, ktk
15:56:26 <ktk> zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000#agenda
15:56:26 <Zakim> working on it, ktk
15:56:29 <Zakim> done reading agenda, ktk
15:56:41 <ktk> agenda?
15:56:43 <ktk> huh
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15:57:53 <ktk> zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000/#agenda
15:57:53 <Zakim> working on it, ktk
15:57:54 <Zakim> done reading agenda, ktk
15:57:57 <ktk> agenda?
15:58:02 <ktk> ok no idea what I do wrong
15:58:21 <ora> You are getting some attitude from Zakim.
15:58:33 <ktk> yeah :)
15:58:38 <ktk> won't read it from the event page today for some reason
15:58:58 <ktk> agenda+ 1. Scribe:  Seaborne, Andy (alternate:  Patel-Schneider, Peter)
15:58:59 <ktk> agenda+ 2. Approval of last week's minutes: [1]
15:59:06 <ktk> agenda+ 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
15:59:06 <ktk> agenda+ 4. SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming
15:59:06 <ktk> agenda+ 5. Review of open actions, available at [2]
15:59:06 <ktk> agenda+ 6. Review of pull requests, available at [3]
15:59:06 <ktk> agenda+ 7. Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
15:59:17 <ktk> agenda?
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16:00:44 <ktk> Zakim, start this meeting
16:00:44 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
16:00:45 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ktk
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16:01:07 <ktk> meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
16:01:16 <ktk> zakim, meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
16:01:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting', ktk
16:01:26 <ktk> scribe AndyS
16:01:28 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:01:31 <ktk> chair ora
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16:01:45 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:01:46 <pfps> present+
16:01:49 <AZ> present+
16:01:50 <pchampin> present+
16:01:52 <ora> present+
16:01:56 <gtw> present+
16:01:58 <AndyS> present+
16:02:00 <Tpt> present+
16:02:03 <ktk> regrets: gkellog, dtomaszuk
16:02:07 <ktk> present+
16:02:16 <ktk> chair: ora
16:02:20 <ktk> scribe: AndyS
16:02:26 <AndyS> regrets: gkellogg
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16:03:25 <doerthe> present+
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16:03:33 <AndyS> Visitor: Jerven Bolleman
16:03:38 <ktk> zakim, first item
16:03:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'first item', ktk
16:03:39 <olaf> present+
16:03:44 <ktk> zakim, item 1
16:03:44 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item 1', ktk
16:03:58 <ktk> zakim, open item 1
16:03:58 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe:  Seaborne, Andy (alternate:  Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:03:59 <rubensworks> present+
16:04:06 <ktk> zakim, open item 2
16:04:06 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- 2. Approval of last week's minutes: -- taken up [from 1 via ktk]
16:04:11 <pfps> Last week's minutes look fine to me.
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16:04:38 <enrico> present+
16:04:41 <pfps> s/week/meeting/
16:05:04 <ktk> regrets: tallted
16:05:37 <AndyS> ora: Last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
16:05:45 <ora> proposal: approve previous minutes
16:05:51 <ktk> +1
16:05:52 <ora> +1
16:06:10 <rubensworks> +1
16:06:10 <pchampin> +0 (was not present)
16:06:10 <doerthe> +1
16:06:10 <olaf> +1
16:06:11 <gtw> +1
16:06:13 <AndyS> +1
16:06:14 <enrico> +1
16:06:16 <AZ> +1
16:06:23 <ora> resolved: approve previous minutes
16:06:32 <ktk> zakim, open item 3
16:06:32 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:07:32 <AndyS> ora: FPWD - issues with redirects
16:07:58 <AndyS> q+
16:08:24 <AndyS> pfps: I uses /rdf11-schema
16:08:32 <AndyS> s/uses/use/
16:08:52 <rubensworks> q+
16:09:00 <ora> ack andys
16:09:23 <rubensworks> q-
16:10:15 <AndyS> AndyS: The schema doc uses the short name to deduce the last REC
16:10:25 <AndyS> ... it is the only doc that does that.
16:11:40 <AndyS> ... can put in the URl of the doc should be.
16:12:01 <AndyS> s/URi/URL/
16:12:56 <pchampin> q+
16:13:09 <ora> ack pchampin
16:13:24 <AndyS> pchampin: should separate two issues
16:13:42 <AndyS> ... old docs using short name as if "rdf11-*"
16:13:59 <AndyS> ... second - our docs to have no cycles.
16:14:12 <AndyS> ... find a common recipe.
