17:50:00 RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg 17:50:04 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-irc 17:50:04 RRSAgent, make logs Public 17:50:35 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King 17:50:35 MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force 17:50:47 CHAIR: Jemma 17:50:51 present+ 17:50:58 rrsagent, make minutes 17:51:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King 17:51:57 TOPIC: Review Agenda and Next Meeting Date 17:52:18 View agenda at https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-18%2C-2023-Agenda 17:52:35 Next meeting: April 25 17:52:42 rrsagent, make minutes 17:52:43 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King 17:58:50 jongund has joined #aria-apg 18:00:47 arigilmore has joined #aria-apg 18:00:51 present+ 18:00:59 CurtBellew has joined #aria-apg 18:01:12 jugglinmike has joined #aria-apg 18:01:19 present+ jugglinmike 18:01:24 Andrea has joined #aria-apg 18:03:48 scribe+ jugglinmike 18:04:38 present+ Andrea 18:05:57 jugglinmike: May 2nd will be a travel day for many folks involved with ARIA because it precedes a face-to-face meeting 18:06:09 s/jugglinmike/Matt_King/ 18:06:27 Matt_King: We'll probably cancel the meeting for May 2. 18:06:45 Matt_King: But that's two weeks from today, so we'll confirm during next week's meeting 18:06:53 Topic: Status of Site Updates 18:07:53 Matt_King: We had an amazing cross-team effort involving a lot of people to release support tables--five of them on four different pages on APG! 18:08:33 Matt_King: And a blog post titled "ANSWERING 'WHAT ARIA CAN I USE?'" available here: https://www.w3.org/blog/2023/04/answering-what-aria-can-i-use/ 18:08:54 Matt_King: This is a really big milestone in my mind. The post explains why 18:12:23 present+ jongund 18:12:36 jongund: It looks like the "skip to" content is being rendered twice on the new page 18:12:49 Matt_King: I noticed that, too. I wasn't sure if it was just me 18:12:59 jongund: I'll try to look into it further 18:13:43 Topic: Pull request reviews 18:13:48 present+ 18:13:52 Subtopic: PR 2643 - Datepicker Modal Dialog: Updated code and fixed next/prev month bug by jongund 18:14:00 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2643 18:14:07 Matt_King: I think this is really close 18:14:38 Matt_King: The only thing we're waiting on is a review of the regression tests by Alex_Flenniken 18:15:15 jugglinmike: That will probably not happen this week due to Bocoup's week-long "all-hands" meeting taking place now 18:15:27 Subtopic: PR 2622 - Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified by jongund 18:15:33 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622 18:15:47 jongund: I fixed the issue where when you were using keyboard commands, it wasn't following focus 18:16:15 Matt_King: Just if you're pressing the shortcut keys, or also when focus is on the "up" and "down" buttons 18:16:42 jongund: Just the shortcut keys. The expected behavior when focus is on the "up" and "down" buttons needs more discussion 18:16:52 Matt_King: Okay, I think we have a separate issue for that 18:17:16 Matt_King: We're also waiting on Alex_Flenniken here 18:17:51 Matt_King: I have a little to do as well 18:18:01 Subtopic: PR 2670: Add landmark pattern page by mcking65 18:18:08 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2670 18:18:16 Matt_King: arigilmore has reviewed 18:18:35 Matt_King: We don't have a preview, though. arigilmore were you looking at the code diff? 18:19:00 Matt_King: Alex_Flenniken told us it failed to build 18:19:50 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622#issuecomment-1445448609 18:24:41 Matt_King: There are other people listed for review, but since we don't have a preview, let's mark the pull request as a draft 18:25:35 Matt_King: Hopefully we'll be able to get that into a ready-to-review state, but we'll have to talk with Alex_Flenniken 18:25:43 Topic: New Issue Action Planning 18:34:48 Matt_King: I'm going to take some steps to make gh-2675 more actionable, so we'll skip that one for now 18:35:02 subtopic: Select-Only Combobox Closes When Clicking on its Scrollbar 18:35:09 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2674 18:36:37 need to leave a little early today 18:36:47 present+ jongund 18:37:46 jugglinmike: I can replicate this using Firefox and Ubuntu 18:37:56 Matt_King: Does this occur in other examples? 18:39:29 jugglinmike: it works as expected in "Editable Combobox With Both List and Inline Autocomplete Example" 18:39:33 present+ Andrea 18:39:39 Andrea: I can take a look 18:39:46 Matt_King: Thanks, I have assigned you 18:45:02 Subtopic: Switch Pattern: probably not exactly "interchangable" with checkboxes 18:45:06 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel++sort%3Aupdated-desc 18:45:18 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2647 18:48:32 MarkMcCarthy has joined #aria-apg 18:48:34 present+ 18:50:34 Matt_King: I don't want to muddy the waters in the first paragraph which describes how to choose a role. But maybe we could address this difference in how they may be conventionally applied in the second paragraph 18:53:50 jamesn: It seems like you should use switch only if activating it takes effect immediately 18:54:27 jugglinmike: So does that mean switches shouldn't be used in forms which aren't powered with JavaScript? 18:54:37 jamesn: I don't think they should be used in that case 18:56:13 Matt_King: We might have some other places where we use accessibility to say, "change your visual design because it doesn't reflect the accessibility semantics", but we've worked pretty hard to avoid doing that. I might be forgetting something, but it somehow feels like crossing a line. 18:57:05 Matt_King: I guess there are some places were we say, "for accessibility reasons, don't create massive radio button groups--use something like a typeahead, instead" 18:57:14 present+ MarkMcCarthy 18:57:48 MarkMcCarthy: It only says "they are often functionally interchangeable". It doesn't say "always", but maybe we could say "sometimes" 18:58:51 MarkMcCarthy: I think this is a non-issue, though. I can see that they aren't exactly interchangeable, but APG isn't saying that they're exactly interchangeable. 19:01:15 RRSAgent, publish minutes 19:01:16 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html jugglinmike 19:05:29 TOPIC: End of Meeting 19:05:37 RRSAgent, make minutes 19:05:38 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html MarkMcCarthy 19:06:15 jongund has joined #aria-apg 19:07:06 It might recognize "end subtopic" 19:07:10 https://github.com/dbaron/wgmeeting-github-ircbot 19:07:27 those docs demonstrate "github-bot, end topic" 19:07:43 and they also describe its understanding of subtopics, generally 19:07:56 though they don't explicitly say you can tell it "github-bot, end subtopic" 19:13:48 Same here 19:13:52 jongund has joined #aria-apg 19:14:42 though MarkMcCarthy, judging from the way "end topic" is coded as a specific command, without a corresponding "end subtopic", that idea of mine may be invalid https://github.com/dbaron/wgmeeting-github-ircbot/blob/81ad19f8849a8f742a63e54e6fd3494247241005/src/lib.rs#L541 19:16:01 But what am I saying? We don't need "end subtopic" if we have "end topic". Not for the "last subtopic of the meeting" use case, anyway 19:16:14 maybe the hacky way, or just ending the whole topic, is the way to go. maybe they chose only "end topic" because you could make a new one --- right! I was just saying that lol 19:17:31 Great minds :P 19:23:00 or something like that :D 20:26:50 jongund has joined #aria-apg 20:34:57 jugglinmike has left #aria-apg 21:18:04 jongund has joined #aria-apg 21:27:25 Zakim has left #aria-apg 22:23:01 jongund has joined #aria-apg 23:05:27 shawn has joined #aria-apg 23:18:08 github-bot has joined #aria-apg