IRC log of a11yedge on 2023-05-08

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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
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Meeting: A11yEdge Teleconference
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Date 08 May 2023
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Chair: Janina
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agenda?
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agenda+ Intros (as needed)
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agenda+ Capabilities Continued -- https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/
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agenda+Actions and Next Steps Wrap-Up
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present+
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: janina
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On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, janina, dmontalvo, jcraig
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present+
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zakim, start meeting
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel
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Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Weekly Teleconference 8 May 2023
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scribe+
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kate: Reading the document in detail, and preparing for providing responses
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... Focusing on agency and human-centered principles
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present+
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janina: We want to add cross references as well
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Topic: Human Centered Principles
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katew_: Agency means 'capacity to act'. It is related to autonomy.
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... You can have autonomy but still be missing agency in particular contexts
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... Independence is larger than agency, and they may or may not be mutually exclusive
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... Independence is an attribute of a person, whereas agency is something held (or not) in relationship to something (e.g., software)
17:21:49 [Lionel]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel
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Lionel: We should express clearly the nature of agency, how users have reasonable expectations of controlling experiences
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... and focus on preserving dignity in any setting
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katew_: The conduct that we are designing for systems should follow these conventions for decency, civility, manners, digital dignity
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... no one has full agency in any experience.
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... it is helpful to consider parity. Parity of agency, or experiential parity.
17:32:50 [Lionel]
Lionel: Parity is good, keeping in mind that it might play out in qualitatively different ways over time
17:41:22 [janina]
https://www.deque.com/axe-con/sessions/preparing-accessibility-for-the-future-and-the-present/
17:42:14 [Lionel]
katew_: To support this perspective, we can spell out in a clearer what such parity would look like
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Lionel: Other helpful links
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... to join W3C and the Community Group, https://www.w3.org/community/a11yedge/
17:43:11 [katew_]
- clearer way through conventions or principles (re: parity)
17:44:11 [Lionel]
... and Jutta Treviranus video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTWlRLG48eE
17:52:26 [Lionel]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel
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Topic: Next steps
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katew_: I will make suggestions for organizing people's needs so that it aligns with human-centered principles
17:55:07 [Lionel]
janina: I intend to complete my pass #1 of my task, leaving spell checking and links for the next pass
18:03:54 [Lionel]
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/08-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel