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12:43:36 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
12:43:44 <janina> Meeting: APA Teleconference
12:43:58 <janina> Date: 24 May 2023Chair:  Janina
12:43:58 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
12:43:58 <janina> agenda+ FAST Work Statement CfC https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023May/0000.html
12:44:01 <janina> agenda+ New APA Charter Voting Started https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/
12:44:04 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2023 Planning
12:44:06 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
12:44:09 <janina> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
12:44:12 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
12:44:15 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
12:44:17 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
12:44:20 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
12:44:22 <janina> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
12:44:25 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
12:44:27 <janina> agenda+ be done
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14:00:53 <Fredrik> present+
14:02:25 <Roy> present+
14:02:26 <janina> present+
14:02:36 <janina> Regrets: Niklaus, Gottfried
14:04:11 <Fredrik> zakim, take up item 1
14:04:11 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
14:04:47 <Fredrik> Roy: There is active discussion abou adding new members for a11y groups.
14:05:05 <PaulG> present+
14:05:17 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:05:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- FAST Work Statement CfC https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2023May/0000.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:05:53 <Fredrik> janina: There is a CFC for the FAST TF!
14:06:24 <Fredrik> janina: Tweaks have been made, and some support pages need some touching up. There are even broken links to fix (not in the WS).
14:06:52 <Fredrik> janina: The history of FAST started beyond long ago. The infrastructure is a bit rusty.
14:08:54 <janina> q?
14:09:00 <Fredrik> zakim, open next item
14:09:00 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New APA Charter Voting Started https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/33280/apa-wg-recharter/ -- taken up [from janina]
14:09:22 <Roy> q+
14:09:30 <Fredrik> janina: The APA charter that we've been working on a long time, did finally make it to the AC for voting. It is there!
14:10:05 <Fredrik> janina: Vote before 20 June. A fair number have already voted.
14:11:11 <janina> ack ro
14:11:20 <Fredrik> janina: Only W3C members vote, no IEs for instance.
14:11:27 <Roy> I am very concerned that the group doesn't claim any formal relationship with either the work on privacy or the work on security undertaken at W3C.
14:11:27 <Roy> 
14:11:27 <Roy> Both of these things are often difficult to make accessible, and solutions in both of these areas have often failed to take accessibility into account.
14:13:48 <Fredrik> Roy: That came from membership.
14:14:04 <Fredrik> janina: I would consider that a friendly amemdment, whether substantive or editorial is then a good question.
14:14:35 <janina> q?
14:16:14 <matatk> q+
14:17:17 <janina> ack ma
14:17:43 <Fredrik> matatk: I think it would be nice to have a liaison with such a group. I would like to know what relations we have with them already.
14:17:58 <Fredrik> matatk: Two concerns: 1( do we have the numbers to have a successful liaison relationship?
14:18:14 <PaulG> I need to step away. If I'm not back by the time of my update for CSS, there was no discussion last week that warranted our attention last week.
14:18:54 <Fredrik> matatk: 2) We would like to have a successful relationship. Paul, for instance, is going to CSS and very successful about it. Projects are short-term and things to work on together. I would be concerned about having a formal liaison and then not doing things.
14:19:28 <Fredrik> janina: +1 on all of that. Naming CSS as an example of success in this context is not a bad idea at all.
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14:19:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
14:19:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:20:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ./me Lionel slips quietly into the room, better late than not
14:21:33 <Fredrik> janina: It may be that one of the respective groups should tap someone to liaise directly with us, a person who has some idea of what we are doing and can talk to us on our turf. We don't have all the competences needed to liaise back, maybe.
14:21:49 <janina> q?
14:22:14 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:22:14 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- TPAC 2023 Planning -- taken up [from janina]
14:22:26 <Fredrik> janina: We have added one requested meeting.
14:23:27 <Fredrik> janina: WE have a meeting with the TAG. They are putting out guidance on a11y and we justifiably take exception to those kinds of actions.
14:23:40 <Fredrik> janina: We were pinged ostensibly, perhaps however not resoundingly enough.
