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12:01:48 <kaz> meeting: WoT-WG/IG
12:02:08 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:02:12 <kaz> chair: McCool
12:02:24 <kaz> regrets+ Sebastian
12:04:47 <luca_barbato> scribenick: luca_barbato
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12:05:07 <luca_barbato> topic: Minutes
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12:06:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/05/17-wot-minutes.html May 17
12:06:03 <kaz> s/May /May-/
12:06:08 <luca_barbato> mm: Let's quick scan over the past meeting minutes
12:07:31 <luca_barbato> mm: few typos
12:07:54 <luca_barbato> mm: Content-wise they are fine
12:08:16 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster
12:08:22 <luca_barbato> mm: consensus on publishing
12:08:29 <luca_barbato> <published>
12:08:42 <luca_barbato> topic: Cancellations
12:10:16 <luca_barbato> mm: Kaz has overlaps in June
12:10:27 <kaz> i|Kaz|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations
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12:10:33 <Ege> q+
12:10:34 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:10:43 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:10:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:10:52 <luca_barbato> ... Use Case and Profile are cancelled for the next weeks
12:11:00 <kaz> ack e
12:11:27 <luca_barbato> ege: Are we updating the W3C calendar or the Table in the website?
12:11:33 <kaz> q+
12:11:45 <luca_barbato> mm: The Table in the website tends to be out of sync
12:12:19 <luca_barbato> mm: We will clean up the W3C calendar as we switch to zoom from webex
12:12:39 <Ege> q+
12:14:04 <kaz> ack k
12:14:25 <luca_barbato> kaz: We can switch to zoom next week
12:14:33 <McCool_> proposal: Switch all WoT meetings to Zoom starting Monday May 29
12:14:59 <luca_barbato> ege: The problem with screen sharing in Zoom might still a problem
12:15:12 <kaz> i/proposal/(1. W3C Calendar, 2. WoT Marketing meeting table, 3. Switching to Zoom)/
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12:15:37 <luca_barbato> kaz: We can look into the Zoom settings later
12:15:41 <McCool_> proposal: Switch all WoT meetings to Zoom starting Monday May 29
12:15:54 <luca_barbato> mm: Consensus on switching to Zoom ?
12:16:00 <luca_barbato> <no objection>
12:16:06 <kaz> s/1. W/There are three topics here, 1. W/
12:16:09 <McCool_> resolution: Switch all WoT meetings to Zoom starting Monday May 29
12:16:14 <Ege> ack e
12:16:16 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:16:20 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:16:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:16:33 <luca_barbato> mm: Regarding cleaning up the calendar Table we can discuss the next week.
12:16:37 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:16:37 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, David_Ezell
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12:16:54 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
12:17:00 <luca_barbato> topic: WG Charter review
12:17:24 <luca_barbato> s/topic: WG Charter review//
12:17:36 <luca_barbato> kaz: Ege do you want to maintain the Tables?
12:17:56 <luca_barbato> ege: We are trying some solutions but it is a bit tricky because of the multiple timezones
12:18:12 <kaz> s/Tables/Web conf meeting table on the Marketing page/
12:18:19 <luca_barbato> ... We need to maintain it to have an overview of the meetings
12:18:44 <luca_barbato> topic: WG Charter review
12:19:01 <luca_barbato> mm: We need to clarify the roles of the 3 Chairs
12:19:31 <kaz> i|We need|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375 Strategy pipeline issue for WoT WG Charter|
12:19:33 <luca_barbato> ... we'll meet on May 30th to talk about the next steps
12:19:37 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:19:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:20:02 <luca_barbato> ... it is still in draft state, but I'll share with the group
12:20:09 <luca_barbato> topic: TPAC Planning
12:20:26 <luca_barbato> mm: We need to organize joint sessions
12:20:40 <kaz> s/30th/26th and 30th/
12:20:40 <luca_barbato> ... once we have bandwidth we will have to update the wiki page
12:21:01 <luca_barbato> mm: We have a small room scheduled
12:21:11 <kaz> i|We need|-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/GroupsTPAC2023/ TPAC questionnaire|
12:21:27 <luca_barbato> ... We aim to have the other team Chair to join the other team sessions
12:22:02 <luca_barbato> mm: We defer further discussion next week
12:22:09 <luca_barbato> topic: Planning
12:22:15 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Testfest
12:22:54 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/25-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-25
12:22:57 <luca_barbato> mm: I'd like to have a resolution on accepting the review from the Testing TF instead of going through all the testfest minutes again
12:23:00 <McCool_> proposal: Accept the recommendation of the Testing TF to approve and publish the minutes from the Testfest held Apr 25/26/27..
12:23:10 <kaz> i|I'd|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-26|
12:23:18 <kaz> i|I'd|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-27|
12:23:21 <McCool_> proposal: Accept the recommendation of the Testing TF to approve and publish the minutes from the Testfest held Apr 25-27.
12:23:31 <McCool_> resolution: Accept the recommendation of the Testing TF to approve and publish the minutes from the Testfest held Apr 25-27.
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12:24:33 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Schedule Review
12:24:37 <kaz> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md publication schedule
12:24:48 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:24:53 <luca_barbato> mm: We extended the review period for the draft by two weeks
12:25:02 <kaz> s/subtopic:/topic:/
12:25:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:11 <luca_barbato> ... the endline is June 7th
12:25:21 <kaz> s/topic:/subtopic:/
12:25:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:25:32 <luca_barbato> the new charter, if approved is July 1st
12:26:20 <kaz> s/is J/starts on J/
12:26:23 <luca_barbato> mm: I'd spend the next 30min to clean it up
12:26:32 <kaz> s/the new/... the new/
12:26:40 <luca_barbato> mm: Any other changes needed to the schedule?
12:26:44 <luca_barbato> <none>
12:27:24 <luca_barbato> subtopic: PR Draft Finalization
12:28:03 <luca_barbato> ege: Do we want to merge the PR now in the Main call or later?
12:28:26 <luca_barbato> mm: I'd defer to the next week to let the TFs review
12:28:32 <kaz> s/or/or during the TD call/
12:28:55 <kaz> present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
12:29:00 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:29:10 <luca_barbato> mm: We can spend the next half of the meeting on the Discovery PRs
12:29:31 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/491/files
12:29:36 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Discovery 491
12:30:04 <kaz> s/subtopic: PR Draft/topic: PR Draft/
12:30:06 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:30:44 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/491/files||
12:30:55 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/491 wot-discovery PR 491 - Add list of contributors to acknowledgements
12:30:59 <luca_barbato> mm: We listed all the non editors in the acknowledgement
12:31:04 <luca_barbato> mm: any objections?
12:31:11 <luca_barbato> <merged>
12:31:26 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Discovery 493
12:31:53 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/493 wot-discovery PR 493 - Resolve exploration-server-http-alternate-language
12:32:08 <luca_barbato> mm: It makes informative exploration-server-http-alternate-language since we do not have 2 implementations
12:33:08 <luca_barbato> ... e.g. `MAY` to `may`
12:33:16 <luca_barbato> mm: Any objections?
12:35:41 <luca_barbato> <merged>
12:35:53 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Discovery 495
12:36:35 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/495 wot-discovery PR 495 - Resolve security bootstrapping - round 2
12:37:25 <luca_barbato> mm: I reorganised the section to move out only the assertion that is at risk
12:37:42 <luca_barbato> ... We could remove all 3 though
12:38:03 <luca_barbato> ... Ben and I we had a discussion and we could rely more on external standard
12:38:44 <luca_barbato> mm: This PR generalised it to state that the response code should follow the respective standards
12:39:17 <luca_barbato> ... this change does not change any requirement to the implementations
12:41:27 <luca_barbato> mm: I'd open the floor for comments
12:41:28 <Ege> q+
12:42:22 <kaz> ack e
12:42:59 <luca_barbato> q+
12:43:47 <luca_barbato> ege: Is it only changing the capitalizations?
12:44:02 <luca_barbato> lb: it seems to simplify more than that
12:45:36 <luca_barbato> mm: We defer to the related standards (HTTP, OAuth2) regarding the error codes
12:46:06 <kaz> q+
12:46:08 <kaz> ack l
12:46:12 <luca_barbato> ack
12:47:08 <luca_barbato> kaz: We can simply make sure we remove the features at-risk and put some informative text instead
12:48:25 <luca_barbato> mm: Normally test each assertion separately, this set of assertions have are badly interlinked
12:49:12 <luca_barbato> mm: We make editorial changes to remove the dependencies while not impacting the implementations
12:49:38 <luca_barbato> kaz: We can record this in a resolution
12:50:56 <kaz> s/this/that kind of policy within these minutes so that people can understand what's happening here :)/
12:51:06 <kaz> s/in a resolution//
12:53:13 <McCool_> policy here is that we can't make changes that impact implementations or change requirements; this PR (https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/495) does reorganize and restate assertions but does not impact implementations or add requirements so it can be considered "editorial"
12:53:41 <luca_barbato> mm: Objection to merging the PR?
12:53:44 <luca_barbato> <merged>
12:56:20 <luca_barbato> subtopic: Discovery 494
12:56:40 <kaz> s/subtopic: Discovery 494//
12:56:48 <McCool_> proposal: Begin the PR draft review process for Discovery based on the current editor's draft.
12:57:07 <McCool_> resolution: Begin the PR draft review process for Discovery based on the current editor's draft.
12:57:40 <kaz> topic: Architecture PR
12:57:47 <kaz> subtopic: PR 914
12:58:05 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/914 wot-architecture PR 914 - Add Accessibility Considerations
12:59:01 <luca_barbato> mm: I'd discuss merging it tomorrow, please review it today and comment on the PR
12:59:51 <luca_barbato> topic: Liasons
13:00:26 <luca_barbato> mm: Sebastian is meeting with the OPC UA Foundation today
13:00:52 <luca_barbato> ... he will report on that the next meeting
13:01:53 <kaz> q+
13:02:20 <Ege> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290
13:02:34 <luca_barbato> mm: Could you also update the calendar?
13:02:41 <luca_barbato> ege: After the TD call today
13:02:47 <kaz> i/https/topic: Note publications/
13:02:59 <kaz> i/https/subtopic: Scripting API/
13:03:33 <kaz> i/https/ca: some problem with ReSpec but asking Kaz to work with the Webmaster for publication./
13:04:05 <kaz> i/https/subtopic: Binding Templates/
13:04:05 <kaz> i/https:/ek: still working on the draft/
13:04:29 <kaz> ack k
13:05:12 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290 wot-binding-templates PR 290 - Publication Prep|
13:05:16 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:05:23 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:05:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:05:51 <kaz> i/some problem/scribenick: kaz/
13:06:03 <kaz> i/Could you also/scribenick: luca_barbato/
13:06:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:06:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz
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14:17:23 <cris_> ack c
14:19:40 <cris_> q+
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