IRC log of rdf-star on 2023-05-25
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-irc
- 15:50:48 [ktk]
- Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
- 15:51:29 [ktk]
- agenda https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
- 15:52:23 [ktk]
- topic: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
- 15:52:55 [ktk]
- Zakim, agenda https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
- 15:52:55 [Zakim]
- I don't understand you, ktk
- 15:53:02 [ktk]
- Zakim: help
- 15:53:29 [ktk]
- agenda?
- 15:54:48 [AndyS]
- zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000
- 15:54:48 [Zakim]
- working on it, AndyS
- 15:54:49 [Zakim]
- done reading agenda, AndyS
- 15:55:17 [AndyS]
- zakim, agenda?
- 15:55:17 [Zakim]
- I see nothing on the agenda
- 15:55:33 [ktk]
- it was my bad, should work now
- 15:55:39 [ktk]
- I added the agenda to the wrong part of the event
- 15:56:08 [ktk]
- zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000#general
- 15:56:08 [Zakim]
- working on it, ktk
- 15:56:09 [Zakim]
- done reading agenda, ktk
- 15:56:26 [ktk]
- zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000#agenda
- 15:56:26 [Zakim]
- working on it, ktk
- 15:56:29 [Zakim]
- done reading agenda, ktk
- 15:56:41 [ktk]
- agenda?
- 15:56:43 [ktk]
- huh
- 15:57:42 [ora]
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- 15:57:53 [ktk]
- zakim, read agenda from https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000/#agenda
- 15:57:53 [Zakim]
- working on it, ktk
- 15:57:54 [Zakim]
- done reading agenda, ktk
- 15:57:57 [ktk]
- agenda?
- 15:58:02 [ktk]
- ok no idea what I do wrong
- 15:58:21 [ora]
- You are getting some attitude from Zakim.
- 15:58:33 [ktk]
- yeah :)
- 15:58:38 [ktk]
- won't read it from the event page today for some reason
- 15:58:58 [ktk]
- agenda+ 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter)
- 15:58:59 [ktk]
- agenda+ 2. Approval of last week's minutes: [1]
- 15:59:06 [ktk]
- agenda+ 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
- 15:59:06 [ktk]
- agenda+ 4. SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming
- 15:59:06 [ktk]
- agenda+ 5. Review of open actions, available at [2]
- 15:59:06 [ktk]
- agenda+ 6. Review of pull requests, available at [3]
- 15:59:06 [ktk]
- agenda+ 7. Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
- 15:59:17 [ktk]
- agenda?
- 15:59:32 [rubensworks]
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- 16:00:00 [pchampin]
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- 16:00:44 [ktk]
- Zakim, start this meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
- 16:00:45 [Zakim]
- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ktk
- 16:00:50 [pfps]
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- 16:01:07 [ktk]
- meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
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- zakim, meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
- 16:01:16 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting', ktk
- 16:01:26 [ktk]
- scribe AndyS
- 16:01:28 [pchampin]
- previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 16:01:31 [ktk]
- chair ora
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- 16:01:45 [pchampin]
- next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/06/01-rdf-star-minutes.html
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- present+
- 16:01:49 [AZ]
- present+
- 16:01:50 [pchampin]
- present+
- 16:01:52 [ora]
- present+
- 16:01:56 [gtw]
- present+
- 16:01:58 [AndyS]
- present+
- 16:02:00 [Tpt]
- present+
- 16:02:03 [ktk]
- regrets: gkellog, dtomaszuk
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- present+
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- chair: ora
- 16:02:20 [ktk]
- scribe: AndyS
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- regrets: gkellogg
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- present+
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- Visitor: Jerven Bolleman
- 16:03:38 [ktk]
- zakim, first item
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- I don't understand 'first item', ktk
- 16:03:39 [olaf]
- present+
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- zakim, item 1
- 16:03:44 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'item 1', ktk
- 16:03:58 [ktk]
- zakim, open item 1
- 16:03:58 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
- 16:03:59 [rubensworks]
- present+
- 16:04:06 [ktk]
- zakim, open item 2
- 16:04:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- 2. Approval of last week's minutes: -- taken up [from 1 via ktk]
- 16:04:11 [pfps]
- Last week's minutes look fine to me.
