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14:00:53 <kaz> meeting: WoT Discovery
14:01:04 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tomoaki_Mizushima
14:01:30 <kaz> present+ Kunihiko_Toumura
14:01:39 <kaz> present+ Farshid_Tavakolizadeh
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14:04:25 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Discovery_WebConf#22_May_2023
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14:06:47 <kaz> q+
14:06:57 <FarshidT> topic: Minutes review
14:07:46 <kaz> ack k
14:07:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-wot-discovery-minutes.html May-15
14:08:08 <FarshidT> topic: PRs
14:08:25 <FarshidT> mmc: some PRs will close some issues
14:09:35 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve tdd-registrationinfo-expiry-config #482
14:09:38 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/482
14:10:29 <FarshidT> mmc: commented out the markdown in case we wanna add it back and reuse the same ID
14:10:45 <FarshidT> ... changed MAY to may
14:11:16 <FarshidT> s/markdown/assertion markdown/
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14:11:34 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve tdd-http-alternate-language and tdd-validation-response-lang #483
14:11:38 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/483
14:12:34 <kaz> present+ Jan_Romann, Andrea_Cimmino
14:14:58 <FarshidT> [refer to PR description and new inline comments for details]
14:15:51 <FarshidT> merged
14:16:06 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve resolve-tdd-notification-data-diff-unsupported #484
14:16:10 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/484
14:19:26 <FarshidT> mmc: accepted the suggestion on PR for simpler working
14:19:35 <FarshidT> s/working/wording/
14:19:38 <FarshidT> merged
14:19:53 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve exploration-secboot-oauth2-flows #485
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14:20:20 <JKRhb> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html JKRhb
14:20:34 <JKRhb> rrsagent, make log public
14:26:09 <FarshidT> mmc: it appears that the entire "MUST reply with an HTTP "401 (Unauthorized)" response code..." assertion was at risk. So we need to downgrade the whole assertion.
14:27:03 <FarshidT> ... need to reword the PR
14:27:21 <FarshidT> s/reword/rework/
14:27:43 <FarshidT> ... will close in favor of a new PR.
14:28:44 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve security assertions #486
14:28:47 <benfrancis> Sorry I can't join (noisy cafe), but surely, technically, as long as a server responded with either 401 response, or a 302/304 response, the assertion was satisfied?
14:30:09 <benfrancis> (Never mind, I will follow up asynchronously)
14:30:57 <FarshidT> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/486
14:31:36 <FarshidT> mmc: We can't make the entire section informative (PR suggestion), because some of the assertions are not at risk.
14:35:04 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve privacy assertions #487
14:35:08 <FarshidT> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/487
14:37:08 <FarshidT> mmc: some normative assertions but they were all at risk going into CR
14:38:56 <FarshidT> ... making everything under the section as informative requires consensus
14:39:31 <FarshidT> ft: better leave them mixed in as with the security considerations
14:40:18 <FarshidT> subtopic: Resolve sort_by specification issue #488
14:40:22 <FarshidT> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/488
14:44:22 <FarshidT> mmc: we didn't specify the syntax for the sort_by
14:44:35 <FarshidT> ... we also didn't specify what to do if the field is missing from the TD
14:46:08 <FarshidT> ... it was at risk going to CR, so we can downgrade the whole assertion to an informative statement
14:47:32 <FarshidT> ... and at the same time replace it with JSON Pointer.
14:54:29 <FarshidT> ... Keeping the feature as informative is strange. Better take out the whole assertion and related ones.
14:56:23 <FarshidT> ... there is one non-at-risk assertion but it depends on the at-risk ones. So, removing that too is justified.
14:59:40 <FarshidT> ... This also affect the sort_order argument which is specified together with sort_by in the same at-risk assertion.
15:02:11 <FarshidT> Need to also edit the Thing Model to drop sort_by and sort_order
15:07:32 <FarshidT> ... as well as the example for HTTP error codes.
