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15:50:00 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:50:01 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), pchampin
15:50:12 <pchampin> meeting: RDF-star WG weekly meeting
15:51:31 <pchampin> previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:51:44 <pchampin> next meeting: https://www.w3.org/2023/05/11-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:51:57 <pchampin> agenda: https://beta.w3.org/events/meetings/f2add3af-6743-4f52-8fcc-4f62c6cdd8af/20230504T120000/#agenda
15:51:57 <agendabot> clear agenda
15:51:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Scribe: Alexiev, Vladimir (alternate: Arndt, Dörthe)
15:51:57 <agendabot> agenda+ Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html
15:51:57 <agendabot> agenda+ TPAC 2023 attendance
15:51:58 <agendabot> agenda+ Meeting next week
15:52:00 <agendabot> agenda+ Status of "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD)
15:52:03 <agendabot> agenda+ Use Case Proposals
15:52:05 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of open actions, available at  -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3
15:52:07 <pchampin> ghurlbot, status?
15:52:07 <ghurlbot> pchampin, the delay is 15, issues are on, names are on, commands are ignored from RRSAgent and Zakim; and the repository is https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg
15:52:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Review of pull requests, available at  -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4
15:52:11 <agendabot> agenda+ Any Other Business (AOB), time permitting Next week's scribe: Arndt, Dörthe
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16:01:24 <ktk> present+
16:02:05 <ora> present+
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16:02:05 <pchampin> present+
16:02:05 <Dominik_T> present+
16:02:05 <gkellogg> present+
16:02:05 <AZ> present+
16:02:05 <gtw> present+
16:02:05 <pfps> present+
16:02:05 <ora> chair: ora
16:02:05 <afs> present+
16:02:14 <Tpt> present+
16:02:21 <pfps> zakim, who is present?
16:02:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, pfps.
16:02:29 <pfps> zakim, who is here?
16:02:29 <Zakim> Present: ktk, ora, pchampin, Dominik_T, gkellogg, AZ, gtw, pfps, afs, Tpt
16:02:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, pfps, Dominik_T, ora, TallTed, gkellogg, afs, RRSAgent, Zakim, ghurlbot, driib, agendabot, csarven, VladimirAlexiev, Timothe, Tpt, ktk, rhiaro, gtw, pchampin
16:03:19 <TallTed> present+
16:03:21 <TallTed> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:03:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-minutes.html TallTed
16:03:30 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
16:03:30 <Zakim> Present: ktk, ora, pchampin, Dominik_T, gkellogg, AZ, gtw, pfps, afs, Tpt, TallTed
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16:03:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see AZ, pfps, Dominik_T, ora, TallTed, gkellogg, afs, RRSAgent, Zakim, ghurlbot, driib, agendabot, csarven, VladimirAlexiev, Timothe, Tpt, ktk, rhiaro, gtw, pchampin
16:03:39 <pchampin> agenda?
16:04:04 <doerthe> present+
16:04:19 <pchampin> sctibe+ doerthe
16:04:34 <ktk> scribe+ doerthe
16:04:37 <pchampin> zakim, open item 2
16:04:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:04:48 <pfps> minutes look fine to me
16:04:52 <gkellogg> zakim, close item 1
16:04:52 <Zakim> agendum 1, Scribe: Alexiev, Vladimir (alternate: Arndt, Dörthe), closed
16:04:54 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:04:54 <Zakim> 2. Approval of last week's minutes:  -> 1 https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-rdf-star-minutes.html [from agendabot]
16:05:24 <ora> PROPOSAL: Approve last week's minutes
16:05:27 <ora> +1
16:05:28 <pfps> +1
16:05:29 <ktk> +1
16:05:30 <gkellogg> +0
16:05:33 <pchampin> +1
16:05:39 <doerthe> +1
16:05:39 <Dominik_T> +1
16:05:59 <TallTed> +0 I've failed to review them
16:06:17 <ora> RESOLVED: Approve last week's minutes
16:06:28 <pchampin> zakim, next item
16:06:28 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- TPAC 2023 attendance -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:07:58 <doerthe> ora: no much response on possible attendance so far
16:08:13 <AZ> I would love to meet in person at TPAC but I have a 2-day meeting in the middle of the very same week
16:08:21 <TallTed> I'm unlikely to be able to travel, but can usually attend if remote facilities are available
16:08:26 <doerthe> question: how long
16:08:46 <doerthe> ora: experience 2 days, but more is exhausting
16:09:03 <pchampin> q+
16:09:28 <ktk> ack pchampin
16:09:33 <doerthe> pchampin: TPAC will be hybrid
16:09:45 <ktk> q+
16:10:12 <doerthe> ora: who can attend?