16:15:16 <AndyS> pfps: need the right changes for semantics and entailment
16:17:31 <ora> proposal: publish semantics and entailment docs asap
16:17:34 <ora> +1
16:17:40 <rubensworks> +1
16:18:11 <ktk> +1
16:18:41 <ora> proposal: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
16:18:48 <ora> +1
16:18:51 <rubensworks> +1
16:18:52 <Tpt> +1
16:18:55 <pchampin> +1
16:18:57 <AndyS> +1
16:18:57 <doerthe> +1
16:18:58 <olaf> +1
16:18:58 <AZ> +1
16:18:59 <enrico> +1
16:19:02 <pfps> +1
16:19:06 <ktk> +1
16:19:07 <AndyS> q+
16:19:09 <ora> resolution: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
16:19:12 <ora> ack andys
16:19:21 <pfps> hopefully someone will tell me what changes, if any, need to be made
16:19:40 <pchampin> q+
16:19:49 <ora> ack pchampin
16:21:06 <AndyS> pchampin: /TR not being the REC -- The docs were stable long term so the change has surprised some people.
16:21:08 <ktk> q+
16:21:15 <ora> ack adrian
16:21:42 <AndyS> ktk: Living standards came up.
16:21:56 <AndyS> ... any statement we should be making?
16:22:06 <pchampin> action: pchampin, fix broken links (to "latest rec") in old and new RDF/SPARQL TR docs
16:22:14 <pchampin> q+
16:22:27 <ora> ack ktk
16:22:50 <AndyS> ora: should probably make statement
16:22:56 <ora> ack pchampin
16:22:59 <AndyS> ... send an email to the WG email list
16:23:48 <AndyS> pchampin: it is a choice to make in this WG. We're are not there yet. Needs to happen before REC.
16:24:40 <AndyS> ktk: agrees to send an email to the list
16:24:55 <AndyS> zakim, next item
16:24:55 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe:  Seaborne, Andy (alternate:  Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:24:57 <AndyS> zakim, next item
16:24:57 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, AndyS
16:25:03 <AndyS> zakim, really next item
16:25:03 <Zakim> I don't understand 'really next item', AndyS
16:25:12 <AndyS> zakim, open item 3
16:25:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:25:19 <AndyS> zakim, open item 4
16:25:19 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- 4. SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming -- taken up [from ktk]
16:25:58 <AndyS> ora: more confusion re "SPARQL 1.2"
16:26:51 <ktk> q+
16:26:58 <AndyS> jerven: here to help with any renaming
16:27:04 <ora> ack ktk
16:28:32 <AndyS> ktk: sparql 1.2 came out of the Berlin workshop.
16:28:53 <AndyS> ... now a confusion with this WG - but it is not the same.
16:29:16 <AndyS> ... CG has https://github.com/w3c/sparql-12/
16:29:27 <AndyS> q+
16:29:39 <ora> ack andys
16:29:44 <pchampin> and a good place for incubating "new features" if we opt for the living standard mode
16:32:23 <AndyS> pchampin: andys: short name in the URL is hard to change. Can rename github repo easily.
16:32:58 <AndyS> ... the mailing list and signup is tied to the "1.2" name.
16:33:56 <AndyS> ... mailinglist can be rename/or with an extra one so SPARQL 1.2 is only in the URL of the CG.
16:34:14 <AndyS> ora: can we have a link on the homepage?
16:34:17 <ktk> so the only remaining URL with 12 in it would be this one? https://www.w3.org/community/sparql-12/
16:34:24 <AndyS> q+ to ask if we can have a redirect?
16:34:51 <ora> ack andys
16:34:51 <Zakim> AndyS, you wanted to ask if we can have a redirect?
16:35:40 <AndyS> pchampin: need to check about redirect - may be possible.
16:36:06 <pchampin> action: pchampin to check with sys team to have a redirect from community/sparql-next to community/sparql-12
16:36:07 <ghurlbot> Created -> action #62 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/62
16:36:58 <AndyS> ora: Ok for "sparql-next"?