15:12:38 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:12:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:12:51 <kaz> s/issue #488/PR #488/
15:12:57 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:12:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:13:12 <kaz> chair: McCool
15:13:27 <FarshidT> subtopic: add reference to IoT'16 paper #489
15:13:34 <FarshidT> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/489
15:13:40 <kaz> s/Need to/... Need to/
15:13:46 <JKRhb> scribenick: JKRhb
15:13:46 <kaz> scribenick: JKRhb
15:14:07 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 489
15:14:17 <JKRhb> mm: This PR resolves Issue 147
15:14:33 <JKRhb> ... by adding a paper mentioned in the issue
15:14:44 <JKRhb> ... promised the authors to reference them
15:15:05 <JKRhb> ... cited them in the examples section and added them to the Acknowledgements section
15:15:44 <JKRhb> ... also need to finish the Acknowledgement section, mention all contributors, should be very mechanical based on the commit logs of the last two years
15:15:48 <JKRhb> ... can also do it offline
15:15:57 <JKRhb> ... any objection to merging this?
15:16:03 <JKRhb> ... hearing no objection, merging
15:16:07 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/489
15:16:15 <JKRhb> Merged
15:16:26 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/490
15:16:41 <McCool_> still need to finish the acknowledgement
15:16:42 <JKRhb> mm: The issue about the Acknowledgments is #490, I will open another PR to resolve it
15:16:56 <JKRhb> ... will resolve by the time of the final resolution
15:17:05 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 472
15:17:17 <JKRhb> mm: This one also relates to an at-risk item
15:17:31 <JKRhb> ... we agreed the assertion regarding UDP and TTDs was unresolvable
15:17:37 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/472/files
15:17:38 <JKRhb> ... so we split up the table
15:18:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:18:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:18:18 <JKRhb> ... I added a sentence saying that "this table is normative" and marked the TTD UDP assertion as "For future use"
15:18:28 <JKRhb> ... as it is reserved, since it is registered with IANA
15:18:36 <kaz> s|subtopic: PR 489||
15:19:21 <JKRhb> ... (explains the new table structure in the document)
15:19:26 <JKRhb> ... any objections to merging?
15:19:36 <JKRhb> No objections, merged
15:19:50 <JKRhb> subtopic: PR 471
15:19:51 <kaz> i|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/490|subtopic: Add Acknowledgements #490|
15:20:04 <JKRhb> mm: We had this long discussion regarding context URLs
15:20:17 <JKRhb> ... made a long list of changes
15:20:41 <kaz> i|This one also relates|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/471 PR 471 - Update context URLs|
15:21:00 <JKRhb> ... context URLs are now using the year 2022 and "-did" instead of "/did"
15:21:08 <JKRhb> ... in order to avoid conflicts in the future
15:21:39 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/471 PR 471 - Update context URLs|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/472 PR 472 - Make DNS-SD service name for UDP TDD informative|
15:21:54 <JKRhb> ... the context URL for directories is still using "/discovery"
15:22:05 <JKRhb> ... also updated all of the examples
15:22:11 <kaz> i|We had this|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/471 PR 471 - Update context URLs|
15:22:18 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:22:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:22:32 <JKRhb> ft: I am wondering if you also removed all of the editors' notes? Since there were a couple that mentioned this
15:22:38 <JKRhb> mm: Let me check
15:23:32 <JKRhb> ... (finds that there still a number of Editor's notes regarding this issue, removes them)
15:24:19 <JKRhb> ... one other note is commented out, I will leave that one alone
15:24:56 <JKRhb> ... (finds a couple of other commented out notes, leaves them as they are)
15:26:24 <JKRhb> ... (looks at the new state of the PR)
15:26:47 <JKRhb> ... let's double check the rendering
15:28:39 <JKRhb> ... URLs got changed, some whitespace changes, notes got taken out, pagination got also updated
15:28:50 <JKRhb> ... I think we're good, any objection to merging?
15:28:58 <JKRhb> ... (no objections, merged)
15:29:12 <JKRhb> mm: I think that means we have no more PRs
15:29:17 <JKRhb> topic: Issues
15:29:28 <JKRhb> mm: Let's filter by "resolve by PR"
15:29:44 <JKRhb> ... there is a distressingly large number left
15:29:56 <JKRhb> ... but I guess that can also be interpreted as "defer"
15:30:03 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/187
15:30:06 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 187
15:30:24 <JKRhb> mm: This is about the registration with IANA
15:30:27 <JKRhb> ... this is all done
15:30:35 <JKRhb> ... (closes the issue)
15:30:43 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 201
15:31:09 <JKRhb> mm: This one, I did not get around to, I am not going to resolve it, so no sequence diagram
15:31:10 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/187||
15:31:23 <JKRhb> ... but I will simply mark it as "defer to discovery 2.0"
15:31:34 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 402
15:31:41 <JKRhb> mm: I think this one is also done
15:31:47 <kaz> i|This is about|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/187 Issue 187 - Registration of Well-known URI, DNS-SD and DID Service Names, CoRE Resource Type|
15:31:57 <JKRhb> ... the issue is that they haven't merged there PR yet since they need an ontology file
15:32:01 <JKRhb> ... but I have created a PR
15:32:13 <JKRhb> s/there/their/
15:32:25 <JKRhb> ... and updated it
15:32:26 <kaz> i|This one,|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/201 Issue 201 - Sequence diagrams for DID based discovery approaches|
15:32:48 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment to the issue)
15:32:53 <kaz> i|I think thi|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/402 Issue 402 - Register DID service names|
15:33:06 <JKRhb> ... question is, should we leave it open and wait or should we close it?
