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14:48:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Fazio
14:49:03 <Fazio> meeting Maturity Model
14:49:16 <Fazio> chair: Fazio
14:49:24 <Fazio> present+
14:50:10 <Fazio> Agenda+ Confirm TLDR and Use Case Integration
14:50:36 <Fazio> Agenda + Continuation of Maturity Model review discussion with Stacey
14:50:56 <Fazio> Agenda + Discuss future publication
14:51:15 <Fazio> Agenda + New business
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14:59:52 <janina> zakim, who's here?
14:59:52 <Zakim> Present: CharlesL, janina, SusanaPallero, Sheri_B-H, nadine, Fazio
14:59:53 <Zakim> On IRC I see SusiPallero, janina, RRSAgent, Fazio, Zakim, jspellman
15:00:26 <janina> agenda?
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15:03:22 <Mark> scribe+
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15:04:53 <janina> zakim, take up item 1
15:04:53 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Confirm TLDR and Use Case Integration -- taken up [from Fazio]
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15:07:41 <janina> Stacy's email: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0015.html
15:07:44 <Fazio> +1 to adding global
15:08:03 <Mark> sheri: Read TLDR
15:08:22 <Mark> Sheri: I would add globally
15:08:53 <sheri_b-h> 1 in 6 people in the world live with a disability. Working-age people with disabilities have a discretionary income of around $21 billion. Yet, only 4% of businesses are focused on making offerings inclusive of disability. Providing accessible digital products and services is the right thing to do–and it’s good business. It’s also required by law in many countries.
15:09:09 <sheri_b-h> 1 in 6 people in the world live with a disability. Working-age people with disabilities have a global discretionary income of around $21 billion. Yet, only 4% of businesses are focused on making offerings inclusive of disability. Providing accessible digital products and services is the right thing to do–and it’s good business. It’s also required by law in many countries.
15:09:45 <SusiPallero> q+
15:10:23 <Mark> lionel: Yet, most businesses can improve
15:11:00 <Mark> Fazio: Available research indicates…
15:11:11 <janina> ack su
15:11:13 <sheri_b-h> 1 in 6 people in the world live with a disability. Working-age people with disabilities have a discretionary income of around $21 billion. Yet few businesses are focused on disability inclusive products and services. Providing accessible digital products and services is the right thing to do–and it’s good business. It’s also required by law in many countries.
15:12:15 <Mark> SusiPallero:Questioning number around how much money PWD make…
15:12:36 <Mark> SusiPallero: Maturity for long term
15:12:54 <sheri_b-h> Whether your company is just starting its cultural transformation on disability inclusion or looking to improve existing processes, the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model can help.
15:13:04 <Mark> Fazio: Hook reader with business case
15:13:58 <Mark> SusiPallero: Many companies have attempted to and failed – this model will help
15:14:23 <jlkline> queue+
15:14:39 <sheri_b-h> Whether your company is just starting its disability inclusion efforts or looking to improve existing processes, the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model can help.
15:15:50 <janina> ack jlkline
15:16:20 <Mark> q+
15:17:24 <SusiPallero> Whether your company is just starting its disability inclusion efforts or looking to improve existing processes in a sustainable way, the W3C Accessibility Maturity Model can help.
15:17:24 <sheri_b-h> thanks Susi, I like that
15:17:31 <Mark> jlkline: Not a great business case it’s a civil rights issues
15:17:44 <janina> q+
15:17:50 <Lionel_Wolberger_> q+
15:18:00 <Mark> Fazio: You can do the math and get the discretionary income number
15:18:46 <Mark> jlkline: Working age PWD have the right to the same experiences as everyone else in the world.
15:18:55 <janina> ack mascribe+
15:21:13 <janina> Mark:  ROI argument goes two directions; in orgs can shift a11y out of a project ba/me Yes, I did hit enter, seems I have trouble with that key
15:22:45 <Mark> janina: Making monetary arguments make me nervous
15:22:51 <CharlesL> ack Mark
15:22:57 <CharlesL> ack janina
15:23:07 <janina> ack ma
15:23:10 <janina> ack ja
15:23:26 <Mark> Janina: Civil rights aspect is stronger
15:23:53 <Mark> janina: Not a single market
15:24:24 <CharlesL> ack Lionel_Wolberger_
15:24:34 <janina> ack li
15:25:04 <sheri_b-h> q+
15:28:05 <Mark> lionel: Jeff’s comments are a breath of fresh air. Focus on elderly, business feel this isn’t their problem – if were we’re addressing, we’d remind car industry didn’t want seat belts etc. – not my problem, it is your problem. We need to articulate obvious things. Pay down technical debt.
