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13:46:18 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel_Wolberger
13:46:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> Meeting: Adapt Task Force Monday May 15 Weekly Teleconference
13:55:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, clear agenda
13:55:29 <Zakim> agenda cleared
13:55:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Administrivia: Meeting on Memorial Day?
13:55:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ A11y4Children ontology follow-ups
13:55:54 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240
13:55:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis
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13:55:58 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Review open issues
13:56:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Test to show rendering symbols do not 'break' existing pages
13:56:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Recruiting
13:56:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Registry update
13:56:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ Symbol Module Implementations
13:56:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda+ User Agents and Symbols (e.g. Immersive Reader)
13:56:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
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14:05:40 <matatk> present+
14:05:40 <janina> present+
14:06:15 <matatk> scribe+ matatk
14:06:20 <Sharon> present+
14:06:25 <matatk> agenda?
14:06:31 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:06:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Administrivia: Meeting on Memorial Day? -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:06:39 <matatk> suptopic: Zoom
14:06:44 <matatk> subtopic: Zoom
14:07:17 <matatk> janina: W3C now has its own Zoom set-up. Matthew, Roy, and I were able to play with it last week, and it has some really cool accessibility features.
14:07:26 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:07:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:08:10 <matatk> zakim, who's here?
14:08:10 <Zakim> Present: janina, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger, Sharon, Roy, Russell, matatk
14:08:10 <Zakim> On IRC I see matatk, Sharon, janina, RRSAgent, Lionel_Wolberger, ralph1, Zakim, ghurlbot, imlostlmao, gonzu_15, justinestrada, Mike5Matrix, sdd, Github, trackbot
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14:08:52 <matatk> janina: Interlinear translations are now possible, e.g. you can show what someone's saying in both Chinese and English.
14:09:04 <russell> present+
14:09:42 <matatk> janina: We'll find out soon if we can pin the ASL interpreter (i.e. if they are meeting the RAUR).
14:10:14 <matatk> ... ( https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/ )
14:10:53 <matatk> present- mike_beganyi
14:10:56 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:10:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:11:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:11:43 <matatk> janina: We will have new meeting details for the group and TF meetings.
14:12:14 <matatk> ... We will make an announcement to all groups.
14:12:53 <matatk> ... The W3.org teleconf info page will remain at the same address, but the meeting ID will change.
14:15:25 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:15:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:16:48 <matatk> subtopic: Meetings in the next couple of weeks
14:17:28 <matatk> Sharon: Memorial day is the 29th, and US won't be able to make it.
14:17:41 <matatk> matatk: I can't make the 29th either (UK holiday).
14:17:54 <russell> q?
14:17:56 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: We _will_ meet on the 22nd, but not on the 29th.
14:18:02 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:18:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- A11y4Children ontology follow-ups -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:18:16 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: janina sent her email to ping them.
14:18:28 <matatk> q+
14:19:36 <matatk> matatk: Wanted to ask if we may see them at TPAC.
14:19:47 <matatk> janina: Not yet (wanted to concentrate on current message/work).
14:19:58 <matatk> matatk: WFM
14:20:01 <matatk> ack me
14:20:04 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:20:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Issue 240, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/issues/240 -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:21:13 <janina>  q+
14:21:22 <matatk> russell: There is a problem with using the Unicode code points for IDs, in that we are tying the ID to the graphical representation. That's not the way it works with the BCI IDs, and I don't think it's the way it should work,
14:21:53 <matatk> ... because the graphical reprsesentation can change. This has happened, becuase things do change. Almost every [Bliss] release, there are modifications to the symbols.
14:22:59 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: This brings to mind primary key; the Unicode CPs don't sound like appropriate primary keys.
14:23:11 <matatk> s/modifications to the symbols/modifications to a small number of the symbols/
14:23:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:23:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ack janina
14:24:18 <russell> q?
