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12:20:20 <McCool_> ... up to 16 hours if we use all slots, but need to worry about remote participants
12:20:20 <kaz> q?
12:20:23 <kaz> q+ Ege
12:20:27 <McCool_> ... so probably can only use afternoons
12:20:59 <McCool_> ege: so topics are one thing, physical presence
12:21:56 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda WoT TPAC 2023 wiki
12:21:56 <McCool_> ... I do plan to go
12:21:58 <McCool_> seb: I also plan to go
12:22:03 <McCool_> mm: I am not sure yet
12:22:04 <McCool_> ... let
12:22:16 <McCool_> s/let/let's add a section to the wiki to track this/
12:22:35 <McCool_> seb: (edits wiki to add link to qs, etc)
12:22:40 <kaz> s|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda WoT TPAC 2023 wiki||
12:23:11 <McCool_> seb: also need to clarify plugfest
12:23:12 <McCool_> q+
12:23:18 <kaz> i|edits|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf/2023_WoT_TPAC_Agenda WoT TPAC 2023 wiki|
12:23:23 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:23:27 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:23:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:23:36 <McCool_> ... personally think demo table was very good, but need prep time
12:23:36 <kaz> q?
12:23:38 <sebastian> q?
12:23:39 <McCool_> ack e
12:23:39 <kaz> ack e
12:23:44 <kaz> q+
12:24:43 <McCool_> mm: propose we take the weekend before for a demo-development plugfest, and then also schedule a demo breakout
12:24:55 <McCool_> ... however this qs does not ask about breakouts - that will come later
12:25:40 <McCool_> kaz: please remember breakout sessions will be handled separately, will come later
12:26:10 <McCool_> ... having demos and plugfest like in Lyon would be useful but situation is still a hybrid meeting
12:26:20 <sebastian> q?
12:26:23 <kaz> ack m
12:26:25 <kaz> ack k
12:26:27 <sebastian> ack m
12:26:39 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:26:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:26:47 <McCool_> ... will have to organize carefully, agree, can support remote demos as well
12:27:10 <McCool_> mm: but can organize later
12:27:19 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:27:19 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
12:27:21 <McCool_> seb: any other topics?
12:27:33 <McCool_> ege: marketing task force resolutions
12:27:44 <Ege> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2023Apr/0003.html
12:27:53 <kaz> i/any other/subtopic: AOB/
12:28:07 <McCool_> 1.  Collecting articles about WoT from the Web with a strict selection policy: As you can see in the Pull Request [1] and its rendering [2], we are adding a new page with list of articles from the Web. The policy to select them can be also seen at [3]. If you do not have any objections, we would like to merge the Pull Request.   2.  Social Media Management: We have decided [4] that the social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter ac[CUT]
12:28:42 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima
12:28:58 <McCool_> ege: good to look at related PRs and policy documents; for example, review policy for listing articles
12:29:08 <McCool_> ... only links, not rehosting
12:29:38 <kaz> s|[CUT]|count, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. We have detailed the policy in a comment at [5]. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy [6] to reflect this.|
12:29:47 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
12:29:50 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:29:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:30:11 <sebastian> q?
12:30:28 <McCool_> mm: need actual resolution for this...
12:30:33 <kaz> i|Collecting|[[|
12:30:39 <kaz> i/good to/]]/
12:30:41 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:30:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:31:19 <Ege> proposal: we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page
12:31:19 <kaz> q+
12:31:19 <Ege> proposal: we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page. See PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/357
12:31:19 <McCool_> kaz: also good to link email
12:31:19 <kaz> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-ig/2023Apr/0003.html
12:31:31 <kaz> s/https/-> https/
12:31:37 <Ege> ack k
12:32:02 <McCool_> mm: to confirm, this covers only item 1, right?
12:32:02 <kaz> s/003.html/003.html Mrketing TF proposal/
12:32:04 <McCool_> ege: right
12:32:11 <Ege> RESOLUTION: we agree to merge PR 357 of the marketing repository to have an articles page on our web page. See PR: https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/pull/357
12:32:14 <McCool_> seb: any objections?
12:32:32 <McCool_> seb: then there is the second request
12:32:45 <McCool_> ege: this is about twitter, but also social media in general
12:32:46 <kaz> i|right|  1.  Collecting articles about WoT from the Web with a strict selection policy: As you can see in the Pull Request [1] and its rendering [2], we are adding a new page with list of articles from the Web. The policy to select them can be also seen at [3]. If you do not have any objections, we would like to merge the Pull Request.|
12:32:57 <kaz> s/Collecting/[[/
12:33:00 <kaz> i/right/]]/
12:33:04 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:33:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:33:19 <kaz> meeting: WoT-IG/WG
12:33:25 <McCool_> ... whether we can post content on the WoT twitter account, which belongs to the WG, can come from other groups
12:34:14 <kaz> i|this is about|  2.  Social Media Management: We have decided [4] that the social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. We have detailed the policy in a comment at [5]. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy [6] to reflect this.|
12:34:20 <kaz> i/Social/[[/
12:34:35 <kaz> i/this is about t/]]/
12:34:51 <sebastian> q?
