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13:54:39 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), matatk
13:54:42 <matatk> agenda?
13:55:00 <matatk> meeting: APA Weekly Teleconference
13:55:11 <matatk> Chair:  Matthew
13:55:11 <matatk> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
13:55:11 <matatk> agenda+ TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023
13:55:11 <matatk> agenda+ New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
13:55:14 <matatk> agenda+ Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues
13:55:17 <matatk> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
13:55:20 <matatk> agenda+ CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
13:55:22 <matatk> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al
13:55:25 <matatk> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
13:55:28 <matatk> agenda+ Task Force & Deliverables Updates
13:55:30 <matatk> agenda+ Other Business
13:55:33 <matatk> agenda+ Be done
13:55:49 <matatk> regrets+ Gottfried
13:55:52 <matatk> rrsagent, make minutes
13:55:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/03-apa-minutes.html matatk
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14:05:33 <janina> zakim, next item
14:05:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from matatk]
14:05:54 <janina> close this item
14:05:55 <janina> zakim, next item
14:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC 2023 planning - https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2023 -- taken up [from matatk]
14:06:24 <janina> matatk: We have an early wiki page and will be populating it
14:06:40 <janina> matatk: We'll be responding to management re cross-group requests this week
14:06:53 <janina> matatk: Notes that not all input from TFs is yet in the wiki
14:07:04 <janina> matatk: People are welcome to add to the wiki
14:07:15 <janina> matatk: Notes we've had good discussions
14:07:28 <janina> matatk: Our problem is prioritization and av ailable staffing cycles
14:07:50 <janina> matatk: Not short of inspirational people with inspired ideas!
14:08:11 <janina> zakim, next item
14:08:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- New Charters Review - https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from matatk]
14:08:39 <mike_beganyi> scribe+
14:08:53 <matatk> subtopic: Web Payments
14:09:13 <janina> #323
14:09:14 <ghurlbot> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/323 -> Action 323 review Web Payments Charter by next week (on JaninaSajka) due  3 May 2023
14:09:55 <mike_beganyi> janina: proposing to let go of it. read it, and we are mentioned in a horizontal review. we'll get to review the APIs later which is sufficient
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14:10:25 <mike_beganyi> janina: what the user experiences is very much in scope. we can throw issues their way if we find them. we can suspect APIs they generate will support the widgets we want
14:10:47 <mike_beganyi> matatk: any thoughts on this?
14:11:31 <mike_beganyi> matatk: no one in queue. I agree with this and thus we can sign off on this.
14:11:47 <mike_beganyi> janina: will comment in GH
14:11:51 <mike_beganyi> subtopic: Media Interest Group
14:11:55 <janina> #324
14:11:55 <ghurlbot> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/324 -> Action 324 review Media and Entertainment Interest Group rechartering (on JaninaSajka) due  3 May 2023
14:12:33 <mike_beganyi> janina: do we need tweaks in the charter? we might want a small one. we need to make them aware that we're about to come with a list of things that would make sense for a 5-10 year time frame
14:12:43 <Lionel> s/ailable/available
14:12:49 <mike_beganyi> janina: multiple groups across WAI that will contributing. a sentence or two acknowledging this will be helpful
14:13:23 <mike_beganyi> janina: interesting use case out of Research Questions. we'll talk about inter-linear, supporting pronunciation
14:13:45 <mike_beganyi> janina: cover synchronized video streams of signers in different languages, for example
14:14:03 <mike_beganyi> janina: could be useful if we figure out technical issues.
14:14:26 <mike_beganyi> janina: Jason has promised by Friday he will update the current document regarding the additional topics. by the time we file we will hav esomething to point to
14:14:40 <mike_beganyi> s/esomething/something
14:15:04 <mike_beganyi> janina: looking for API and other kind of support from other groups over the coming years and make as much of this happen as possible.
14:15:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: will be extremely valuable
14:15:11 <matatk> q?
14:15:39 <mike_beganyi> janina: write a phrase or two for them to consider. this is an acknowledgment that WAI is in a place with its specs that it may come with requests for standardization implications
14:16:21 <mike_beganyi> matatk: timeline is open for review as of 3 weeks ago. I don't see any sign-off from the group yet.
14:16:59 <mike_beganyi> matatk: good idea to set expectations in terms of collaborative opportunities. how much of that is appropriate to go into the charter versus how much is useful background
14:17:12 <mike_beganyi> janina: agree
14:17:44 <mike_beganyi> matatk: from their current charter, new additions could be worth mentioning. seems like there's still some time
14:18:31 <matatk> q?
14:18:36 <mike_beganyi> janina: happy to work with Matthew on this during the week and provide to the group on Friday, or bring it back next week for the group's review
14:19:38 <mike_beganyi> matatk: my concern about asking for changes to the charter is that we're going to have to make the case that the upcoming work will be great but we must finish making the case internally first
14:20:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: we can make the case. new idea of sign language synchronization will be brought by Jason. there's a lot documented already and in the minutes from RQTF
14:21:25 <mike_beganyi> matatk: WoT came to us and we were able to provide feedback. ended up with something in their charter which is good
14:21:49 <mike_beganyi> janina: difference in that WoT is a WG. Media, Entertainment Interest Group is an IG
14:22:24 <mike_beganyi> janina: an omnibus area, really
14:23:25 <matatk> q?
