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11:07:54 <mlagally> zakim, who is on the call?
11:07:54 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
11:09:21 <Ege> present+ Ege_Korkan, Michael_Lagally
11:09:31 <Ege> chair: Michael_Lagally
11:09:57 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Tooaki_Mizushima
11:10:18 <Ege> q=
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11:10:28 <kaz> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Profile_WebConf#Profile_-_April_12th.2C_2023
11:10:35 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
11:10:41 <kaz> q+
11:10:44 <kaz> ack e
11:11:22 <kaz> ack
11:11:27 <kaz> topic: Agenda
11:11:38 <Ege> q+
11:11:40 <kaz> ek: given low participation, should work on simpler items
11:12:16 <kaz> ack k
11:12:42 <kaz> kaz: we need to think about Testfest prep given it's planned to be held during the week of April 24
11:12:53 <kaz> ml: to be added to the agenda for today
11:14:48 <kaz> regrets+ Lagally
11:15:12 <kaz> regrets- Lagally
11:15:16 <kaz> regrets+ McCool
11:15:53 <kaz> topic: Minutes
11:16:03 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-profile-minutes.html Apr-5
11:16:04 <kaz> approved
11:16:10 <kaz> topic: Issues
11:16:45 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 333
11:16:55 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/333 Issue 333 - Column names
11:17:05 <kaz> ml: Sebastian is not available for Profile these days
11:17:12 <kaz> ... Ege, can you work on this issue?
11:17:16 <kaz> ek: yes
11:17:29 <kaz> ... what's the main question here?
11:18:04 <kaz> ml: (shows the mismatch between Profile and TD)
11:18:45 <kaz> q+
11:18:48 <kaz> ack e
11:18:58 <kaz> ek: aligning all the tables. right?
11:19:11 <kaz> ml: let's concentrate on this point now
11:19:43 <kaz> ... aligning all the tables is a valid question, though...
11:19:49 <kaz> s/,though.../
11:20:05 <kaz> s/aligning/but aligning/
11:20:10 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
11:20:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:20:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:20:43 <kaz> s/ack//
11:20:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:20:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:23:08 <kaz> kaz: if we want to follow the definition of the tables within the TD spec, that's fine and probably would be useful
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11:23:48 <kaz> ... however, are we aware that would mean we need to update our own tables once the original tables within the TD spec are updated
11:24:29 <kaz> ... my point is just that we need to be aware of the dependency
11:24:42 <kaz> ml: think we're aware of that dependency
11:25:39 <kaz> ... but don't want to consider all the tables
11:26:02 <kaz> ... so would suggest we concentrate on this table within Link section
11:26:25 <kaz> s/Link section/"5.6 Links" section/
11:27:01 <kaz> kaz: and we need to check with Sebastian. right?
11:27:08 <kaz> ml: Ege should check with Sebastian
11:27:21 <kaz> ek: ok
11:28:05 <kaz> topic: Contributions
11:28:17 <kaz> ml: would like to think about work assignments
11:29:01 <kaz> -> https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/ WoT Profile Editors Draft
11:29:11 <kaz> ml: we have 6 Editors here
11:29:25 <kaz> meeting: WoT Profile
11:29:28 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:29:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz
11:30:25 <kaz> q+
11:30:44 <kaz> ... would like to think about how to share the load
11:32:08 <kaz> ack k
11:32:14 <Ege> q+
11:32:21 <kaz> kaz: we should clarify our procedure first
11:32:34 <kaz> ... who from the Editors to handle which issues
11:32:38 <kaz> ... which depends on who are still active
11:32:52 <kaz> ... then clarify who to generate concrete PRs
11:33:13 <kaz> ... I personally think the original issue raiser should generate it
11:33:34 <kaz> ek: don't think we need to clarify that kind of policy
11:33:49 <kaz> ... also not sure the original issue raiser need to generate a concrete PR
11:34:10 <kaz> s/generate it/generate it. of course the Editors can help, though./
11:34:23 <kaz> ml: that's a reasonable comment but we have problems now
11:34:49 <kaz> ek: it's a common problem with our specs in general
11:35:12 <kaz> ml: maybe we should have a general policy discussion as well
11:35:24 <kaz> q?