15:28:13 <janina> ack sh
15:28:32 <SusiPallero> Would it make sense to have some headings like Business, Civil Rights, Reputation, Education, and so on. And add few bullet points to each? That way each stakeholder from private or public sector could go find the points they need. Because truth to be told, if someone is in that page reading our presentation is because they want to implement accessibility and probably they could use some points to push the topic into their organizatio[CUT]
15:29:02 <jlkline> queue+
15:29:15 <Mark> sheri_b-h: We’re all enlightened. Audience in unenlightened. We need write something that is going to convince our audience.
15:29:16 <janina> ack jlkline
15:32:13 <Mark> jlkline: Three kinds: Government to serve communities, Large IT, Private Sector – only way to get to them is risk mitigation strategy. The business case is not interesting.
15:32:50 <Mark> fazio: Misconception PWD are not buying.
15:33:15 <janina> +1 to Jeff
15:33:32 <CharlesL> q+
15:33:41 <SusiPallero> Risk mitigation and reputational harm
15:33:45 <janina> ack ch
15:33:47 <Mark> fazio: Happy medium that it is a large market
15:34:37 <Mark> q+
15:35:05 <Lionel_Wolberger_> scribe+
15:35:14 <Mark> charlesl: More blind people that people with red hair, more with dyslexia than are left handed.
15:35:41 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Mark: This conversation really strikes a chord. There is clear passion motivating this discussion.
15:35:56 <janina> q?
15:35:56 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... it's about risk mitigation, that's how it relates to civil rights
15:35:59 <janina> ack ma
15:36:19 <Lionel_Wolberger_> ... Let's focus on the purpose of this section
15:37:03 <jlkline> https://jeffklinesstrategicitaccessibilityblog.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4&action=edit
15:37:06 <Lionel_Wolberger_> jeff: https://jeffklinesstrategicitaccessibilityblog.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=4&action=edit
15:37:37 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Fazio: It's like insurance, you buy it because you have to
15:37:52 <Lionel_Wolberger_> q+
15:38:11 <Mark> Fazio: Nobody buys insurance because they want to – may not need to mitigate risk.
15:38:17 <SusiPallero> +1 to David
15:38:39 <Mark> fazio: Need to come back to this next week.
15:38:47 <janina> ack li
15:40:07 <Mark> lionel_wolberger_: Can help to focus on whose the audience. Liked the paragraph when it was read. Person starting out won’t come to maturity model. They’ll already have and idea.
15:40:15 <Lionel_Wolberger_> Lionel_Wolberger_: I suggest that the person coming to maturity model, out audience, will not be a total newbie
15:41:42 <Mark> sheri_b-h: Got threw all of use cases last week. Need to list participants. Will have next week.
15:42:01 <Mark> fazio: Where in document
15:42:48 <Fazio> and disability 0
15:42:48 <CharlesL> +1 to new chapter
15:42:48 <Mark> sheri_b-h: After culture and before acknowledgement
15:44:38 <janina> zakim, next itemPlease Bookmark: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/
15:44:38 <Zakim> I don't understand you, janina
15:44:53 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/
15:46:00 <CharlesL> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0019.html
15:46:35 <janina> link from sheri: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-maturity/2023Apr/0019.html
15:48:20 <janina> agenda?
15:50:19 <Mark> sheri_b-h: Can put it in. Who should be involved. We can flush it out in a future meeting. Use same language as W3C existing accepted titles.
15:51:37 <Mark> jlkline: Document is great. Need to discuss. We have discussion fatigue.
15:52:58 <jlkline> jeffklinesstrategicitaccessibilityblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/first-blog-post/
15:53:10 <janina> zakim, take up item 3
15:53:10 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Discuss future publication -- taken up [from Fazio]
15:53:21 <Mark> sheri_b-h: Copy  my document, reference job titles.
15:54:48 <Mark> sheri_b-h: Will forward stake holder doc
15:55:05 <jlkline> jeffklinesstrategicitaccessibilityblog.wordpress.com/2017/08/10/first-blog-post/
15:55:20 <Mark> Lionel_Wolberger_: Will work on writing
15:56:04 <Mark> Fazio: Once we plug in TLD, ideal time to publish new iteration and will decide as a group to move forward.
15:56:45 <Mark> sheri_b-h: Working on excel, made changes.
15:57:43 <Mark> Fazio: Spreadsheet, TLDR, use cases then ready to publish.
15:59:03 <Mark> zakim, end meeting
15:59:03 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been CharlesL, janina, SusanaPallero, Sheri_B-H, nadine, Fazio, SusiPallero, Mark, Lionel_Wolberger_, jlkline
15:59:05 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:59:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/19-maturity-minutes.html Zakim
15:59:13 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Mark; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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