14:24:24 <janina> subtopic: Web of Things
14:24:54 <matatk>  https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375 - WoT WG Charter
14:25:14 <janina> matatk: Recalls discussion some time ago with this:
14:25:36 <janina> :s/:/ the above/
14:25:37 <matatk> We had a conversation with WoT in PR #77, wrt onboarding: https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/77
14:25:37 <ghurlbot> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/77 -> Issue 77 [closed] 4.11 Text description transformation: second screen (cdpatnoe)
14:26:25 <janina> matatk: This is WoT's PR
14:26:40 <janina> matatk: Accepted but not merged?
14:27:12 <janina> matatk: So two threads, 375 with proposed charter and the PR with proposed edits
14:27:39 <janina> matatk: Propose to comment on Charter review thread to ask whether PR will be merged
14:28:38 <janina> matatk: Any concerns with this approach?
14:28:39 <matatk> q?
14:28:51 <janina> zakim, next item
14:28:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Explicit Review Requests - https://github.com/w3c/a11y-request/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
14:29:34 <janina> subtopic: Compute Pressure
14:29:45 <janina> s/e/e API/
14:30:21 <matatk> Background info: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2023Apr/0023.html
14:30:32 <janina> matatk: Posted summary of last week's discussion here ...
14:30:43 <janina> matatk: Asked for A11y Considerations Section
14:31:10 <janina> matatk: Because of likely consequences of using the API--all in the above comment
14:32:30 <janina> matatk: Example that app shouldn't pick a stream restriction at random, should be a user choice
14:33:30 <janina> janina: Suggests also the reverse for a screen reader user--don't bother with video streams, I don't use them
14:33:49 <janina> matatk: May not be in scope on this, but let's keep it on our wish list
14:34:16 <janina> PaulG: Notes that Teams supports this, but not a sticky setting
14:34:41 <janina> Fredrik: Notes the setting is also very hard to find with an sr
14:34:51 <janina> PaulG:  may also matter in COGA situations
14:36:41 <janina> PaulG: More control over modalities useful
14:36:57 <janina> matatk: Good news is that the group was happy for us to propose an ACS
14:37:50 <janina> matatk: Checks and finds it's working draft
14:37:54 <matatk> q?
14:38:00 <janina> janina: If note track may be quick
14:38:02 <janina> zakim, next item
14:38:02 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker - https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from matatk]
14:38:25 <janina> nothing this week
14:38:26 <janina> zakim, next item
14:38:26 <Zakim> agendum 5 was just opened, janina
14:38:32 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:38:32 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
14:38:33 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:38:33 <Zakim> 6. CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from matatk]
14:38:34 <janina> zakim, next item
14:38:34 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- CSS Update (Paul) - https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from matatk]
14:39:01 <janina> PaulG: Lots of technical work last week, but nothing for us
14:39:06 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:39:06 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
14:39:07 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:39:07 <Zakim> 7. Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al [from matatk]
14:39:09 <janina> zakim, next item
14:39:09 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) - https://github.com/w3c/apa/labels/action et al -- taken up [from matatk]
14:40:45 <janina> covered by items already discussed
14:41:31 <janina> zakim, next item
14:41:31 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup - https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from matatk]
14:41:41 <janina> zakim, close this item
14:41:41 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
14:41:42 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
14:41:42 <Zakim> 9. Task Force & Deliverables Updates [from matatk]
14:41:43 <janina> zakim, next item
14:41:43 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Task Force & Deliverables Updates -- taken up [from matatk]
14:42:05 <janina> subtopic: FAST Proposal
14:42:24 <janina> matatk: Framework for Accessible Specification of Technologies
14:42:36 <janina> matatk: What other groups use
14:43:22 <janina> Fredrik: A jumping off point and a way of creating accessibility support
14:43:45 <janina> Fredrik: Idea is to normatively provide info on how to do that in specs
14:44:18 <janina> Fredrik: Invites people who want to join
14:44:33 <janina> Fredrik: No set timelines yet, of course
14:44:58 <janina> Fredrik: Expect WS by next week
14:45:07 <matatk> Draft work statement: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Fast-work-statement
14:45:33 <janina> matatk: It's a heads up of what will be coming in a CfC shortly
14:46:10 <janina> matatk: Interesting because it's meta, but also shapes things
14:46:35 <janina> matatk: Helps feature and frame a11y support
14:46:56 <janina> zakim, next item
14:46:57 <Zakim> agendum 10 -- Other Business -- taken up [from matatk]
14:47:12 <janina> matatk: My announcement --
14:47:45 <janina> matatk: Recalls metaverse related work from APA that was submitted
14:48:01 <janina> matatk: Our submission totalled 9 docs
14:48:38 <janina> matatk: We have confirmation that W3C has pushed all upstream -- all 9
14:49:27 <janina> matatk: That's actually remarkable and worth noting. Well done, all!
14:50:00 <janina> zakim, next item
14:50:00 <Zakim> agendum 11 -- Be done -- taken up [from matatk]
14:50:07 <janina> zakim, end meeting
14:50:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, Fredrik, Lionel, matatk, PaulG, mike_beganyi, Alisa_Smith
14:50:17 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:50:18 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/03-apa-minutes.html Zakim
14:50:24 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, janina; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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