IRC log of rdf-star on 2023-05-04
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-irc
- 15:50:00 [Zakim]
- RRSAgent, make logs Public
- 15:50:01 [Zakim]
- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
- 15:50:12 [pchampin]
- meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
- 15:51:31 [pchampin]
- previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 15:51:44 [pchampin]
- next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 15:51:57 [pchampin]
- agenda: https://beta.w3.org/events/meetings/f2add3af-6743-4f52-8fcc-4f62c6cdd8af/20230504T120000/#agenda
- 15:51:57 [agendabot]
- clear agenda
- 15:51:57 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Scribe: Alexiev, Vladimir (alternate: Arndt, Dörthe)
- 15:51:57 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Approval of last week's minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html
- 15:51:57 [agendabot]
- agenda+ TPAC 2023 attendance
- 15:51:58 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Meeting next week
- 15:52:00 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Status of "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
- 15:52:03 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Use Case Proposals
- 15:52:05 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
- 15:52:07 [pchampin]
- ghurlbot, status?
- 15:52:07 [ghurlbot]
- pchampin, the delay is 15, issues are on, names are on, commands are ignored from RRSAgent and Zakim; and the repository is https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg
- 15:52:08 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
- 15:52:11 [agendabot]
- agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting Next week's scribe: Arndt, Dörthe
- 15:52:48 [afs]
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- 15:57:05 [gkellogg]
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- 16:00:53 [ora]
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- 16:01:24 [ktk]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [ora]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [AZ]
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- 16:02:05 [pchampin]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [Dominik_T]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [gkellogg]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [AZ]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [gtw]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [pfps]
- present+
- 16:02:05 [ora]
- chair: ora
- 16:02:05 [afs]
- present+
- 16:02:14 [Tpt]
- present+
- 16:02:21 [pfps]
- zakim, who is present?
- 16:02:21 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, pfps.
- 16:02:29 [pfps]
- zakim, who is here?
- 16:02:29 [Zakim]
- Present: ktk, ora, pchampin, Dominik_T, gkellogg, AZ, gtw, pfps, afs, Tpt
- 16:02:32 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see AZ, pfps, Dominik_T, ora, TallTed, gkellogg, afs, RRSAgent, Zakim, ghurlbot, driib, agendabot, csarven, VladimirAlexiev, Timothe, Tpt, ktk, rhiaro, gtw, pchampin
- 16:03:19 [TallTed]
- present+
- 16:03:21 [TallTed]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 16:03:22 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
- 16:03:30 [TallTed]
- Zakim, who's here?
- 16:03:30 [Zakim]
- Present: ktk, ora, pchampin, Dominik_T, gkellogg, AZ, gtw, pfps, afs, Tpt, TallTed
- 16:03:30 [doerthe]
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- 16:03:30 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see AZ, pfps, Dominik_T, ora, TallTed, gkellogg, afs, RRSAgent, Zakim, ghurlbot, driib, agendabot, csarven, VladimirAlexiev, Timothe, Tpt, ktk, rhiaro, gtw, pchampin
- 16:03:39 [pchampin]
- agenda?
- 16:04:04 [doerthe]
- present+
- 16:04:19 [pchampin]
- sctibe+ doerthe
- 16:04:34 [ktk]
- scribe+ doerthe
- 16:04:37 [pchampin]
- zakim, open item 2
- 16:04:37 [Zakim]
- agendum 2 -- Approval of last week's minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:04:48 [pfps]
- minutes look fine to me
- 16:04:52 [gkellogg]
- zakim, close item 1
- 16:04:52 [Zakim]
- agendum 1, Scribe: Alexiev, Vladimir (alternate: Arndt, Dörthe), closed
- 16:04:54 [Zakim]
- I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 16:04:54 [Zakim]
- 2. Approval of last week's minutes: -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html [from agendabot]
- 16:05:24 [ora]
- PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
- 16:05:27 [ora]
- +1
- 16:05:28 [pfps]
- +1
- 16:05:29 [ktk]
- +1
- 16:05:30 [gkellogg]
- +0
- 16:05:33 [pchampin]
- +1
- 16:05:39 [doerthe]
- +1
- 16:05:39 [Dominik_T]
- +1
- 16:05:59 [TallTed]
- +0 I've failed to review them
- 16:06:17 [ora]
- RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes
- 16:06:28 [pchampin]
- zakim, next item
- 16:06:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 3 -- TPAC 2023 attendance -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:07:58 [doerthe]
- ora: no much response on possible attendance so far
- 16:08:13 [AZ]
- I would love to meet in person at TPAC but I have a 2-day meeting in the middle of the very same week
- 16:08:21 [TallTed]
- I'm unlikely to be able to travel, but can usually attend if remote facilities are available
- 16:08:26 [doerthe]
- question: how long
- 16:08:46 [doerthe]
- ora: experience 2 days, but more is exhausting
- 16:09:03 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:09:28 [ktk]
- ack pchampin
- 16:09:33 [doerthe]
- pchampin: TPAC will be hybrid
- 16:09:45 [ktk]
- q+
- 16:10:12 [doerthe]
- ora: who can attend?
