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14:20:31 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:21:06 <Fazio> meeting: Maturity Model
14:21:22 <Fazio> chair: Fazio
14:21:27 <Fazio> present+
14:23:30 <Fazio> Agenda+ Discuss Publication Update Expectations
14:23:51 <Fazio> Agenda+ Under 3.4.1.2 Development category of proof points, the examples of “Accessible developer implementation resources” seem more about information. Where might you consider software and hardware tools that help with accessible development, such as access to screen readers or switches?
14:24:18 <Fazio> Agenda+ Revisit Susanna’s updates to Support Dimension https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0013.html
14:24:32 <Fazio> Agenda+ Continue discussion on TLDR https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0007.htmland Use Case https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0019.html Integration
14:24:49 <Fazio> Agenda+ New business
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15:04:08 <Fazio> topic: Zoom Changes
15:04:12 <janina> https://www.w3.org/2023/05/10-apa-minutes.html#t02
15:04:39 <Fazio> w3c leaving MIT hosted zoom on sunday
15:04:50 <Fazio> Current links won't work
15:05:18 <Fazio> changes: Meeting ID, URI
15:07:26 <Fazio> W3C zoom: Password stays same, Sign Language pinning, Multi-language live transcription
15:09:39 <Fazio> zakim, next item
15:09:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Discuss Publication Update Expectations -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:12:14 <Lionel> scribe: Lionel
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15:12:32 <janina> q?
15:12:41 <janina> ack mar
15:12:45 <Lionel> ack Mark
15:12:56 <janina> ack lio
15:14:59 <Lionel> agenda?
15:15:10 <Lionel> zakim, take up item 4
15:15:10 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Continue discussion on TLDR https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0007.htmland Use Case
15:15:12 <Zakim> ... https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0019.html Integration -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:15:54 <janina> v
15:17:03 <Lionel> stacey: Proposing Options 1 and 2 of the TLDR;
15:17:43 <CharlesL2> From Stacey:
15:17:44 <CharlesL2> Option 1
15:17:45 <CharlesL2> (added basic ROI, added small consultancies, WAI-ARIA in caps)
15:17:45 <CharlesL2> 
15:17:45 <CharlesL2> Summary
15:17:46 <CharlesL2> 
15:17:46 <CharlesL2> 1 in 6 people in the world live with a disability. Working-age people with disabilities have a discretionary income of around $21 billion. Providing accessible digital products and services is the right thing to do–and it’s good business. It’s also required by law in many countries.
15:17:46 <CharlesL2> 
15:17:47 <CharlesL2> Whether your company is just starting its cultural transformation on disability inclusion or looking to improve existing processes, the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model can help.
15:17:47 <CharlesL2> 
15:17:47 <CharlesL2> The model is designed to work for any size of organization. From small consultancies and large enterprises, to nonprofit/NGOs and government agencies, it provides actionable guides for establishing or improving policies, employee-communication, training, and tools. It also includes a way to measure and document organizational, cultural and technical capabilities.
15:17:48 <CharlesL2> 
15:17:48 <CharlesL2> The model is intended to be independent of the requirements in relevant technical accessibility standards, such as WAI-ARIA and the Web Conte
15:18:49 <CharlesL2> Option 2
15:18:49 <CharlesL2> 
15:18:49 <CharlesL2> (added basic ROI + subtle differentiator, added small consultancies, WAI-ARIA in caps)
15:18:50 <CharlesL2> 
15:18:50 <CharlesL2> Summary
15:18:50 <CharlesL2> 
15:18:51 <CharlesL2> 1 in 6 people in the world live with a disability. Working-age people with disabilities have a discretionary income of around $21 billion. Yet, only 4% of businesses are focused on making offerings inclusive of disability. Providing accessible digital products and services is the right thing to do–and it’s good business. It’s also required by law in many countries.
15:18:51 <CharlesL2> 
15:18:51 <CharlesL2> Whether your company is just starting its cultural transformation on disability inclusion or looking to improve existing processes, the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model can help.
15:18:52 <CharlesL2> 
15:18:52 <CharlesL2> The model is designed to work for any size of organization. From small consultancies and large enterprises, to nonprofit/NGOs and government agencies, it provides actionable guides for establishing or improving policies, employee-communication, training, and tools. It also includes a way to measure and document organizational, cultural and technical capabilities.
15:18:52 <CharlesL2> 
15:18:53 <CharlesL2> The model is intended to be independent of the requirements in relevant technical accessibility standards, such as WAI-ARIA and the Web Content Accessibility Guidelines (WCAG).
15:21:43 <stacey> scribe+
15:21:47 <stacey> different statistics and different ways (that are valid) to understand the stats.  the reason we have problems is that different disabilities require different combinations so that fragments things and can easily be pulled into that kind of debate by making the different arguments. what’s achievable if they go about achieving accessibility. so wink and a nod…how this encompasses multiple needs because it encompasses what people can do or mi[CUT]
15:22:12 <stacey> it’s tricky, that’s why you need a solid maturity model to do it. we’re never going to be 100% there will always be work.
15:23:47 <stacey>  it’s tricky, that’s why you need a solid maturity model to do it. we’re never going to be 100% there will always be work.
15:24:56 <Fazio> Return on Disability Report https://www.rod-group.com/sites/default/files/2020%20Annual%20Report%20-%20The%20Global%20Economics%20of%20Disability.pdf
15:25:19 <CharlesL2> s/mi[CUT]/might not be able to do.
15:26:17 <CharlesL2> rrsagent, make logs public
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15:26:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/10-maturity-minutes.html CharlesL2
15:26:45 <Lionel> janina: Whatever disability you address, it will be common to many people, including temporarily affecting people.
15:27:05 <Lionel> ... so in the interest of finding more curb cuts, it is worth building accessibility in
15:27:21 <Lionel> Fazio: Meet people where they're at, instead of bringing them to where we want them to be
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15:32:04 <janina> q?
15:32:27 <Lionel> Topic: Merging Stakeholder Information
15:32:34 <stacey> scribe+
15:34:15 <janina> q+
15:35:27 <stacey> stakeholders on left, verbs on top for what's important in the maturity model. Ex in communications we ask to measure and proof points but don't say who is supposed to work on it. Is this connect stakeholders to role?
15:36:18 <stacey> mapping roles and engagement - RACI is pretty good
15:38:27 <stacey> assigning roles to the dimensions and roles to tasks - does this contradict the model by being too perscriptive?
15:38:55 <stacey> is there a recommendation/advice that we should provide?
15:40:11 <stacey> informative appendix/ exmaple for large organizations (possibility)
15:41:43 <stacey> sounds like we're all aligned on including an example for reference (especially for larger companies)
15:46:11 <janina> scribe+
15:46:25 <janina> stacey: Looking somewhat like an accountability model?
15:46:37 <janina> stacy: Explains what accountability models do
15:47:14 <janina> stacy: who's following wcag,
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15:48:50 <stacey> accountability model - could include behaviors and actions for how a company would aim for employees to work together (inclusion/accessibility), leadership actions, recognition, legal (which ould include accessibility policies, employee policies for disability inclusion, DEI, etc.
15:49:12 <Lionel> mark: Are we trying to define roles?
15:49:27 <Lionel> Fazio: We are assisting people to recognize roles, and to identify roles that can contribute or help
15:49:32 <stacey> RACI comes into play when looking at individual efforts in the work, but not the overall company accountability to how they work/how they work with each other
15:50:22 <Lionel> ... Example: "I'm an admin asst sending out emails, whose job is it to make my emails accessible?" The answer should be, "You are!"
15:50:43 <stacey> within role in org - how could you be responsible for a11y/how much responsibility for a11y have (head of, manager, procurement, individual contributor, etc.)
15:53:13 <janina> subtopic: Please associate your W3C login with your github account
15:53:19 <janina> Please use this form:
15:53:20 <janina> https://www.w3.org/users/myprofile/connectedaccounts
15:53:33 <janina> If you don't have a githubaccount, get one!
15:56:01 <Lionel> rrsagent, make minutes
15:56:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/10-maturity-minutes.html Lionel
15:56:55 <stacey> zakim, make minutes
15:56:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', stacey
15:57:14 <janina> zakim, make minutes
15:57:14 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', janina
15:57:16 <Fazio> zakim, make minutes
15:57:16 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make minutes', Fazio
15:58:33 <stacey> zakim, bye
15:58:33 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Fazio, Lionel, janina, CharlesL, bpoday, stacey, nadine, jlkline, Mark
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