IRC log of aria-at on 2023-04-27
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
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- MEETING: ARIA and Assistive Technologies Community Group
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- present+
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- CHAIR Matt King
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-aria-at-minutes.html Matt_King
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- 19:10:32 [jugglinmike]
- present+ jugglinmike
- 19:11:02 [Sam_shaw]
- present+
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- scribe+ jugglinmike
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- Topic: May meeting schedule
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- Matt_King: We won't meet next week--that's the ARIA face-to-face
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- Matt_King: The following week, I hope we can meet as scheduled
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- Matt_King: It's possible that I may have a conflict, though
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- Matt_King: And I'm definitely away on May 18
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- Matt_King: So we should expect just two meetings in May: May 11 and May 25
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- Topic: Testing and reporting check-in
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- Matt_King: Let's review by test plan
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- Matt_King: For "Toggle Button" we are only missing a report for VoiceOver in Chrome
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- present+ jscholes
- 19:17:34 [jugglinmike]
- jongund: the app is telling me that I'm not done testing, but when I review the tests, it appears that I've completed them all
- 19:17:44 [jugglinmike]
- jscholes: You may need to press "save"
- 19:19:24 [jugglinmike]
- jscholes: there's a conflict on the final test
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- jscholes: It's because jongund has noted a sound which was emitted. We don't typically track that right now
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- jongund: I can remove it
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- jongund: There was no output; how should I express that?
- 19:21:12 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: How about just inputting two double quote characters with nothing between them?
- 19:21:32 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Should the app offer a more explicit way to indicate "there was no output"...?
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- jscholes: Others have expressed it in other ways
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- jscholes: Ideally, we would have a checkbox that says "No output" and that enabling it would cause the text entry field to become disabled
- 19:23:11 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: That would be ideal, but for now, we just need to agree on something to represent that idea
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- jscholes: As for the conflict. We see "no output" for one, and "incorrect output." I can understand how both of those apply
- 19:25:25 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: In this case, because there was some output, the accurate response here is "incorrect output"
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- jscholes: There are conflicts, but I'm not seeing them in the test queue. It appears to be because the conflicts related to the final test, which is now listed as "in progress"
- 19:29:46 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I didn't see that initially, but after refreshing, I can confirm that behavior
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- (the group collectively explores the unexpected behavior)
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- present+ jongund
- 19:33:41 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: There isn't necessarily a bug here because there was an incomplete test
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- jscholes: Yes, the incomplete status alleviated my concern
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- jscholes: Well, everything is in agreement. I think we're ready to publish. I've published it!
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- Matt_King: Next up, let's consider "Link"
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- jscholes: No conflicts for JAWS and Firefox. It was last published after this meeting last Thursday. Since then, this appears to be ready to go, so let's publish it
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- Matt_King: For NVDA, it looks like Alyssa and Isabel are in agreement. So I'm going to press publish
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- jscholes: For VoiceOver and Chrome, everything is complete and there are no conflicts, so I'll publish that as well
- 19:36:57 [jugglinmike]
- Next on the agenda is "Radio Group Example Using aria-activedescendant"
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- s/Next on/Matt_King: Next on/g
- 19:40:08 [JoeHumbert]
- present+
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- jscholes: I've published Radio Group for NVDA and Firefox
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- jscholes: Radio Group for VoiceOver and Chrome has four conflicts. Let's work these out
- 19:43:19 [jugglinmike]
- jscholes: This is a long command! Anyway, Joe marked it as "no output" and Isa marked it as "incorrect output"
- 19:44:07 [jugglinmike]
- jscholes: I need to run this as Joe and change the result to "incorrect output"
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- Matt_King: Let's set aside the app issue for JAWS and Firefox for now and handle that offline
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- present+ jongund
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- Next up: "Modal Dialog"
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- s/Next up/Matt_King: Next up/g
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- Matt_King: We need a volunteer for JAWS and Firefox
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- present+ Dylan_Sheffer
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- Dylan_Sheffer: I can do that
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- Matt_King: For JAWS and Chrome, it looks like all the testing is completed and without conflicts
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- jscholes: I think that Alyssa's results are with an older version of JAWS, but I could be wrong
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- Matt_King: Is anyone available to test Modal Dialog for macOS and NVDA?
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- present+ Alyssa
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- Alyssa: I can do it within the next couple weeks. Is that an acceptable timeline?
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- Matt_King: That would be great!
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- s/macOS/Firefox/
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- s/Next up:/Matt_King: Next up:/
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- s/Next on/Matt_King: Next on/
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- Zakim, end the meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, Sam_shaw, jscholes, jongund, JoeHumbert, Dylan_Sheffer, Alyssa
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/27-aria-at-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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