16:10:25 <gkellogg> q+
16:10:38 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:10:58 <doerthe> andy (don't know nick): I will try to attend
16:11:11 <afs> s/andy/afs/
16:11:17 <ora> ack ktk
16:11:29 <gtw> s/ (don't know nick)//
16:11:33 <doerthe> gkellogg: attendance is also interesting for interaction with other groups
16:12:19 <doerthe> ktk: I would like many people to attend, let us know if you need invites etc...
16:12:45 <Dominik_T> q+
16:13:07 <pchampin> regrets+ olaf
16:13:10 <pchampin> q+
16:13:11 <doerthe> ora: I think we have enough people interested
16:13:18 <ora> ack Dominik_T
16:13:39 <doerthe> Dominik_T: I will most likely not be able to attend physically
16:14:48 <ora> q?
16:14:53 <ora> ack pchampin
16:15:13 <doerthe> ktk: so let's declare interest
16:15:52 <doerthe> pchampin: no commitment, but we need to communicate preferences (start/end of week)
16:16:05 <pchampin> no preference for me
16:16:10 <doerthe> ktk: please let us know your preferences
16:16:11 <ora> No strong preference on the days for me
16:16:14 <afs> Pref Tues or Thurs (around the plenary day)
16:16:15 <gkellogg> Either beginning or ending, but don't overlap with RCH or JSON-LD CG
16:16:45 <doerthe> (of protocol, not sure how to remove) I also want to attend and have no preferences
16:16:47 <Dominik_T> Pref Mon and Fri
16:17:06 <AZ> Monday and Friday preferably
16:17:14 <doerthe> pchampin: I will collect preferences and ask
16:18:19 <pchampin> action ora to respond to W3C about TPAC meeting
16:18:25 <pchampin> action: ora to respond to W3C about TPAC meeting
16:18:33 <ghurlbot> Created -> action #57 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/57
16:18:39 <pchampin> zakim, next item
16:18:39 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Meeting next week -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:19:24 <doerthe> ora: I will be at the knowledge graph conference next week, what about the others? should we skip the meeting?
16:19:39 <doerthe> ktk: I can chair if ora is the only one missing
16:19:42 <pchampin> zakim, next item
16:19:42 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Status of "First Public Working Draft" (FPWD) -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:19:48 <pchampin> q+
16:19:55 <ora> ack pchampin
16:19:56 <doerthe> ora: where are we
16:20:26 <doerthe> pchampin: request was accepted by w3c but only one hour ago
16:21:14 <doerthe> pchampin: that means that we will not make it to the next meeting but to a later one (date? help?)
16:21:20 <afs> q+
16:21:28 <ora> ack afs
16:22:36 <doerthe> afs: two  documents missing, new and ?
16:22:46 <gkellogg> q+
16:22:55 <doerthe> afs: I will produce the documents
16:22:55 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:23:56 <afs> q+
16:24:03 <ora> ack afs
16:24:06 <doerthe> gkellogg: sparql results xml and rdf semantics needs some extra requests which are not yet included
16:24:24 <pfps> q+
16:24:36 <ora> ack pfps
16:25:12 <doerthe> afs: currently working on sparql results xml, that should not stop us
16:25:55 <pchampin> example: https://w3c.github.io/rdf-semantics/spec/#index-defined-elsewhere
16:26:01 <gkellogg> q+
16:26:07 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:26:24 <pchampin> q+
16:26:27 <doerthe> pfps: semantics, pr resolving links to elsewhere https://w3c.github.io/rdf-semantics/spec/#index-defined-elsewhere
16:27:21 <doerthe> gkellogg: I prefer mark-up style to square brackets
16:28:00 <doerthe> pfps: it is not about the style, it is more about links ending up in the index
16:28:50 <pchampin> see also the discussion on the respec issue tracker: https://github.com/w3c/respec/issues/4438
16:30:13 <ora> ack pchampin
16:30:51 <TallTed> q+
16:31:03 <gkellogg> q+
16:31:05 <ora> ack TallTed
16:31:07 <doerthe> gkellogg:  there seems to be a bug?
