IRC log of wot-uc on 2023-04-18

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12:05:32 [kaz]
meeting: WoT Use Cases
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chair: Lagally
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_Lagally, Michael_McCool, Tomoaki_Mizushima
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topic: housekeeping
12:07:29 [McCool]
ml: let's review minutes from April 4 and 11
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ack k
12:08:57 [McCool]
kaz: I think we already reviewed April 4
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i/let's/scribenick: McCool/
12:09:08 [McCool]
ml: I see, ok, no agenda
12:09:15 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/11-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-11
12:09:18 [McCool]
... so let's just look at April 11
12:09:24 [kaz]
s|-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/11-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-11||
12:09:26 [kaz]
-> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/11-wot-uc-minutes.html Apr-11
12:09:44 [McCool]
... seems to be some formatting issues that need to be corrected
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kaz: formatting issues have been corrected
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ml: also a deletion that was not applied
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kaz: fixed
12:11:58 [McCool]
ml: approve?
12:12:06 [McCool]
... no objections, will publish
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topic: schedule
12:12:39 [McCool]
ml: given that people are busy with testing, etc. should we change the schedule
12:13:04 [kaz]
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12:15:34 [McCool]
mm: need to prioritize PR critical paths, think polcies and work items should be discussed after that, in late May
12:15:58 [McCool]
kaz: we also need to consider organization of documents, including use cases
12:17:18 [kaz]
s/use cases/use cases. That work should be done in parallel with the wrapping up for the 1.1 specs. So we should clarify our timeline for both directions, 2.0 prep and 1.1 wrap-up in our schedule./
12:17:58 [McCool]
ml: coming to the question here about use cases, makes sense to suspend for now, and take work up with new charter
12:18:28 [McCool]
mm: so we stop for now, define the new policies, and then proceed in the new charter under whatever new policies we decide
12:18:47 [Mizushima]
+1 kaz
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12:20:51 [McCool]
kaz: suspending use case collection and document collection is fine, but when do we start and stop?
12:21:29 [mlagally]
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q+ Ege_Korkan
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q- E
12:22:17 [McCool]
mm: how about we meet a month from now?
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12:23:01 [McCool]
ml: also, want to say due to a management change won't be able to contribute as editor for TFs
12:23:17 [kaz]
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ack ml
12:23:41 [McCool]
... so need to wrap up things
12:24:33 [mlagally]
q?
12:24:35 [Ege]
q?
12:24:44 [McCool]
mm: we are also loosing other people, so generally have to reorg
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12:25:21 [McCool]
kaz: resources always limited, will have to decide what we can do based on that
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12:26:12 [McCool]
ml: oracle is not pulling out of WoT, however
12:26:20 [mlagally]
q?
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12:28:13 [McCool]
mm: ok, so we should pause the UC calls and update the readme to say contibutions are paused while we adjust policies
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ack
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s/ack//
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scribe+
12:36:31 [kaz]
kaz: again, just saying "suspending the TF" is vague, because we need to continue the discussion on our policy and procedure. Having initial discussion during the WoT main call is also fine, but that kind of plan should be also clarified there./
12:36:45 [kaz]
s|there./|there.|
12:37:04 [Mizushima]
+1 kaz
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12:42:08 [McCool]
mm: think we need to define overall process first, before we discuss internal details of UC TF procedures
12:42:49 [kaz]
i/think we/scribenick: McCool/
12:42:51 [McCool]
ml: can look at other standards groups for requirements process, eg. DVB consortium has a good process
12:43:48 [McCool]
... there is a commercial group that gathers commercial requirements, then these are approved by steering board (members from other TFs).
12:43:56 [kaz]
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12:44:30 [McCool]
mm: we definitely need a process that lets us prioritize for industry adoption
12:44:33 [McCool]
ml: right
12:45:12 [McCool]
kaz: can look at other SDOs, also IETF, ISO, etc; however, most important part is our own intentions
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12:45:55 [McCool]
kaz: we should clarify as WG the basic policies about what kinds of ideas to be obtained from what kind of people and how
12:46:06 [McCool]
... in my mind can be quite simple
12:47:09 [McCool]
mm: I think we are clear on the goal: wide industry adoption
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... but I'm not convinced it's clear how to get there
12:47:49 [McCool]
ml: would not necessarily survey all other SDOs, just giving an example
12:48:23 [Ege]
q+
12:48:41 [McCool]
ml: we have to avoid just adding a bunch of features without motivation
12:48:50 [kaz]
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ege: what do the other W3C groups do
12:49:40 [McCool]
ml: my understanding is that groups are self-organizing
12:49:41 [kaz]
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12:50:20 [McCool]
kaz: have been working as a team contact for a long time and for many groups
12:50:43 [McCool]
... all those groups have started with use cases and as part of liaisons with external SDOs
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... but relationships with external orgs is getting more and more complicated
12:51:43 [McCool]
... what should be clarified is something like what ML is showing (@@link)
12:52:36 [kaz]
ack k
12:53:29 [mlagally]
https://github.com/w3c/wot-usecases/pull/225
12:53:44 [McCool]
mm: do think we need to work harder on gathering stakeholders and contributions
12:54:42 [McCool]
mm: do want to say that UC document is a good baseline for future work
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s/mm:/ml:/
12:55:19 [kaz]
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12:55:59 [McCool]
mm: want to say we appreciate your contributions and hope that you next project is interesting!
12:57:39 [McCool]
kaz: myself also; but if not working on use cases, need to think about policy
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12:57:55 [McCool]
mm: that is my intention
12:58:24 [kaz]
s/about policy/about policy, procedure and strategy for the next Charter period./
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topic: Next calls
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s/topic: Next calls//
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[adjourned]
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