15:33:10 <kaz> q+
15:33:21 <JKRhb> ... I think it is something that we can label as "Resolve by REC"
15:33:46 <JKRhb> kaz: As I mentioned, this kind of registration process is different from the publication process
15:33:48 <kaz> ack k
15:33:59 <JKRhb> ... so we can move ahead and resolve this issue later
15:34:20 <JKRhb> mm: I agree, let's label it as "Resolve by end of charter"
15:34:28 <JKRhb> ... (adds the label)
15:34:46 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 467
15:34:52 <JKRhb> mm: We did this
15:34:58 <JKRhb> ... but the ontology is still open
15:35:08 <JKRhb> ... let's relate it to the other issue (402)
15:35:17 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment)
15:36:04 <JKRhb> ... (adds the label "Resolve by end of charter")
15:36:10 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 449
15:36:18 <JKRhb> mm: This has been fixed actually
15:36:25 <JKRhb> ... so I think we can close this issue
15:36:28 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/449
15:36:50 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 448
15:36:58 <JKRhb> mm: This one, I actually fixed already
15:37:42 <JKRhb> ... PR 472 fixed it, but the issue was not automatically closed for some reason
15:37:46 <kaz> i|We did this|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/467 Issue 467 - Resolve Remaining DID issues|
15:38:06 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment and closes the issue)
15:38:08 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/448
15:38:19 <kaz> i|This has been|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/449 Issue 449 - DID Implementation Fix|
15:38:33 <JKRhb> subtopic: 328
15:38:42 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/328
15:38:48 <JKRhb> mm: This was an editorial review, I am sure we resolved all of the points, so I am going to close it
15:38:58 <kaz> i|This one,|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/448 Issue 448 - Assertion for DNS referencing UDP may be split normative/informative|
15:39:12 <JKRhb> ... not sure if it was fully resolved
15:39:27 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/328|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/328 Issue 328 - CR WD review June 2022|
15:39:30 <JKRhb> ... I am going to remove the label
15:39:32 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:39:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:39:54 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment that the issue is not a blocker for PR)
15:40:09 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 148
15:40:17 <JKRhb> mm: This one I think is also resolved
15:40:40 <JKRhb> ... we had to sort out which our context URLs are and I think we did that
15:40:41 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/148
15:40:45 <JKRhb> ... so we can close the issue
15:40:51 <JKRhb> ... any objections to closing?
15:41:07 <JKRhb> ... (adds a comment and closes the issue)
15:41:10 <kaz> s|https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/148||
15:41:13 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 141
15:41:30 <JKRhb> mm: Great idea, but did not get around to work on it
15:41:35 <kaz> i|This one I think|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/148 Issue 148 - Discovery context and namespace under w3.org/ns
15:41:37 <JKRhb> ... let's defer it to 2.0
15:41:49 <JKRhb> ... (changes the label)
15:42:09 <kaz> i|Great idea|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/141 Issue 141 - Add query examples to spec|
15:42:14 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 69
15:42:15 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/69
15:42:28 <JKRhb> mm: In general, we probably need to defer informative issues
15:42:37 <JKRhb> ... this also applies to this issue
15:42:47 <JKRhb> ... (adds the "Defer to 2.0" label)
15:43:02 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 64
15:43:29 <JKRhb> mm: (adds the "defer to 2.0" label)
15:43:40 <JKRhb> ... now we have two issues left
15:44:24 <JKRhb> ... my plan is to do the acknowledgements offline and then send an email to the group to check
15:44:29 <JKRhb> subtopic: Issue 185
15:45:18 <JKRhb> mm: To resolve this, I think we should move this to the Profile repository
15:45:38 <JKRhb> ... (moves the issue to the wot-profile repository)
15:46:03 <JKRhb> ... now only the Acknowledgments are left, which means that we are basically done
15:46:14 <JKRhb> ... I could do that now or offline
15:46:34 <JKRhb> ... I'll do it offline and then send an email around
15:46:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:46:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:47:07 <JKRhb> ... with an alphabtical list of all people who submitted a PR, whether it was merged or not
15:47:08 <kaz> s/subtopic: 328/subtopic: Issue 328/
15:47:29 <JKRhb> ... editor's won't be mentioned a second time in the Acknowledgements section
15:47:42 <JKRhb> s/editor's/editors/
15:47:52 <kaz> i|adds the "def"|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/64 Issue 64 - XPath queries of vocabulary using namespaces|
15:48:07 <JKRhb> ... anything else we need to worry about?