16:31:23 <pchampin> q+
16:31:42 <doerthe> pchampin: we can't change respec, we will have to work around as pfps proposed
16:31:53 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:32:08 <pchampin> q-
16:32:48 <pfps> q+
16:32:51 <pfps> q-
16:33:06 <ora> q+
16:33:09 <ora> ack ora
16:33:26 <pchampin> i|semantics, pr resolving links|subtopic: respec introducing spurious terms in index
16:33:33 <doerthe> Discussion: situation is frustrating
16:34:24 <pchampin> +1 to gkellogg's workaround
16:34:34 <doerthe> ora: what can we do to get our first spec version out?
16:35:29 <ktk> q+
16:35:41 <ora> ack ktk
16:35:59 <pchampin> q+
16:36:27 <ora> ack pchampin
16:37:57 <doerthe> discussion: there must be a way to fix the version of the respec used and not get errors when respec is updated?
16:38:12 <doerthe> ora: what do we do?
16:38:14 <pchampin> q+
16:38:20 <ora> ack pchampin
16:38:33 <doerthe> pfps: ignore the problem for now and then solve it later on?
16:38:46 <gkellogg> q+
16:39:02 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:39:02 <doerthe> pchampin: alternatively, ignore the index and create document without it
16:39:58 <doerthe> gkellogg: maybe add text that specs are under development
16:40:15 <pchampin> I was suggesting to remove it from the snapshot, not necessarily the ED
16:41:03 <gkellogg> Perhaps ask for a `data-noindex` attribute that could be added to an anchor with a `data-cite` to keep it out of the index
16:41:18 <doerthe> pchampin: I would just remove the index from the snapshot for now, not for the editing
16:41:55 <doerthe> ora: suggestion, we live with the current problems for now and will fix them later
16:42:51 <doerthe> gkellogg: I expect it to be possible to ask for small changes in respec
16:43:05 <pchampin> q+
16:43:11 <ora> ack pchampin
16:44:01 <pchampin> agenda?
16:44:13 <doerthe> pchampin: we should do the open requests, and then publish
16:44:13 <pchampin> zakim, open 8
16:44:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'open 8', pchampin
16:44:17 <pchampin> zakim, open item 8
16:44:17 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Review of pull requests, available at  -> 3 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/4 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:45:31 <gkellogg> q+
16:46:24 <doerthe> gkellogg: I merged what I had done
16:48:29 <doerthe> discussion: we will create snapshots in the repo
16:50:04 <doerthe> ora: we have not much time left for use case discussions, we will do that next week
16:50:10 <pchampin> zakim, open item 7
16:50:10 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Review of open actions, available at  -> 2 https://github.com/orgs/w3c/projects/20/views/3 -- taken up [from agendabot]
16:50:56 <doerthe> gkellogg: we can close 88
16:51:03 <gkellogg> s/88/188/
16:51:25 <pchampin> q+ to report on #49
16:51:25 <ghurlbot> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/49 -> Action 49 put in the repo the "source of truth" for labels (on pchampin) due 13 Apr 2023
16:51:45 <gkellogg> ghurlbot, close #188
16:51:46 <ghurlbot> Cannot close issue #188. Issue not found.
16:51:48 <ora> ack gkellogg
16:51:55 <gkellogg> ghurlbot, close #18
16:51:56 <ghurlbot> Closed -> action #18 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/18
16:52:13 <ora> ack pchampin
16:52:13 <Zakim> pchampin, you wanted to report on #49
16:52:27 <pchampin> https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/blob/main/docs/labels.json
16:53:20 <doerthe> pchampin: report om #49 I did create a json scheme, you can do pull request to improve
16:53:33 <ktk> ghurlbot, close #49
16:53:34 <ghurlbot> Closed -> action #49 https://github.com/w3c/rdf-star-wg/issues/49
16:53:54 <doerthe> ora: first public working draft is about to come out
16:54:28 <doerthe> gkellogg: once they are out we should update references
16:54:59 <doerthe> scribe-
16:55:00 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:55:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
16:55:35 <doerthe> (I was not expecting to scribe, so my appologies for the incomplete report :) )
16:55:54 <pchampin> s/action ora to respond to W3C about TPAC meeting//
16:56:16 <pchampin> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:56:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/04-rdf-star-minutes.html pchampin
16:58:00 <pchampin> doerthe not at all, the scribing was good :)
16:58:58 <ktk> thanks doerthe!