- 16:04:35 [enrico]
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- present+
- 16:04:41 [pfps]
- s/week/meeting/
- 16:05:04 [ktk]
- regrets: tallted
- 16:05:37 [AndyS]
- ora: Last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 16:05:45 [ora]
- proposal: approve previous minutes
- 16:05:51 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:05:52 [ora]
- +1
- 16:06:10 [rubensworks]
- +1
- 16:06:10 [pchampin]
- +0 (was not present)
- 16:06:10 [doerthe]
- +1
- 16:06:10 [olaf]
- +1
- 16:06:11 [gtw]
- +1
- 16:06:13 [AndyS]
- +1
- 16:06:14 [enrico]
- +1
- 16:06:16 [AZ]
- +1
- 16:06:23 [ora]
- resolved: approve previous minutes
- 16:06:32 [ktk]
- zakim, open item 3
- 16:06:32 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]
- 16:07:32 [AndyS]
- ora: FPWD - issues with redirects
- 16:07:58 [AndyS]
- q+
- 16:08:24 [AndyS]
- pfps: I uses /rdf11-schema
- 16:08:32 [AndyS]
- s/uses/use/
- 16:08:52 [rubensworks]
- q+
- 16:09:00 [ora]
- ack andys
- 16:09:23 [rubensworks]
- q-
- 16:10:15 [AndyS]
- AndyS: The schema doc uses the short name to deduce the last REC
- 16:10:25 [AndyS]
- ... it is the only doc that does that.
- 16:11:40 [AndyS]
- ... can put in the URl of the doc should be.
- 16:12:01 [AndyS]
- s/URi/URL/
- 16:12:56 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:13:09 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:13:24 [AndyS]
- pchampin: should separate two issues
- 16:13:42 [AndyS]
- ... old docs using short name as if "rdf11-*"
- 16:13:59 [AndyS]
- ... second - our docs to have no cycles.
- 16:14:12 [AndyS]
- ... find a common recipe.
- 16:15:16 [AndyS]
- pfps: need the right changes for semantics and entailment
- 16:17:31 [ora]
- proposal: publish semantics and entailment docs asap
- 16:17:34 [ora]
- +1
- 16:17:40 [rubensworks]
- +1
- 16:18:11 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:18:41 [ora]
- proposal: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
- 16:18:48 [ora]
- +1
- 16:18:51 [rubensworks]
- +1
- 16:18:52 [Tpt]
- +1
- 16:18:55 [pchampin]
- +1
- 16:18:57 [AndyS]
- +1
- 16:18:57 [doerthe]
- +1
- 16:18:58 [olaf]
- +1
- 16:18:58 [AZ]
- +1
- 16:18:59 [enrico]
- +1
- 16:19:02 [pfps]
- +1
- 16:19:06 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:19:07 [AndyS]
- q+
- 16:19:09 [ora]
- resolution: publish semantics and entailment FPWD docs 2023-06-06
- 16:19:12 [ora]
- ack andys
- 16:19:21 [pfps]
- hopefully someone will tell me what changes, if any, need to be made
- 16:19:40 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:19:49 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:21:06 [AndyS]
- pchampin: /TR not being the REC -- The docs were stable long term so the change has surprised some people.
- 16:21:08 [ktk]
- q+
- 16:21:15 [ora]
- ack adrian
- 16:21:42 [AndyS]
- ktk: Living standards came up.
- 16:21:56 [AndyS]
- ... any statement we should be making?
- 16:22:06 [pchampin]
- action: pchampin, fix broken links (to "latest rec") in old and new RDF/SPARQL TR docs
- 16:22:14 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:22:27 [ora]
- ack ktk
- 16:22:50 [AndyS]
- ora: should probably make statement
- 16:22:56 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:22:59 [AndyS]
- ... send an email to the WG email list
- 16:23:48 [AndyS]
- pchampin: it is a choice to make in this WG. We're are not there yet. Needs to happen before REC.