15:48:08 <kaz> q+
15:48:35 <JKRhb> ... I will do another readthrough, if I notice anything editorial, I will send an email around
15:48:55 <JKRhb> ... it will basically be a sanity check, other than that we are done
15:49:12 <JKRhb> kaz: Do you mean we will make the resolution for publication by email?
15:49:26 <JKRhb> mm: We could do the resolution right now
15:49:32 <JKRhb> ... which is not a bad idea
15:50:23 <McCool_> proposal: Discovery TF approves the current version of the WoT Discovery document as the PR draft, with the exception of additional acknowledgements and spelling and grammar corrections.
15:50:43 <JKRhb> kaz: Does that mean that we already resolved all necessary issues and PRs?
15:51:04 <JKRhb> mm: Yes, we are done, except for editorial changes
15:51:40 <McCool_> proposal: Discovery TF approves the current version of the WoT Discovery document as the PR draft, with the exception of additional acknowledgements and spelling and grammar corrections.  Final editorial changes will be approved during the main call prior to the resolution for PR transition.
15:51:43 <JKRhb> ... we should do a call for resolution in the main call for PR transition
15:52:14 <JKRhb> kaz: So the remaining issues can be deferred?
15:52:31 <JKRhb> mm: The remaining ones are deferred or related to the implementation report
15:52:40 <JKRhb> ... but there are also some editorial ones
15:53:07 <JKRhb> ... in the remaining time we could scan these issues to see if there is anything we should resolve
15:53:30 <JKRhb> ... (goes through the issues, labels some as editorial)
15:53:54 <JKRhb> ... will double-check issue 410
15:54:17 <JKRhb> ... will see if I can clean it up as part of the general cleanup
15:54:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:54:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:54:59 <kaz> ack k
15:55:08 <JKRhb> ... (labels issue 413 as deferred to Discovery 2.0)
15:55:20 <kaz> i|adds the "defer|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/64 Issue 64 - XPath queries of vocabulary using namespaces|
15:55:39 <McCool_> proposal: Discovery TF approves the current version of the WoT Discovery document as the PR draft, with the exception of additional acknowledgements and spelling and grammar corrections.  Final editorial changes will be approved during the main call prior to the resolution for PR transition.
15:56:13 <McCool_> resolution: Discovery TF approves the current version of the WoT Discovery document as the PR draft, with the exception of additional acknowledgements and spelling and grammar corrections.  Final editorial changes will be approved during the main call prior to the resolution for PR transition.
15:56:22 <JKRhb> topic: Testing
15:56:35 <JKRhb> mm: Some testing things need to be resolved by PR transition
15:56:35 <McCool_> https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/issues/416
15:56:49 <JKRhb> ... issue 416 has been resolved, going to close it
15:56:55 <JKRhb> ... (closes issue 416)
15:57:11 <JKRhb> ... issue 415 has also been resolved
15:57:24 <JKRhb> ... can you look into this issue, Farshid?
15:57:32 <kaz> i|To resolve this,|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/397 former wot-discovery Issue 185, which has been moved to wot-profile as Issue 397|
15:57:48 <JKRhb> ft: Will look into it
15:58:12 <kaz> i/now only the issue/topic: Next steps/
15:58:15 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:58:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
15:58:34 <JKRhb> mm: I update the implementation report, please look into the testing-related issues in the meantime
15:58:59 <JKRhb> ... (adds "Resolve by PR" to issue 415)
15:59:34 <JKRhb> mm: Let's close the meeting
15:59:46 <JKRhb> [adjourned]
16:00:50 <kaz> i/now only the Ac/topic: Next steps/
16:00:51 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:00:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/22-wot-discovery-minutes.html kaz
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