IRC log of maturity on 2023-05-24

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inviting RRSAgent
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RRSAgent, make logs Public
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:52:28 [Fazio]
meeting: W3C Accessibility Maturity Model
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chair: Fazio
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Agenda+ Under 3.4.1.2 Development category of proof points, the examples of “Accessible developer implementation resources” seem more about information. Where might you consider software and hardware tools that help with accessible development, such as access to screen readers or switches?
14:54:09 [Fazio]
Agenda+ Continue with Susanna’s updates to Support Dimension https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0013.html
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Agenda+ Continue with Stakeholder Document Update – Lionel, Jeff, and Stacey
14:54:44 [Fazio]
Agenda+ Continue discussion on TLDR https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0007.htmland Use Case https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0019.html Integration
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Agenda+ Continuation of Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey
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present+
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present+
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present+
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scribe+
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present+
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present+
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-maturity-minutes.html Lionel
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Topic: ghrulhub
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ghurlhub
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present+
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present+
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janina: Ghurlhub new tool (Roy) - Document significant Repository - Only run your group APA Maturity - Have your advisory committee rep vote (open through 20 June)
15:13:35 [Lionel]
agenda?
15:14:44 [janina]
APA Charter: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/
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FAST: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Fast-work-statement
15:17:05 [Mark]
Fazio: Fast Group Id function need for users. Functional testing for usability on web
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... Corralling functional needs - Created document - Think it could be useful
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janina: Call for consensus: Need to find someone besides Fredric to step up. Need to fix issues. Build it right now.
15:19:46 [Mark]
Fazio: Feed back for TPAC?
15:21:43 [Mark]
janina: APA need to request high level meeting. Last year was a rep. Not a closed door meeting. July & August for commitments APA is scheduling a meeting. Moral support form Maturity needed.
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Fazio: TPAC related – ask Janina – I did a breakout preso. Should I have the class give an over all – this is what we did.
15:24:04 [Mark]
janina: Yes, communicate with Shawn Henry. Wed is a great day
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... APA we have half hour check in with Michael
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Fazio: Should support Michael
15:25:07 [CharlesL]
agenda?
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fa
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Fazio: Agenda - Documentation question from Charles
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janina: Charles issue next week. Get it into GetHub
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Fazio: Susi’s Document – make some of the language less strict and more informational.
15:30:44 [SusiPallero]
q+
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... Do we want to create a collaborative document?
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brb -- off to get water
15:32:52 [CharlesL]
q+
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Fazio: Want to get together as a group?
15:34:18 [CharlesL]
agenda?
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SusiPallero: Transportation was going to change as not digital - Events of office – focus on transportation apps
15:35:32 [CharlesL]
ack SusiPallero
15:35:44 [Mark]
Fazio: Company provide information – get to the office to perform work and customer support. Internal: enabling people with disabilities to participate. Make sure that can get to work.
15:36:01 [Mark]
... Don’t need to specify where
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zakim, next item
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agendum 1 -- Under 3.4.1.2 Development category of proof points, the examples of “Accessible developer implementation resources” seem more about information. Where might you
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... consider software and hardware tools that help with accessible development, such as access to screen readers or switches? -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:37:07 [CharlesL]
https://github.com/w3c/maturity-model/issues/163
15:37:26 [Mark]
CharlesL: Found original email.
15:39:06 [Mark]
CharlesL: Fist question – design process makes sense for large organization. How frame for small org. Is there a way forward even if team only has 3 member?
15:39:17 [SusiPallero]
q+
15:40:05 [Mark]
Fazio: Not the size of the time. May affect recourses but nothing is prohibitive. Okay to stay at level of maturity. I would leave it there as an option. Not punitive. Publishing is up to you.
15:40:48 [jlkline]
q+
15:41:01 [CharlesL]
1Under 3.4.1.2 Development category of proof points, the examples of “Accessible developer implementation resources” seem more about information. Where might you consider software and hardware tools that help with accessible development, such as access to screen readers or switches?
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CharlesL: Question 2 – 3.4.1.2 proof points. Accessible dev resource is about information. Where would you consider tools that help for dev. Ie. screen readers and switches.
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ack me
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ack jlkline
15:42:16 [Mark]
jlkline: Recourses is broad term – human, training, tools. That’s maybe how we want to answer. Not specific but devs should have all recourses needed.
15:43:30 [jlkline]
q+
15:43:32 [Mark]
SusiPallero: Even if not formal you have a process. You’re always running the same task – may apply even if the team is not huge. Write it to be clear that it applies sot regular activities.
15:44:05 [CharlesL]
ack SusiPallero
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CharlesL: Call out that it could work for sm orgs
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ack jlkline
15:45:35 [Mark]
jlkline: Sm org man not have process. Its about consistency and that is a process and they could claim. Ie. design reviews every time.
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CharlesL: Question 3 – resources – hardware tools was answered.
15:47:02 [janina]
zakim, next item
15:47:02 [Zakim]
agendum 2 -- Continue with Susanna’s updates to Support Dimension https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0013.html -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:47:07 [janina]
zakim, close this item
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agendum 2 closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. Continue with Stakeholder Document Update – Lionel, Jeff, and Stacey [from Fazio]
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zakim, next item
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agendum 3 -- Continue with Stakeholder Document Update – Lionel, Jeff, and Stacey -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:47:39 [CharlesL]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL
15:49:43 [jlkline]
q+
15:50:25 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
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Present: Fazio, Mark, SusiPallero, jlkline, Lionel, CharlesL, janina
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On IRC I see janina, CharlesL, jlkline, SusiPallero, Mark, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio
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Present+
15:51:56 [Lionel]
Zakinthos, who’s here
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Lionel: Have a meeting – stacy and David – look at stakeholders and how we can specify – will schedule for next week.
15:52:13 [Mark]
Fazio: Ideal of what roles might play – whose responsibilities – how may be responsible – examples. What possibility could be. From Jean.
15:52:16 [Lionel]
Zakim, who’s here
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I don't understand 'who’s here', Lionel
15:52:27 [janina]
zakim, who's here?
15:52:27 [Zakim]
Present: Fazio, Mark, SusiPallero, jlkline, Lionel, CharlesL, janina
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On IRC I see Lionel, janina, CharlesL, jlkline, SusiPallero, Mark, RRSAgent, Zakim, Fazio
15:52:32 [Mark]
jlkline: Simplify – don’t get granular – talk about stakeholder – not roles but stakeholder organization.
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Fazio: Prefer to complete then edit down
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Fazio: We’ll have two versions of the doc – have choices.
15:54:17 [SusiPallero]
My apologies but I have to go look for my daughter. I will be sending the updated version of the document so you can take a look.
15:54:33 [Mark]
CharlesL: Waiting on updated excel spreadsheet
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Fazio: I’ll get with Sherry
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Fazio: Ping stakeholder group for progress
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Mark, SusiPallero, jlkline, Lionel, CharlesL, janina
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Mark; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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