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16:05:47 <ted> Present+ Ted
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16:05:48 <Zakim> Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference
16:05:53 <ted> Present+ Peter, Ulf, Carine
16:05:59 <ted> Chair: Peter, Ted
16:06:07 <ted> Topic: debrief from AMM
16:06:42 <ted> Ted and Ulf encourage Peter to open sourcex his mapping code, willing to help lobby external to Volvo
16:07:11 <ted> Peter: the proposed extension (struct) in VSS is going to complicate things, expecting BMW to push back on that
16:07:38 <ted> … expect the conversation to be drawn out about open sourcing
16:07:58 <ted> … would be cool to test new language models and see how they compare
16:08:43 <ted> … clear interest from Ford and AWS in the mapping tool
16:09:01 <ted> Ulf: is Volvo part of COVESA yet?
16:09:22 <ted> Peter: no and have been encouraging that too
16:09:55 <ted> … they were members of GENIVI and as they dropped it, would be difficult to get back in especially with shift to Android
16:15:30 <ted> Ted: Volvo in the AutoSAR camp? if so the collaboration with them on an in-vehicle API can help with VISS
16:15:33 <ted> Peter: yes
16:16:09 <ted> Ted: BMW and Bosch at least, Ulf as well, are in favor of VISS being used there, maybe pared down
16:21:16 <ted> … EV charging events is getting interest, that will certainly help with VSS uptake as well. definitely need data to help with the pain points and user experience that will come up with EV adoption
16:21:43 <ted> Peter: it would be very beneficial to have VSS-like on charging infrastructure
16:21:48 <ted> … that Ford?
16:21:50 <ted> Ulf: yes
16:22:05 <ted> Peter: seemed like less than Detroit but decent turnout
16:24:04 <ted> … Volvo Group sent an exec, there should have been more engineers
16:24:21 <ted> Ted: he was there for the Commercial Vehicles BoF track, was on a panel
16:24:22 <ted> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/14hJfZvJHqiSukAlzsWN3DxeNyspfPi1jC5lAWQuMaCg/edit#slide=id.g228e5bba725_0_151
16:25:04 <ted> Peter: we can conclude this data model is finally being adopted, was unsure as of a couple years ago
16:25:18 <ted> … need to keep it uncomplicated, balance with evolving it
16:25:23 <ted> Ulf: I agree
16:27:28 <ted> … we don't want it to get destroyed by complexity
16:28:01 <ted> Ted: on structs, I'm of the recollection that was done to help get VSC to use VSS but they're still going off in a different direction
16:30:34 <ted> Ted gives summary of his Commercial Vehicle BoF (slide link above) and how it can help with VSS adoption
16:30:58 <ted> Ulf: additional domains, handling trailers as well will help
16:32:38 <ted> [discussion of port]
16:36:02 <ted> Peter: there was also considerable interest in Android Automotive app marketplace
16:36:27 <ted> Ted: Google getting pressure, AutoSAR will help too, in exposing VSS in AA in addition to VHAL
16:38:06 <ted> [discussion on OEM going AA vs AOSP and related]
16:38:35 <ted> Peter: the drawn out release cycles of AA are going to be an issue
16:42:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/02-auto-minutes.html ted
16:50:40 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Ted, Peter, Ulf, Carine
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16:50:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items