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17:57:39 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
17:57:57 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
17:58:09 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
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17:58:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/25-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
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18:02:17 <jugglinmike> zakim, start the meeting
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18:02:19 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jugglinmike
18:02:37 <jugglinmike> meeting: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force Weekly Teleconference
18:02:48 <jugglinmike> present+ jugglinmike
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18:03:05 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-25,-2023-Agenda
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18:04:00 <jugglinmike> scribe+ jugglinmike
18:04:13 <jugglinmike> present+ Jem
18:04:51 <jugglinmike> Jem: We will have no meeting next week. Our next meeting will be on May 9
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18:06:21 <dmontalvo> present+ Daniel
18:08:21 <jugglinmike> Topic: Status of Site Updates
18:09:29 <jugglinmike> Alex_Flenniken: we have been working on the side navigation on the "patterns" page
18:09:33 <dmontalvo> q+
18:10:18 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We need a green light from Sean on the design of those things
18:11:25 <jugglinmike> dmontalvo: I am taking over staff contact responsibilities for the ARIA working group; that includes APG
18:11:46 <jugglinmike> dmontalvo: Hopefully I can help with communications
18:12:10 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We're talking about https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2535
18:14:38 <jongund> present+ jongund
18:15:30 <jugglinmike> Alex_Flenniken: no update on https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2534
18:15:41 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: 2535 is higher priority
18:15:51 <jugglinmike> Topic: APG browser support requirements
18:16:14 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2644
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18:17:43 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Just prior to this meeting, I added a comment about the policy
18:18:18 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: But we should probably add something about this to the project's contribution guidelines
18:19:12 <jugglinmike> jamesn: I don't think people care about old versions of browsers anymore because everything auto-updates
18:20:04 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I think this is most important for folks who are in enterprise environments where browsers don't update as often
18:20:53 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I wonder if we should remove even the reference to Internet Explorer in the text since that tends to make it feel dated
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18:26:29 <Jem> jugglinmike: I will document this in the code guidance and update the apg doc regarding IE mention.
18:27:21 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We don't have to worry about enterprise as an audience for APG itself. It's enough to warn readers about the support considerations in their own projects (and the text already does include such a warning)
18:27:35 <jugglinmike> Topic: "Using ARIA" to APG
18:27:47 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2675
18:28:33 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We have the information architecture we need to support this, so the timing is pretty perfect in my mind
18:29:45 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The first thing to do is to go through the headings in the "Using ARIA" document, and identify which of those sections are either (1) already covered, (2) appropriate to be discarded, or (3) appropriate for some section of APG
18:30:05 <jugglinmike> Jem: This seems like a good task for newcomers
18:30:12 <jugglinmike> present+ Andrea
18:30:30 <jugglinmike> Andrea: Can we think of this as an audit?
18:31:39 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Not exactly. The end goal is that "Using ARIA" is going to go away. But there's information in "Using ARIA" that APG can inherit. The task is to identify which information can be salvaged and where it belongs (e.g. in a pattern or in a practice)
18:32:54 <jugglinmike> jongund: I can help with this because I'm familiar with both documents
18:33:31 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm not sure of the best way to structure this, but I've been imagining taking the table of contents and then categorizing each item in an issue comment
18:33:54 <jugglinmike> Andrea: I'm interested in helping, too
18:34:11 <jugglinmike> Jem: I'll assign Matt_King, jongund, and Andrea
18:35:31 <jugglinmike> Jem: I'll assign myself as well so I can review
18:35:48 <jugglinmike> Andrea: I'll coordinate the work to start us off
18:35:58 <jugglinmike> Topic: Pull request reviews
18:36:34 <jugglinmike> Subtopic: PR 2622 - Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified by jongund
18:36:42 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622
18:37:24 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I recently noticed a bug. There are checkmark icons in the list box, and they're getting announced by screen readers
18:37:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Because it's related to the accessibility features documentation, I think we should address it in this pull request
18:38:39 <jugglinmike> jongund: I can fix it in this pull request. It should be done by tomorrow
18:38:51 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'll continue my editorial work on the comments
18:39:52 <jugglinmike> Topic: New Issue Action Planning
18:40:07 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel++sort%3Aupdated-desc
18:41:05 <jugglinmike> Subtopic: Grid cell content can be actionable and editable
18:41:11 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2678
18:43:20 <jamesn> q+
18:43:31 <dmontalvo> ack me
18:44:15 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It's not clear to me what the question is. Maybe we should talk about this when Curt is here.
18:44:30 <jamesn> ack me
18:44:43 <jugglinmike> jamesn: I agree, we should probably wait for Curt
18:45:11 <dmontalvo> q+
18:45:13 <jugglinmike> jamesn: I also don't think we should try to solve every single weird case of a grid, though this is not so weird of a case
18:53:53 <jugglinmike> Subtopic:  Skipto Script is loaded twice for practice, pattern and about pages
18:54:03 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2676
18:54:35 <jugglinmike> Alex_Flenniken: there's code that switches between two configurations of skipto--that must be malfunctioning
18:55:36 <jugglinmike> Alex_Flenniken: I think we can share the same configuration; I will remove it from APG. It will be in the website, but not in the raw development HTML files
18:56:14 <jugglinmike> Subtopic: Listbox example - ESlint error
18:56:20 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2671
18:58:41 <jugglinmike> Alex_Flenniken: This was originally reported by Aleena, but we couldn't reproduce it. Since Aleena has moved on from Bocoup, I think we should close this
19:02:33 <Jem> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Code-Guide
19:05:23 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Let's make this issue about moving toward ECMAScript modules.
19:05:34 <jugglinmike> jugglinmike: I'll reframe the issue
19:05:55 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Let's make it about using import declarations in the JavaScript where appropriate
19:06:25 <jugglinmike> end topic
19:06:43 <jugglinmike> RRSAgent, end topic
19:06:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'end topic', jugglinmike.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
19:15:21 <jugglinmike> github-bot: end topic
19:15:28 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
19:15:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, MarkMcCarthy, howard-e, Jem, Daniel, jongund, Andrea
19:15:28 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:15:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/25-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
19:15:35 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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