- 16:10:25 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:10:38 [ora]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:10:58 [doerthe]
- andy (don't know nick): I will try to attend
- 16:11:11 [afs]
- s/andy/afs/
- 16:11:17 [ora]
- ack ktk
- 16:11:29 [gtw]
- s/ (don't know nick)//
- 16:11:33 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: attendance is also interesting for interaction with other groups
- 16:12:19 [doerthe]
- ktk: I would like many people to attend, let us know if you need invites etc...
- 16:12:45 [Dominik_T]
- q+
- 16:13:07 [pchampin]
- regrets+ olaf
- 16:13:10 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:13:11 [doerthe]
- ora: I think we have enough people interested
- 16:13:18 [ora]
- ack Dominik_T
- 16:13:39 [doerthe]
- Dominik_T: I will most likely not be able to attend physically
- 16:14:48 [ora]
- q?
- 16:14:53 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:15:13 [doerthe]
- ktk: so let's declare interest
- 16:15:52 [doerthe]
- pchampin: no commitment, but we need to communicate preferences (start/end of week)
- 16:16:05 [pchampin]
- no preference for me
- 16:16:10 [doerthe]
- ktk: please let us know your preferences
- 16:16:11 [ora]
- No strong preference on the days for me
- 16:16:14 [afs]
- Pref Tues or Thurs (around the plenary day)
- 16:16:15 [gkellogg]
- Either beginning or ending, but don't overlap with RCH or JSON-LD CG
- 16:16:45 [doerthe]
- (of protocol, not sure how to remove) I also want to attend and have no preferences
- 16:16:47 [Dominik_T]
- Pref Mon and Fri
- 16:17:06 [AZ]
- Monday and Friday preferably
- 16:17:14 [doerthe]
- pchampin: I will collect preferences and ask
- 16:18:19 [pchampin]
- action ora to respond to W3C about TPAC meeting
- 16:18:25 [pchampin]
- action: ora to respond to W3C about TPAC meeting
- 16:18:33 [ghurlbot]
- Created -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57
- 16:18:39 [pchampin]
- zakim, next item
- 16:18:39 [Zakim]
- agendum 4 -- Meeting next week -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:19:24 [doerthe]
- ora: I will be at the knowledge graph conference next week, what about the others? should we skip the meeting?
- 16:19:39 [doerthe]
- ktk: I can chair if ora is the only one missing
- 16:19:42 [pchampin]
- zakim, next item
- 16:19:42 [Zakim]
- agendum 5 -- Status of "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:19:48 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:19:55 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:19:56 [doerthe]
- ora: where are we
- 16:20:26 [doerthe]
- pchampin: request was accepted by w3c but only one hour ago
- 16:21:14 [doerthe]
- pchampin: that means that we will not make it to the next meeting but to a later one (date? help?)
- 16:21:20 [afs]
- q+
- 16:21:28 [ora]
- ack afs
- 16:22:36 [doerthe]
- afs: two documents missing, new and ?
- 16:22:46 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:22:55 [doerthe]
- afs: I will produce the documents
- 16:22:55 [ora]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:23:56 [afs]
- q+
- 16:24:03 [ora]
- ack afs
- 16:24:06 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: sparql results xml and rdf semantics needs some extra requests which are not yet included
- 16:24:24 [pfps]
- q+
- 16:24:36 [ora]
- ack pfps
- 16:25:12 [doerthe]
- afs: currently working on sparql results xml, that should not stop us
- 16:25:55 [pchampin]
- example: https://w3c.github.io/rdf-semantics/spec/#index-defined-elsewhere
- 16:26:01 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:26:07 [ora]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:26:24 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:26:27 [doerthe]
- pfps: semantics, pr resolving links to elsewhere https://w3c.github.io/rdf-semantics/spec/#index-defined-elsewhere
- 16:27:21 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: I prefer mark-up style to square brackets
- 16:28:00 [doerthe]
- pfps: it is not about the style, it is more about links ending up in the index
- 16:28:50 [pchampin]
- see also the discussion on the respec issue tracker: https://github.com/w3c/respec/issues/4438
- 16:30:13 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:30:51 [TallTed]
- q+
- 16:31:03 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:31:05 [ora]
- ack TallTed
- 16:31:07 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: there seems to be a bug?