14:24:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe+
14:24:32 <matatk> janina: Thanks russell for your perspective on this. The W3C view would, and should, be that the primary key is tied to the concept, not the symbol.
14:24:48 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:24:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:25:04 <matatk> janina: Remembering from college, a lesson that signs and symbosl are not the same thing.
14:25:09 <matatk> s/not the symbol
14:25:17 <matatk> s/not the symbol/not the representation/
14:25:28 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:26:36 <matatk> russell: Something that can happen with the BCI ID system is that it is possible to get two IDs that refer to essentially the same concept, but they are natural cases that can happen with language, as representations (like spellings) change.
14:27:17 <matatk> s/the concept, not the symbol/the concept, not the representation/
14:27:20 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:27:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:27:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:27:48 <matatk> janina: This is great stuff russell, and the right approach to thinking on it to've taken.
14:28:05 <matatk> russell: I've tried to be as objective/impartial as possible.
14:28:39 <matatk> janina: We'd like to leave the follow-up with you; you're welcome to draft a reply and we can respond on the Adapt list.
14:34:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:36:09 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: I'll take the action to draft our response.
14:36:23 <matatk> zakim, next item
14:36:23 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Gap Analysis, https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis -- taken up [from Lionel_Wolberger]
14:36:38 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:36:58 <matatk> https://github.com/w3c/adapt/wiki/Gap-Analysis,-WAI-Adapt-Content-Attributes
14:38:36 <janina> scribe+
14:38:49 <janina> matatk: Have read most through, not yet finished with microformats
14:39:00 <janina> matatk: will add actions for what's left ...
14:39:08 <janina> matatk: pleased with the shape of the doc
14:39:33 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Should we work as a group now? Or hold off and do some more on the side?
14:39:44 <janina> matatk: Let's review the goals
14:40:03 <janina> matatk: Might be good to reinforce what gaps we're talking about
14:40:30 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: Points to the 3rd paragraph ...
14:40:54 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: our work has included comparing what's possible in similar vocabularies
14:41:21 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: we realized we need a quick reference memoralized, up to date, and highly available for that question
14:41:40 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: because that question comes up, and the impact assessment is critical to communicate
14:41:55 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: and from that our decision
14:42:26 <matatk> q+
14:42:38 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: we want to be in the position to answer: "Been there, done the analysis, here's what was missing and what we're plugging"
14:42:49 <janina> matatk: Understood ...
14:42:52 <janina> ack mat
14:43:14 <janina> matatk: one thing we should clarify .. perhaps only in the headings ??
14:43:40 <janina> matatk: we're looking at technologies, but it's maybe not clear that we want mq to resolve purpose, etc.
14:43:52 <janina> matatk: not all comparable tech is about all our goals
14:44:18 <janina> matatk: we should phps clarify which comparative ml we're gap analyzing for which of our objectives
14:44:34 <janina> matatk: Other thing ...
14:44:58 <janina> matatk: We have some good details from analysis done before, and we've come to the same conclusions as before
14:45:21 <janina> matatk: phps don't need to worry to much about broken urls, ...
14:46:06 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: for each related vocab
14:46:40 <janina> Lionel_Wolberger: which related vocabulary, specify which parts of the proposed Adapt spec are germane
14:46:59 <matatk> s/which related vocabulary/for each related vocabulary/
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14:47:06 <matatk> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:47:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:47:45 <matatk> s/much about broken urls, .../much about broken urls - let's organize the wiki clearly around the gap analysis structure proposed here./
14:47:48 <matatk> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:47:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
14:48:36 <matatk> Lionel_Wolberger: *revsises heading structure described in the intro, to address the clarity suggestion above*
14:48:39 <matatk> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:49:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
14:50:26 <janina> matatk: could see us splitting the page to a page per attribute lest it get too large
14:50:31 <Roy> present+
14:52:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, make minutes
14:52:12 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Lionel_Wolberger
14:52:37 <matatk> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:52:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/15-adapt-minutes.html matatk
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