11:35:25 <kaz> ack e
11:35:34 <kaz> q+
11:36:38 <kaz> ack k
11:37:01 <kaz> kaz: it seems we need some more time for this discussion on assignment
11:37:15 <kaz> ... do we want to postpone this discussion and talk about Testfest prep?
11:37:43 <Ege> q+
11:37:44 <kaz> ... or rather postpone the discussion on Testfest prep and think about assignment now?
11:38:13 <kaz> ml: let's postpone the discussion on the assignment
11:38:23 <kaz> ... and talk about the Testprep now
11:38:26 <kaz> topic: Testfest prep
11:38:27 <kaz> q?
11:38:58 <kaz> subtopic: Issue 312
11:39:26 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/312 Issue 312 - Define Plugfest Test Scenarios
11:39:43 <kaz> q+
11:39:44 <kaz> ack e
11:39:53 <Ege> q+
11:40:19 <mlagally> proposal 1: WG member who submitted an issue should be initial assignee, he should drive it, identify a contributor
11:41:23 <kaz> s/subtopic: Issue 312/
11:41:41 <kaz> s|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/issues/312 Issue 312 - Define Plugfest Test Scenarios||
11:42:02 <kaz> s|ml: let's postpone the discussion on the assignment||
11:42:12 <kaz> s|... and talk about the Testprep now||
11:42:14 <mlagally> proposal 2: round robin assignment of current editors to unassigned issues and ask them to drive the contributions
11:42:28 <kaz> ml: there two proposals so far
11:42:56 <kaz> i/proposal 1/ml: let's talk about the policy how to handle the issue assignments/
11:43:43 <kaz> s/issue assignments/issue assignments a bit more/
11:44:03 <kaz> s/so far/so far, so would record them now./
11:44:11 <kaz> topic: Testfest prep
11:44:47 <kaz> subtopic: Which specification parts are ready for testing?
11:44:58 <kaz> ml: (goes through the Editor's Draft)
11:45:14 <kaz> i|goes|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-profile/ Editor's Draft|
11:45:25 <kaz> q+
11:45:59 <kaz> ... think all the content from the Editor's Draft is ready
11:46:19 <kaz> kaz: meaning all the sections starting from section 1 till the Appendix?
11:46:21 <kaz> ack k
11:46:27 <kaz> ml: yes
11:46:36 <kaz> q+
11:46:49 <kaz> ek: which parts to be expected to be tested?
11:47:00 <kaz> ... CSV files to be updated
11:47:14 <kaz> ack e
11:47:34 <kaz> ml: people are contributing TDs
11:47:45 <kaz> ... why don't we ask them to do the same contribution
11:48:39 <kaz> kaz: we're diving into the second item already
11:48:48 <kaz> ... let's talk about the content first
11:50:27 <kaz> ... regarding the content itself, are we ready to extract normative assertions from all the sections?
11:50:42 <kaz> ml: McCool is working on that
11:51:00 <kaz> ... we have tools generated by McCool and Toumura-san
11:53:42 <kaz> kaz: given the feedback from the TD, Arch and Discovery specs, we should make sure if all the assertions are comprehensive enough for the developers
11:54:59 <kaz> ml: we've been getting feedback from developers at least from the WG participants
11:58:57 <kaz> ... but why do we need to clarify if the document is comprehensive enough?
11:59:02 <Ege> q+
11:59:18 <kaz> kaz: given the feedback we got so far for the other specs, i.g., TD, Architecture and Discovery
11:59:43 <kaz> ... unfortunately, the assertions from those specs were not clear enough for the external developers
11:59:58 <kaz> ... so now we're holding Dev Meeting to describe the assertios
12:00:00 <kaz> ack k
12:00:06 <kaz> s/assertios/assertions/
12:00:22 <kaz> q+
12:00:24 <kaz> ack e
12:00:51 <kaz> (some more discussion)
12:00:57 <kaz> kaz: sorry but we're out of time
12:01:03 <kaz> ... so let's continue the discussion next time
12:01:14 <kaz> ml: can't make the Testing call myself today
12:01:23 <kaz> ... but please have discussion there as well
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12:01:26 <kaz> [adjourned]
12:01:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-profile-minutes.html kaz