IRC log of wot on 2023-05-24

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logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-irc

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12:01:48 [kaz]

meeting: WoT-WG/IG

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima

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chair: McCool

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regrets+ Sebastian

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scribenick: luca_barbato

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topic: Minutes

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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/05/17-wot-minutes.html May 17

12:06:03 [kaz]

s/May /May-/

12:06:08 [luca_barbato]

mm: Let's quick scan over the past meeting minutes

12:07:31 [luca_barbato]

mm: few typos

12:07:54 [luca_barbato]

mm: Content-wise they are fine

12:08:16 [kaz]

present+ Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster

12:08:22 [luca_barbato]

mm: consensus on publishing

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<published>

12:08:42 [luca_barbato]

topic: Cancellations

12:10:16 [luca_barbato]

mm: Kaz has overlaps in June

12:10:27 [kaz]

i|Kaz|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#Cancellations_and_Schedule_Updates Cancellations

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q+

12:10:34 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

12:10:45 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:10:52 [luca_barbato]

... Use Case and Profile are cancelled for the next weeks

12:11:00 [kaz]

ack e

12:11:27 [luca_barbato]

ege: Are we updating the W3C calendar or the Table in the website?

12:11:33 [kaz]

q+

12:11:45 [luca_barbato]

mm: The Table in the website tends to be out of sync

12:12:19 [luca_barbato]

mm: We will clean up the W3C calendar as we switch to zoom from webex

12:12:39 [Ege]

q+

12:14:04 [kaz]

ack k

12:14:25 [luca_barbato]

kaz: We can switch to zoom next week

12:14:33 [McCool_]

proposal: Switch all WoT meetings to Zoom starting Monday May 29

12:14:59 [luca_barbato]

ege: The problem with screen sharing in Zoom might still a problem

12:15:12 [kaz]

i/proposal/(1. W3C Calendar, 2. WoT Marketing meeting table, 3. Switching to Zoom)/

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present+ David_Ezell

12:15:37 [luca_barbato]

kaz: We can look into the Zoom settings later

12:15:41 [McCool_]

proposal: Switch all WoT meetings to Zoom starting Monday May 29

12:15:54 [luca_barbato]

mm: Consensus on switching to Zoom ?

12:16:00 [luca_barbato]

<no objection>

12:16:06 [kaz]

s/1. W/There are three topics here, 1. W/

12:16:09 [McCool_]

resolution: Switch all WoT meetings to Zoom starting Monday May 29

12:16:14 [Ege]

ack e

12:16:16 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

12:16:20 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:16:21 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:16:33 [luca_barbato]

mm: Regarding cleaning up the calendar Table we can discuss the next week.

12:16:37 [kaz]

zakim, who is on the call?

12:16:37 [Zakim]

Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Ege_Korkan, Luca_Barbato, Tomoaki_Mizushima, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, David_Ezell

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present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda

12:17:00 [luca_barbato]

topic: WG Charter review

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s/topic: WG Charter review//

12:17:36 [luca_barbato]

kaz: Ege do you want to maintain the Tables?

12:17:56 [luca_barbato]

ege: We are trying some solutions but it is a bit tricky because of the multiple timezones

12:18:12 [kaz]

s/Tables/Web conf meeting table on the Marketing page/

12:18:19 [luca_barbato]

... We need to maintain it to have an overview of the meetings

12:18:44 [luca_barbato]

topic: WG Charter review

12:19:01 [luca_barbato]

mm: We need to clarify the roles of the 3 Chairs

12:19:31 [kaz]

i|We need|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375 Strategy pipeline issue for WoT WG Charter|

12:19:33 [luca_barbato]

... we'll meet on May 30th to talk about the next steps

12:19:37 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:19:39 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:20:02 [luca_barbato]

... it is still in draft state, but I'll share with the group

12:20:09 [luca_barbato]

topic: TPAC Planning

12:20:26 [luca_barbato]

mm: We need to organize joint sessions

12:20:40 [kaz]

s/30th/26th and 30th/

12:20:40 [luca_barbato]

... once we have bandwidth we will have to update the wiki page

12:21:01 [luca_barbato]

mm: We have a small room scheduled

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i|We need|-> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/GroupsTPAC2023/ TPAC questionnaire|

12:21:27 [luca_barbato]

... We aim to have the other team Chair to join the other team sessions

12:22:02 [luca_barbato]

mm: We defer further discussion next week

12:22:09 [luca_barbato]

topic: Planning

12:22:15 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Testfest

12:22:54 [kaz]

-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/25-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-25

12:22:57 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'd like to have a resolution on accepting the review from the Testing TF instead of going through all the testfest minutes again

12:23:00 [McCool_]

proposal: Accept the recommendation of the Testing TF to approve and publish the minutes from the Testfest held Apr 25/26/27..

12:23:10 [kaz]

i|I'd|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/26-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-26|

12:23:18 [kaz]

i|I'd|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-wot-pf-minutes.html Apr-27|

12:23:21 [McCool_]

proposal: Accept the recommendation of the Testing TF to approve and publish the minutes from the Testfest held Apr 25-27.

12:23:31 [McCool_]

resolution: Accept the recommendation of the Testing TF to approve and publish the minutes from the Testfest held Apr 25-27.