16:38:49 <ora> proposal: rename to sparql-next, if feasible
16:38:56 <ktk> +1
16:38:57 <AndyS> +1
16:38:57 <ora> +1
16:38:57 <rubensworks> +1
16:38:57 <pfps> +1
16:39:00 <AZ> +1
16:39:00 <enrico> +1
16:39:01 <olaf> +1
16:39:02 <pchampin> +1
16:39:02 <doerthe> +1
16:39:12 <gtw> +1
16:39:17 <ora> resolution: rename to sparql-next, if feasible
16:39:19 <Tpt> +1
16:40:57 <AndyS> zakim, close item
16:40:57 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close item', AndyS
16:41:06 <AndyS> zakim, next item
16:41:06 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe:  Seaborne, Andy (alternate:  Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
16:41:18 <AndyS> zakim, open item 5
16:41:18 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- 5. Review of open actions, available at -- taken up [from 2 via ktk]
16:42:09 <AndyS> ora: Open actions https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20
16:42:37 <ktk> Zakim, close #57
16:42:37 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close #57', ktk
16:42:37 <ghurlbot> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57 -> Action 57 respond to W3C about TPAC meeting (on rdfguy) due 11 May 2023
16:43:01 <ktk> Close #57
16:43:02 <AndyS> ktk: TPAC - close action
16:43:02 <ghurlbot> Closed -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57
16:44:28 <AndyS> pchampin: echidna in progress
16:44:38 <AndyS> zkim, open item 6
16:44:40 <AndyS> zakim, open item 6
16:44:40 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- 6. Review of pull requests, available at -- taken up [from 3 via ktk]
16:44:56 <pfps> q+
16:45:05 <ora> ack pfps
16:45:19 <AndyS> pfps: CSS changes
16:45:46 <AndyS> ... thought was we'd wait for consensus was we were
16:45:57 <AndyS> ... but seems to have been rolled out.
16:46:09 <AndyS> ... maybe different versions in different repos.
16:46:32 <AndyS> ... problems: harder to read on narrow tabs/screens
16:46:48 <AndyS> ... font size change in tables
16:47:35 <AndyS> ora: tables + mobile => tricky
16:48:24 <AndyS> pfps: we seem to have tradedoff mobile devices against small screen appearance
16:49:11 <AndyS> ... opinion - if a table is too wide, person viewing can reduce the font.  Roughly same effect.
16:50:01 <AndyS> ... rendering info on small screens is difficult : but we seem to have not arrived the right place.
16:50:51 <AndyS> ... one problem is broken ids across lines.
16:51:14 <AndyS> ... fixed resize rule for table font change.
16:51:31 <AndyS> ora: can we get advice from W3C?
16:51:53 <AndyS> pfps: also choice of colors.
16:52:10 <AndyS> pchampin: we can contact accessibility team
16:52:41 <AndyS> ora: who is the team contact for current CSS work?
16:53:37 <AndyS> ktk: can ping pchampin on the thread
16:54:31 <AndyS> ktk: will add UC TF to agenda next week
16:54:42 <AndyS> pfps: we have a real use case.
16:54:58 <AndyS> ... going to send an email to the list
16:55:10 <pchampin> q+
16:55:17 <ora> ack pchampin
16:55:37 <AndyS> pchampin: to editors of semantics and entailment.
16:55:53 <AndyS> ... OK to update the docs for FPWD?
16:56:30 <AndyS> pfps: need to advice on the correct content for header.
16:57:31 <AndyS> s/ to / /
16:59:28 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:59:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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17:01:48 <pchampin> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000/#agenda
17:01:48 <agendabot> clear agenda
17:01:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter)
17:01:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
17:01:48 <agendabot> agenda+ Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
17:01:49 <agendabot> agenda+ SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming
17:01:52 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at  -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
17:01:59 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at  -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
17:02:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
17:02:25 <pchampin> s|topic: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000||
17:02:42 <pchampin> s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//
17:03:43 <pchampin> s/agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]//
17:04:01 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:04:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:05:00 <pchampin> s|Topic:  RDF-star WG weekly meeting||
17:05:23 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:06:06 <pchampin> s|s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//||
17:07:14 <pchampin> s|agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe:  Seaborne, Andy (alternate:  Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]||
17:07:16 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:07:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:07:44 <pchampin> s|agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe:  Seaborne, Andy (alternate:  Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]||
17:08:24 <pchampin> s|agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]||
17:08:54 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:09:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:09:32 <pchampin> regrets+ gkellog, dtomaszuk
17:09:33 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:09:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:10:12 <pchampin> s/1. Scribe/Scribe/
17:10:14 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:10:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
17:11:19 <pchampin> s/2. Approval/Approval/
17:11:27 <pchampin> s/3. Issues/Issues/
17:11:35 <pchampin> s/4. SPARQL/SPARQL/
17:11:42 <pchampin> s/5. Review/Review/
17:11:47 <pchampin> s/6. Review/Review/
17:16:40 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:16:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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