IRC log of aria-apg on 2023-04-18
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King
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- MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
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- CHAIR: Jemma
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- present+
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- TOPIC: Review Agenda and Next Meeting Date
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- View agenda at https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-18%2C-2023-Agenda
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- Next meeting: April 25
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
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- 18:01:12 [jugglinmike]
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- present+ jugglinmike
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- present+ Andrea
- 18:05:57 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: May 2nd will be a travel day for many folks involved with ARIA because it precedes a face-to-face meeting
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- s/jugglinmike/Matt_King/
- 18:06:27 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We'll probably cancel the meeting for May 2.
- 18:06:45 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: But that's two weeks from today, so we'll confirm during next week's meeting
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- Topic: Status of Site Updates
- 18:07:53 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We had an amazing cross-team effort involving a lot of people to release support tables--five of them on four different pages on APG!
- 18:08:33 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: And a blog post titled "ANSWERING 'WHAT ARIA CAN I USE?'" available here: https://www.w3.org/blog/2023/04/answering-what-aria-can-i-use/
- 18:08:54 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: This is a really big milestone in my mind. The post explains why
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- present+ jongund
- 18:12:36 [jugglinmike]
- jongund: It looks like the "skip to" content is being rendered twice on the new page
- 18:12:49 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I noticed that, too. I wasn't sure if it was just me
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- jongund: I'll try to look into it further
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- Topic: Pull request reviews
- 18:13:48 [CurtBellew]
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- Subtopic: PR 2643 - Datepicker Modal Dialog: Updated code and fixed next/prev month bug by jongund
- 18:14:00 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2643
- 18:14:07 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I think this is really close
- 18:14:38 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: The only thing we're waiting on is a review of the regression tests by Alex_Flenniken
- 18:15:15 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: That will probably not happen this week due to Bocoup's week-long "all-hands" meeting taking place now
- 18:15:27 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: PR 2622 - Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified by jongund
- 18:15:33 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622
- 18:15:47 [jugglinmike]
- jongund: I fixed the issue where when you were using keyboard commands, it wasn't following focus
- 18:16:15 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Just if you're pressing the shortcut keys, or also when focus is on the "up" and "down" buttons
- 18:16:42 [jugglinmike]
- jongund: Just the shortcut keys. The expected behavior when focus is on the "up" and "down" buttons needs more discussion
- 18:16:52 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Okay, I think we have a separate issue for that
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- Matt_King: We're also waiting on Alex_Flenniken here
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- Matt_King: I have a little to do as well
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- Subtopic: PR 2670: Add landmark pattern page by mcking65
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- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2670
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- Matt_King: arigilmore has reviewed
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- Matt_King: We don't have a preview, though. arigilmore were you looking at the code diff?
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- Matt_King: Alex_Flenniken told us it failed to build
- 18:19:50 [arigilmore]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622#issuecomment-1445448609
- 18:24:41 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: There are other people listed for review, but since we don't have a preview, let's mark the pull request as a draft
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- Matt_King: Hopefully we'll be able to get that into a ready-to-review state, but we'll have to talk with Alex_Flenniken
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- Topic: New Issue Action Planning
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- Matt_King: I'm going to take some steps to make gh-2675 more actionable, so we'll skip that one for now
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- subtopic: Select-Only Combobox Closes When Clicking on its Scrollbar
- 18:35:09 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2674
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- need to leave a little early today
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- present+ jongund
- 18:37:46 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: I can replicate this using Firefox and Ubuntu
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- Matt_King: Does this occur in other examples?
- 18:39:29 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: it works as expected in "Editable Combobox With Both List and Inline Autocomplete Example"
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- present+ Andrea
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- Andrea: I can take a look
- 18:39:46 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: Thanks, I have assigned you
- 18:45:02 [jugglinmike]
- Subtopic: Switch Pattern: probably not exactly "interchangable" with checkboxes
- 18:45:06 [jugglinmike]
- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+created%3A%3E2021-08-15+no%3Alabel++sort%3Aupdated-desc
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- github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2647
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- present+
- 18:50:34 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I don't want to muddy the waters in the first paragraph which describes how to choose a role. But maybe we could address this difference in how they may be conventionally applied in the second paragraph
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- jamesn: It seems like you should use switch only if activating it takes effect immediately
- 18:54:27 [jugglinmike]
- jugglinmike: So does that mean switches shouldn't be used in forms which aren't powered with JavaScript?
- 18:54:37 [jugglinmike]
- jamesn: I don't think they should be used in that case
- 18:56:13 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: We might have some other places where we use accessibility to say, "change your visual design because it doesn't reflect the accessibility semantics", but we've worked pretty hard to avoid doing that. I might be forgetting something, but it somehow feels like crossing a line.
- 18:57:05 [jugglinmike]
- Matt_King: I guess there are some places were we say, "for accessibility reasons, don't create massive radio button groups--use something like a typeahead, instead"
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- MarkMcCarthy: It only says "they are often functionally interchangeable". It doesn't say "always", but maybe we could say "sometimes"
- 18:58:51 [jugglinmike]
- MarkMcCarthy: I think this is a non-issue, though. I can see that they aren't exactly interchangeable, but APG isn't saying that they're exactly interchangeable.
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- TOPIC: End of Meeting
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html MarkMcCarthy
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- 19:07:06 [jugglinmike]
- It might recognize "end subtopic"
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- https://github.com/dbaron/wgmeeting-github-ircbot
- 19:07:27 [jugglinmike]
- those docs demonstrate "github-bot, end topic"
- 19:07:43 [jugglinmike]
- and they also describe its understanding of subtopics, generally
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- though they don't explicitly say you can tell it "github-bot, end subtopic"
- 19:13:48 [jugglinmike]
- Same here
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- 19:14:42 [jugglinmike]
- though MarkMcCarthy, judging from the way "end topic" is coded as a specific command, without a corresponding "end subtopic", that idea of mine may be invalid https://github.com/dbaron/wgmeeting-github-ircbot/blob/81ad19f8849a8f742a63e54e6fd3494247241005/src/lib.rs#L541
- 19:16:01 [jugglinmike]
- But what am I saying? We don't need "end subtopic" if we have "end topic". Not for the "last subtopic of the meeting" use case, anyway
- 19:16:14 [MarkMcCarthy]
- maybe the hacky way, or just ending the whole topic, is the way to go. maybe they chose only "end topic" because you could make a new one --- right! I was just saying that lol
- 19:17:31 [jugglinmike]
- Great minds :P
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- or something like that :D
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