- 16:31:23 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:31:42 [doerthe]
- pchampin: we can't change respec, we will have to work around as pfps proposed
- 16:31:53 [ora]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:32:08 [pchampin]
- q-
- 16:32:48 [pfps]
- q+
- 16:32:51 [pfps]
- q-
- 16:33:06 [ora]
- q+
- 16:33:09 [ora]
- ack ora
- 16:33:26 [pchampin]
- i|semantics, pr resolving links|subtopic: respec introducing spurious terms in index
- 16:33:33 [doerthe]
- Discussion: situation is frustrating
- 16:34:24 [pchampin]
- +1 to gkellogg's workaround
- 16:34:34 [doerthe]
- ora: what can we do to get our first spec version out?
- 16:35:29 [ktk]
- q+
- 16:35:41 [ora]
- ack ktk
- 16:35:59 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:36:27 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:37:57 [doerthe]
- discussion: there must be a way to fix the version of the respec used and not get errors when respec is updated?
- 16:38:12 [doerthe]
- ora: what do we do?
- 16:38:14 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:38:20 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:38:33 [doerthe]
- pfps: ignore the problem for now and then solve it later on?
- 16:38:46 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:39:02 [ora]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:39:02 [doerthe]
- pchampin: alternatively, ignore the index and create document without it
- 16:39:58 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: maybe add text that specs are under development
- 16:40:15 [pchampin]
- I was suggesting to remove it from the snapshot, not necessarily the ED
- 16:41:03 [gkellogg]
- Perhaps ask for a `data-noindex` attribute that could be added to an anchor with a `data-cite` to keep it out of the index
- 16:41:18 [doerthe]
- pchampin: I would just remove the index from the snapshot for now, not for the editing
- 16:41:55 [doerthe]
- ora: suggestion, we live with the current problems for now and will fix them later
- 16:42:51 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: I expect it to be possible to ask for small changes in respec
- 16:43:05 [pchampin]
- q+
- 16:43:11 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:44:01 [pchampin]
- agenda?
- 16:44:13 [doerthe]
- pchampin: we should do the open requests, and then publish
- 16:44:13 [pchampin]
- zakim, open 8
- 16:44:13 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'open 8', pchampin
- 16:44:17 [pchampin]
- zakim, open item 8
- 16:44:17 [Zakim]
- agendum 8 -- Review of pull requests, available at -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:45:31 [gkellogg]
- q+
- 16:46:24 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: I merged what I had done
- 16:48:29 [doerthe]
- discussion: we will create snapshots in the repo
- 16:50:04 [doerthe]
- ora: we have not much time left for use case discussions, we will do that next week
- 16:50:10 [pchampin]
- zakim, open item 7
- 16:50:10 [Zakim]
- agendum 7 -- Review of open actions, available at -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 16:50:56 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: we can close 88
- 16:51:03 [gkellogg]
- s/88/188/
- 16:51:25 [pchampin]
- q+ to report on #49
- 16:51:25 [ghurlbot]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/49 -> Action 49 put in the repo the "source of truth" for labels (on pchampin) due 13 Apr 2023
- 16:51:45 [gkellogg]
- ghurlbot, close #188
- 16:51:46 [ghurlbot]
- Cannot close issue #188. Issue not found.
- 16:51:48 [ora]
- ack gkellogg
- 16:51:55 [gkellogg]
- ghurlbot, close #18
- 16:51:56 [ghurlbot]
- Closed -> action #18 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/18
- 16:52:13 [ora]
- ack pchampin
- 16:52:13 [Zakim]
- pchampin, you wanted to report on #49
- 16:52:27 [pchampin]
- https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/blob/main/docs/labels.json
- 16:53:20 [doerthe]
- pchampin: report om #49 I did create a json scheme, you can do pull request to improve
- 16:53:33 [ktk]
- ghurlbot, close #49
- 16:53:34 [ghurlbot]
- Closed -> action #49 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/49
- 16:53:54 [doerthe]
- ora: first public working draft is about to come out
- 16:54:28 [doerthe]
- gkellogg: once they are out we should update references
- 16:54:59 [doerthe]
- scribe-
- 16:55:00 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 16:55:01 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
- 16:55:35 [doerthe]
- (I was not expecting to scribe, so my appologies for the incomplete report :) )
- 16:55:54 [pchampin]
- s/action ora to respond to W3C about TPAC meeting//
- 16:56:16 [pchampin]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 16:56:18 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
- 16:57:31 [pchampin]
- dl
- 16:57:32 [pchampin]
- le
- 16:58:00 [pchampin]
- doerthe not at all, the scribing was good :)
- 16:58:58 [ktk]
- thanks doerthe!