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12:24:33 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Schedule Review

12:24:37 [kaz]

https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/main/charters/wg-2021-extension-plan.md publication schedule

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s/https/-> https/

12:24:53 [luca_barbato]

mm: We extended the review period for the draft by two weeks

12:25:02 [kaz]

s/subtopic:/topic:/

12:25:04 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:25:11 [luca_barbato]

... the endline is June 7th

12:25:21 [kaz]

s/topic:/subtopic:/

12:25:23 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:25:32 [luca_barbato]

the new charter, if approved is July 1st

12:26:20 [kaz]

s/is J/starts on J/

12:26:23 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'd spend the next 30min to clean it up

12:26:32 [kaz]

s/the new/... the new/

12:26:40 [luca_barbato]

mm: Any other changes needed to the schedule?

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<none>

12:27:24 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: PR Draft Finalization

12:28:03 [luca_barbato]

ege: Do we want to merge the PR now in the Main call or later?

12:28:26 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'd defer to the next week to let the TFs review

12:28:32 [kaz]

s/or/or during the TD call/

12:28:55 [kaz]

present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi

12:29:00 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:29:01 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:29:10 [luca_barbato]

mm: We can spend the next half of the meeting on the Discovery PRs

12:29:31 [McCool_]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/491/files

12:29:36 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Discovery 491

12:30:04 [kaz]

s/subtopic: PR Draft/topic: PR Draft/

12:30:06 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

12:30:07 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:30:44 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/491/files||

12:30:55 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/491 wot-discovery PR 491 - Add list of contributors to acknowledgements

12:30:59 [luca_barbato]

mm: We listed all the non editors in the acknowledgement

12:31:04 [luca_barbato]

mm: any objections?

12:31:11 [luca_barbato]

<merged>

12:31:26 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Discovery 493

12:31:53 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/493 wot-discovery PR 493 - Resolve exploration-server-http-alternate-language

12:32:08 [luca_barbato]

mm: It makes informative exploration-server-http-alternate-language since we do not have 2 implementations

12:33:08 [luca_barbato]

... e.g. `MAY` to `may`

12:33:16 [luca_barbato]

mm: Any objections?

12:35:41 [luca_barbato]

<merged>

12:35:53 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Discovery 495

12:36:35 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/495 wot-discovery PR 495 - Resolve security bootstrapping - round 2

12:37:25 [luca_barbato]

mm: I reorganised the section to move out only the assertion that is at risk

12:37:42 [luca_barbato]

... We could remove all 3 though

12:38:03 [luca_barbato]

... Ben and I we had a discussion and we could rely more on external standard

12:38:44 [luca_barbato]

mm: This PR generalised it to state that the response code should follow the respective standards

12:39:17 [luca_barbato]

... this change does not change any requirement to the implementations

12:41:27 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'd open the floor for comments

12:41:28 [Ege]

q+

12:42:22 [kaz]

ack e

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q+

12:43:47 [luca_barbato]

ege: Is it only changing the capitalizations?

12:44:02 [luca_barbato]

lb: it seems to simplify more than that

12:45:36 [luca_barbato]

mm: We defer to the related standards (HTTP, OAuth2) regarding the error codes

12:46:06 [kaz]

q+

12:46:08 [kaz]

ack l

12:46:12 [luca_barbato]

ack

12:47:08 [luca_barbato]

kaz: We can simply make sure we remove the features at-risk and put some informative text instead

12:48:25 [luca_barbato]

mm: Normally test each assertion separately, this set of assertions have are badly interlinked

12:49:12 [luca_barbato]

mm: We make editorial changes to remove the dependencies while not impacting the implementations

12:49:38 [luca_barbato]

kaz: We can record this in a resolution

12:50:56 [kaz]

s/this/that kind of policy within these minutes so that people can understand what's happening here :)/

12:51:06 [kaz]

s/in a resolution//

12:53:13 [McCool_]

policy here is that we can't make changes that impact implementations or change requirements; this PR (https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/495) does reorganize and restate assertions but does not impact implementations or add requirements so it can be considered "editorial"

12:53:41 [luca_barbato]

mm: Objection to merging the PR?

12:53:44 [luca_barbato]

<merged>

12:56:20 [luca_barbato]

subtopic: Discovery 494

12:56:40 [kaz]

s/subtopic: Discovery 494//

12:56:48 [McCool_]

proposal: Begin the PR draft review process for Discovery based on the current editor's draft.

12:57:07 [McCool_]

resolution: Begin the PR draft review process for Discovery based on the current editor's draft.

12:57:40 [kaz]

topic: Architecture PR

12:57:47 [kaz]

subtopic: PR 914

12:58:05 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/914 wot-architecture PR 914 - Add Accessibility Considerations

12:59:01 [luca_barbato]

mm: I'd discuss merging it tomorrow, please review it today and comment on the PR

12:59:51 [luca_barbato]

topic: Liasons

13:00:26 [luca_barbato]

mm: Sebastian is meeting with the OPC UA Foundation today

13:00:52 [luca_barbato]

... he will report on that the next meeting

13:01:53 [kaz]

q+

13:02:20 [Ege]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290

13:02:34 [luca_barbato]

mm: Could you also update the calendar?

13:02:41 [luca_barbato]

ege: After the TD call today

13:02:47 [kaz]

i/https/topic: Note publications/

13:02:59 [kaz]

i/https/subtopic: Scripting API/

13:03:33 [kaz]

i/https/ca: some problem with ReSpec but asking Kaz to work with the Webmaster for publication./

13:04:05 [kaz]

i/https/subtopic: Binding Templates/

13:04:05 [kaz]

i/https:/ek: still working on the draft/

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ack k

13:05:12 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290|-">https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/290 wot-binding-templates PR 290 - Publication Prep|

13:05:16 [kaz]

[adjourned]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

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i/some problem/scribenick: kaz/

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i/Could you also/scribenick: luca_barbato/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-wot-minutes.html kaz

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q+

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ack c

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q+

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