- 16:24:40 [AndyS]
- ktk: agrees to send an email to the list
- 16:24:55 [AndyS]
- zakim, next item
- 16:24:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
- 16:24:57 [AndyS]
- zakim, next item
- 16:24:57 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 was just opened, AndyS
- 16:25:03 [AndyS]
- zakim, really next item
- 16:25:03 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'really next item', AndyS
- 16:25:12 [AndyS]
- zakim, open item 3
- 16:25:12 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]
- 16:25:19 [AndyS]
- zakim, open item 4
- 16:25:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- 4. SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming -- taken up [from ktk]
- 16:25:58 [AndyS]
- ora: more confusion re "SPARQL 1.2"
- 16:26:51 [ktk]
- q+
- 16:26:58 [AndyS]
- jerven: here to help with any renaming
- 16:27:04 [ora]
- ack ktk
- 16:28:32 [AndyS]
- ktk: sparql 1.2 came out of the Berlin workshop.
- 16:28:53 [AndyS]
- ... now a confusion with this WG - but it is not the same.
- 16:29:16 [AndyS]
- ... CG has https://github.com/w3c/sparql-12/
- 16:29:27 [AndyS]
- q+
- 16:29:39 [ora]
- ack andys
- 16:29:44 [pchampin]
- and a good place for incubating "new features" if we opt for the living standard mode
- 16:32:23 [AndyS]
- pchampin: andys: short name in the URL is hard to change. Can rename github repo easily.
- 16:32:58 [AndyS]
- ... the mailing list and signup is tied to the "1.2" name.
- 16:33:56 [AndyS]
- ... mailinglist can be rename/or with an extra one so SPARQL 1.2 is only in the URL of the CG.
- 16:34:14 [AndyS]
- ora: can we have a link on the homepage?
- 16:34:17 [ktk]
- so the only remaining URL with 12 in it would be this one? https://www.w3.org/community/sparql-12/
- 16:34:24 [AndyS]
- q+ to ask if we can have a redirect?
- 16:34:51 [ora]
- ack andys
- 16:34:51 [Zakim]
- AndyS, you wanted to ask if we can have a redirect?
- 16:35:40 [AndyS]
- pchampin: need to check about redirect - may be possible.
- 16:36:06 [pchampin]
- action: pchampin to check with sys team to have a redirect from community/sparql-next to community/sparql-12
- 16:36:07 [ghurlbot]
- Created -> action #62 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/62
- 16:36:58 [AndyS]
- ora: Ok for "sparql-next"?
- 16:38:49 [ora]
- proposal: rename to sparql-next, if feasible
- 16:38:56 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:38:57 [AndyS]
- +1
- 16:38:57 [ora]
- +1
- 16:38:57 [rubensworks]
- +1
- 16:38:57 [pfps]
- +1
- 16:39:00 [AZ]
- +1
- 16:39:00 [enrico]
- +1
- 16:39:01 [olaf]
- +1
- 16:39:02 [pchampin]
- +1
- 16:39:02 [doerthe]
- +1
- 16:39:12 [gtw]
- +1
- 16:39:17 [ora]
- resolution: rename to sparql-next, if feasible
- 16:39:19 [Tpt]
- +1
- 16:40:57 [AndyS]
- zakim, close item
- 16:40:57 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close item', AndyS
- 16:41:06 [AndyS]
- zakim, next item
- 16:41:06 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]
- 16:41:18 [AndyS]
- zakim, open item 5
- 16:41:18 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- 5. Review of open actions, available at -- taken up [from 2 via ktk]
- 16:42:09 [AndyS]
- ora: Open actions https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20
- 16:42:37 [ktk]
- Zakim, close #57
- 16:42:37 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'close #57', ktk
- 16:42:37 [ghurlbot]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57 -> Action 57 respond to W3C about TPAC meeting (on rdfguy) due 11 May 2023
- 16:43:01 [ktk]
- Close #57
- 16:43:02 [AndyS]
- ktk: TPAC - close action
- 16:43:02 [ghurlbot]
- Closed -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57
- 16:44:28 [AndyS]
- pchampin: echidna in progress
- 16:44:38 [AndyS]
- zkim, open item 6
- 16:44:40 [AndyS]
- zakim, open item 6
- 16:44:40 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 -- 6. Review of pull requests, available at -- taken up [from 3 via ktk]
- 16:44:56 [pfps]
- q+
- 16:45:05 [ora]
- ack pfps
- 16:45:19 [AndyS]
- pfps: CSS changes
- 16:45:46 [AndyS]
- ... thought was we'd wait for consensus was we were
- 16:45:57 [AndyS]
- ... but seems to have been rolled out.