14:24:10 <Fredrik> janina: We are moving toward another target date for TPAC.
14:24:35 <matatk> MAUR 2 talk Janina mentiond: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-rqtf-minutes.html#t03
14:25:43 <janina> q?
14:25:47 <Fredrik> janina: The MAUR needs updating to 2.0. Essentially media is rather much more than it used to be, and we have to reflect that in said note.
14:26:11 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:26:11 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
14:26:16 <Fredrik> scribe: Fredrik
14:26:27 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:26:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:26:36 <Fredrik> Roy: No new charters!
14:26:51 <Roy> subtopic: Web of Things Working Group rechartering
14:26:52 <Roy> - charter: https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-wg-2023-draft.html
14:26:52 <Roy> - issue: https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375
14:29:47 <Fredrik> matatk: Things are moving in terms of a11y in Web of Things.
14:30:28 <janina> q?
14:30:58 <Fredrik> matatk: For clarification: said things are moving in the right direction.
14:31:14 <Fredrik> zkaim, next item
14:31:36 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:31:36 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Explicit Review Requests https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:32:07 <Roy> subtopic: Scalable Video Coding (SVC) Extension for WebRTC
14:32:07 <Roy> -   issue: https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues/57
14:32:07 <Roy> -   tracking: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Scalable_Video_Coding_(SVC)_Extension_for_WebRTC
14:32:18 <Fredrik> Roy: There is no comment on this.
14:32:22 <Fredrik> matatk: I have just updated the wiki page.
14:32:44 <Fredrik> matatk: I had a look at this, and its history. I haven't had as much time to think about it as I would like, but I think we should let it go on this occasion.
14:33:04 <Fredrik> matatk: We have said it si too low level.It still is low level and I think we should continue in this vein. We should approve it.
14:33:25 <janina> q?
14:33:41 <Fredrik> matatk: The only thing I wanted to have more time to think about is just whether it compares to the situation we had with the Compute Pressure API where we make decisions on priroitizing things which can have a11y implications.
14:34:30 <Fredrik> matatk: If we do cahnge our minds in the future, we can ask them to add it.
14:34:50 <Fredrik> matatk: We should go with the same result as last time: it's low level and so out of our purview.
14:35:01 <Fredrik> janina: Don't block CRs unnecessarily!
14:35:25 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:35:25 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
14:35:44 <Fredrik> Roy: Nothing new here.
14:35:48 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:35:48 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
14:35:49 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:35:49 <Zakim> 8. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from janina]
14:35:50 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:35:50 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
14:36:09 <Roy> subtopic: RDF star WG
14:36:10 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 Turtle ->  https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-turtle/
14:36:10 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Service Description -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-service-description/
14:36:10 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Query Language -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-query/
14:36:10 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 XML Syntax -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-xml/
14:36:11 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Graph Store Protocol -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-graph-store-protocol/
14:36:12 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Update -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-update/
14:36:14 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Query Results CSV and TSV Formats -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-results-csv-tsv/
14:36:16 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 Concepts and Abstract Syntax -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-concepts/
14:36:18 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 N-Quads -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-n-quads/
14:36:20 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Query Results JSON Format -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-results-json/
14:36:22 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Protocol -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-protocol/
14:36:24 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 TriG -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-trig/
14:36:26 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Query Results XML Format -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-results-xml/
14:36:30 <Roy> - SPARQL 1.2 Federated Query -> https://www.w3.org/TR/sparql12-federated-query/
14:36:32 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 Schema -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-schema/
14:36:34 <Roy> - RDF 1.2 N-Triples -> https://www.w3.org/TR/rdf12-n-triples/
14:38:39 <Fredrik> janina: Lisa Seeman is our Keeper of RDF.
14:38:56 <Fredrik> janina: I think we should ask her to review these.
14:39:01 <Fredrik> matatk: +1
14:40:25 <Fredrik> Roy: There is another one!
