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16:53:30 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), janina
16:53:30 <janina> Meeting: A11yEdge Teleconference
16:53:30 <janina> Date: 01 May 2023
16:53:30 <janina> Chair: janina
16:53:30 <janina> agenda?
16:53:35 <janina> agenda: Intros (as needed)
16:54:00 <janina> agenda+Continue Capabilities Review -- https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/
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17:01:55 <Lionel> zakim, start meeting
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17:01:57 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Lionel
17:02:42 <Lionel> Meeting: Accessibility at the Edge Community Group Weekly Teleconference May 1st 2023
17:04:55 <Lionel> present+
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17:14:12 <derek> +present
17:14:24 <janina> present+
17:14:28 <derek> present+
17:14:32 <Lionel> present+
17:15:06 <Lionel> scribe: Lionel
17:15:09 <katew> <katew> present+
17:15:24 <katew> present+
17:15:33 <janina> zakim, next item
17:15:33 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Continue Capabilities Review -- https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/ -- taken up [from janina]
17:15:41 <janina> We introduced ourselves to Kate!
17:15:45 <janina> zakim, close this item
17:15:45 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
17:15:46 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
17:15:48 <janina> zakim, next item
17:15:48 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, janina
17:16:06 <Lionel> zakim, previous item
17:16:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'previous item', Lionel
17:16:13 <Lionel> zakim, take up item 1
17:16:13 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Continue Capabilities Review -- https://a11yedge.github.io/capabilities/ -- taken up [from janina]
17:20:39 <Lionel> derek: We are advocating that sites build in a capability for users to determine their own experience.
17:21:00 <Lionel> ... We are ahead of the game here, that does not seem to be happening in the real world.
17:21:16 <Lionel> janina: Decentralized identifiers and the tech to do this does exist
17:21:35 <Lionel> derek: And there are no examples of all this being put into practice.
17:23:24 <Lionel> janina: We will need more pieces including regulatory backing
17:24:02 <Lionel> ... though some of these overlay capabilities, like surrogacy, will need even more development
17:26:46 <Lionel> Lionel: We do see early signs of these technologies. Like any developing tech, some of the early implementations were not very satisfying
17:27:09 <Lionel> ... but they certainly point in the direction of powerful capabilities that enable real accessibility
17:27:38 <Lionel> ... like the proliferation of text size, line height, and contrast overlays that allow real user choice
17:28:28 <Lionel> katew: Providers need to optimize for accomodations or assistive tech at the edge
17:28:44 <Lionel> ... the provider has an obligation to build in this support
17:29:32 <Lionel> ... A breakdown that I have used is autonomy (or agency), privacy, signal-to-noise, and time
17:29:51 <Lionel> ... a useful way of breaking out meeting users' needs
17:30:12 <Lionel> ... we may want some of this in the document introduction.
17:31:42 <Lionel> janina: These suggestions for edits are very welcome. Edits can be done as pull requests, or messages to the list, public-a11yedge@w3.org
17:32:46 <Lionel> derek: Section 2 intro, "Meeting Users' Needs" could benefit from more of this type of information
17:33:19 <Lionel> rrsagent, make minutes
17:33:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/01-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel
17:34:33 <Lionel> janina: We plan to add references pointing to other relevant W3C standards
17:35:15 <Lionel> derek: We are touching on user-agents and browsers. Are there standards for browser interoperability?
17:37:03 <Lionel> derek: ... we are driving inclusivity, defining the users' needs. We are also defining what the companies should build who are meeting those needs.
17:45:36 <Lionel> katew: Agency and autonomy are different
17:45:53 <Lionel> ... one is about mechanisms for participation, and the other is more broad
17:46:38 <Lionel> ... When someone has a caretaker, there are real challenges with privacy
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17:47:49 <BC> Hello all
17:48:44 <BC> This is Bev
17:50:28 <Lionel> katew: Signal-to-noise expresses the degree to which the content (signal) is presented in ways that are accessible (non-accessible is noise)
17:51:09 <Lionel> ... when we fail to help people to achieve the goal of the page, affects the signal-to-noise
18:22:38 <Lionel> rrsagent, make minutes
18:22:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/05/01-a11yedge-minutes.html Lionel