- 16:46:09 [AndyS]
- ... maybe different versions in different repos.
- 16:46:32 [AndyS]
- ... problems: harder to read on narrow tabs/screens
- 16:46:48 [AndyS]
- ... font size change in tables
- 16:47:35 [AndyS]
- ora: tables + mobile => tricky
- 16:48:24 [AndyS]
- pfps: we seem to have tradedoff mobile devices against small screen appearance
- 16:49:11 [AndyS]
- ... opinion - if a table is too wide, person viewing can reduce the font. Roughly same effect.
- 16:50:01 [AndyS]
- ... rendering info on small screens is difficult : but we seem to have not arrived the right place.
- 16:50:51 [AndyS]
- ... one problem is broken ids across lines.
- 16:51:14 [AndyS]
- ... fixed resize rule for table font change.
- 16:51:31 [AndyS]
- ora: can we get advice from W3C?
- 16:51:53 [AndyS]
- pfps: also choice of colors.
- 16:52:10 [AndyS]
- pchampin: we can contact accessibility team
- 16:52:41 [AndyS]
- ora: who is the team contact for current CSS work?
- 16:53:37 [AndyS]
- ktk: can ping pchampin on the thread
- 16:54:31 [AndyS]
- ktk: will add UC TF to agenda next week
- 16:54:42 [AndyS]
- pfps: we have a real use case.
- 16:54:58 [AndyS]
- ... going to send an email to the list
- 16:55:10 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:55:17 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:55:37 [AndyS]
- pchampin: to editors of semantics and entailment.
- 16:55:53 [AndyS]
- ... OK to update the docs for FPWD?
- 16:56:30 [AndyS]
- pfps: need to advice on the correct content for header.
- 16:57:31 [AndyS]
- s/ to / /
- 16:59:28 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000/#agenda
- 17:01:48 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
- 17:01:48 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter)
- 17:01:48 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Approval of last week's minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 17:01:48 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
- 17:01:49 [agendabot]
- agenda+ SPARQL 1.2 Community Group Renaming
- 17:01:52 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
- 17:01:59 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
- 17:02:00 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting
- 17:02:25 [pchampin]
- s|topic: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/931e4e54-81ad-4aa3-a39f-84efe4b788c7/20230525T120000||
- 17:02:42 [pchampin]
- s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//
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- s/agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]//
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
- 17:05:00 [pchampin]
- s|Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting||
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- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 17:05:24 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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- s|s/Topic: RDF-star WG weekly meeting//||
- 17:07:14 [pchampin]
- s|agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]||
- 17:07:16 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 17:07:18 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
- 17:07:44 [pchampin]
- s|agendum 1 -- 1. Scribe: Seaborne, Andy (alternate: Patel-Schneider, Peter) -- taken up [from ktk]||
- 17:08:24 [pchampin]
- s|agendum 3 -- 3. Issues with "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from ktk]||
- 17:08:54 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 17:09:25 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
- 17:09:32 [pchampin]
- regrets+ gkellog, dtomaszuk
- 17:09:33 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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- s/1. Scribe/Scribe/
- 17:10:14 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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- s/2. Approval/Approval/
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- s/3. Issues/Issues/
- 17:11:35 [pchampin]
- s/4. SPARQL/SPARQL/
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- s/5. Review/Review/
- 17:11:47 [pchampin]
- s/6. Review/Review/
- 17:16:40 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 17:16:42 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/25-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
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