14:40:25 <Roy> subtopic: BBS Cryptosuite v2023
14:40:25 <Roy> - tracker: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/BBS_Cryptosuite_v2023
14:40:25 <Roy> - Spec: https://www.w3.org/TR/vc-di-bbs/
14:41:10 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:41:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-apa-minutes.html matatk
14:41:35 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: This is a very short spec describing how to use thte BBS library. It is not advised to write your own algorithsm in crypto.
14:41:59 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: It's just how to implement the cryptography required for Verified Credentials.
14:42:23 <Fredrik> janina: To quote Lionel: Run away form anyone sho says they use their proprietary encryption.
14:42:49 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: Can I figure out how BBS was used? Privacy and security are completely blank here, no a11y section as well.
14:43:11 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: WE may give it a pass or we can ask for an a11y section.
14:43:24 <Fredrik> Lionel_Wolberger: We would want persons with disabilities to determine the use of BBS.
14:43:41 <Fredrik> janina: Let's not borrow trouble. I recommend passing on this one.
14:43:56 <Fredrik> Roy: This is FPWD.
14:44:05 <Fredrik> janina: If they come up with something we care about, we'll care about it.
14:44:32 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:44:32 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- CSS Update (Paul) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
14:45:03 <Fredrik> janina: Let's assume things can wait a week...
14:45:07 <Fredrik> zakim, clos ethis item
14:45:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clos ethis item', Fredrik
14:45:09 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:45:09 <Zakim> agendum 9 was just opened, Fredrik
14:45:19 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:45:19 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
14:45:21 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:45:21 <Zakim> 10. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
14:45:24 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:45:24 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
14:46:23 <Fredrik> janina: We have some great ways of looking at open actions now.
14:46:43 <Fredrik> janina: We're tracking in the APA repo on GitHub.
14:46:53 <Fredrik> zakim, close this item
14:46:53 <Zakim> agendum 10 closed
14:46:54 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:46:54 <Zakim> 11. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from janina]
14:46:55 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:46:56 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from janina]
14:47:11 <Fredrik> subtopic? ADAPT
14:47:24 <Fredrik> janina: We are dealing with issues raised in Registry and making good progress.
14:47:38 <Fredrik> janina: We are engaging with Accessible Web fvor Children CG which will be of great help.
14:47:50 <Fredrik> subtopic: Spoken Presentation
14:48:22 <Fredrik> matatk: Still waiting for feedback. There is a general sort of leaning to a direc tion that might be acceptable to both browser vendors and AT vendors.
14:48:36 <Fredrik> subtopic: RQTF
14:48:43 <Fredrik> janina: Still working on CTAUR.
14:48:59 <Fredrik> janina: We are not holding the document up.
14:49:06 <Fredrik> janina: RAUR is on our plate as wel.
14:49:49 <Fredrik> janina: We have the version of Zoom where it is possible to pin the ASL: interpreters so that they get spotlighted along with the speaking person. We will be updating the RAUR as a result and thanking Zoom for that and push the development further.
14:50:07 <Fredrik> janina: That's kind of exciting. It was always there but not turned on by MIT.
14:50:26 <Fredrik> subtopic: Maturity
14:50:35 <Fredrik> janina: Issue after issue after issue...
14:50:48 <Fredrik> janina: nAnd then there's the FAST CFC.
14:50:56 <janina> q?
14:51:00 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:51:00 <Zakim> agendum 12 -- Other Business -- taken up [from janina]
14:52:03 <Fredrik> janina: Roy can tell us whether its finished, but Ghurlhub *Girlhub?) should be available for everyone now.
14:53:10 <Fredrik> janina: A preview of coming attractions. There are premissions issues still and so on.
14:53:36 <janina> q?
14:54:59 <Fredrik> zakim, next item
14:54:59 <Zakim> agendum 13 -- be done -- taken up [from janina]
14:55:13 <Fredrik> zakim, end meeting
14:55:13 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fredrik, Roy, janina, PaulG, Lionel_Wolberger
14:55:15 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:55:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/24-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:55:23 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Fredrik; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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