12:34:56 <kaz> q+
12:35:26 <McCool_> mm: as the policy is stated, feel a little uncomfortable allowing groups outside WoT (JP) CG to post
12:35:48 <McCool_> seb: so this is a policy it that we will share the twitter account, correct?
12:36:01 <McCool_> ege: right, as long as the group posting is identified
12:36:24 <McCool_> seb: ok with this approach, would rather not have a separate social media account, too messy
12:37:16 <sebastian> q?
12:37:18 <McCool_> seb: generally agree
12:37:19 <sebastian> ack k
12:37:47 <Ege> q+
12:37:48 <McCool_> kaz: what we discussed in the marketing call was having separate accounts for each group, can do their own posts
12:37:51 <McCool_> q+
12:38:12 <McCool_> ... so would then *retweet* on the main WoT WG twitter account
12:38:16 <McCool_> q?
12:38:21 <kaz> ack k
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12:39:10 <McCool_> ege: that is correct; we didn't say that other groups would have own account, can be any resource, but retweeting is easiest way
12:39:44 <McCool_> ... general idea however is to only reference content, not duplicate it
12:39:49 <McCool_> mm: sounds good to me
12:39:53 <kaz> s/own posts/own posts about their own properties./
12:40:23 <Ege> proposal: We have decided [4] that the social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. We have detailed the policy in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.
12:40:50 <Ege> proposal: The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can promote WoT content created by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.
12:41:03 <kaz> q+
12:41:13 <McCool_> ack e
12:41:15 <McCool_> ack m
12:41:31 <sebastian> ack e
12:41:33 <sebastian> ack m
12:41:59 <McCool_> kaz: if our intention is to do what is discussed in this call, but is dangerous to mix things up do much
12:42:26 <McCool_> ... mechanism is that anyone can refer to any resources
12:42:57 <McCool_> ... this proposed policy is still a bit vague
12:43:21 <McCool_> mm: want to modify the resolution or the policy doc?
12:43:38 <McCool_> kaz: should be more explicit about using only references, not copies, of content
12:43:47 <Ege> proposal: The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can refer to WoT content created and owned by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.
12:44:08 <McCool_> ... someone may wrongly understand if they only see this resolution
12:44:47 <McCool_> seb: anyone objecting to current proposal?
12:44:48 <Ege> resolution: The social media accounts owned by the IG/WG such as our Twitter account, or others in the future, can refer to WoT content created and owned by other entities. Detailed policy is available in a comment at https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/362#issuecomment-1495900883. After a group resolution, we will change the current policy to reflect this.
12:45:17 <McCool_> topic: New WG Charter
12:45:18 <kaz> q?
12:45:19 <kaz> ack k
12:45:31 <McCool_> seb: have draft, have submitted for horizontal review
12:45:34 <kaz> q+
12:45:40 <kaz> i|have|-> https://w3c.github.io/wot-charter-drafts/wot-wg-2023-draft.html Proposed Charter|
12:45:52 <McCool_> ... still fresh, so no reviews yet
12:46:41 <McCool_> kaz: created strategy pipeline, first horizontal review, then W3M review
12:47:05 <kaz> s/W3M review/W3M review, and then AC review/
12:47:11 <McCool_> seb: next, need resolution to publish minutes for charter discussion
12:47:25 <McCool_> q+
12:47:30 <McCool_> ack k
12:48:02 <kaz> topic: Charter meeting minutes
12:48:13 <kaz> q+
12:48:30 <McCool_> mm: I have done a full review, sent a list of corrections
12:48:43 <kaz> ack k
12:48:43 <McCool_> kaz: have corrected all the ones McCool mentioned
12:48:52 <McCool_> seb: any other corrections?
12:49:46 <kaz> i|done|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md Charter meeting page including the links for the draft minutes|
12:49:46 <McCool_> proposal: publish corrected charter discussion minutes at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md
12:49:46 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:50:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
12:50:24 <McCool_> resolution: publish corrected charter discussion minutes at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/README.md
12:50:38 <kaz> topic: Testimonials
12:51:05 <McCool_> mm: suggest we push to testing call, but in general need to contact AC rep, so may take time
12:51:12 <McCool_> ... if have questions, please email me
12:51:23 <McCool_> topic: Societal Qs
12:51:32 <McCool_> seb: still need to review, but McCool has updated
12:51:36 <McCool_> topic: Planning
12:51:47 <McCool_> seb: have been planning Dev meetings
12:51:48 <McCool_> q+
12:52:11 <kaz> s/Planning/Dev meetings/
12:52:24 <Ege> q+
12:52:33 <McCool_> ... note that Arch Dev meeting will be tomorrow
12:52:42 <kaz> i|have been|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2023Apr/0002.html slides info (Member-only)|
12:52:53 <kaz> q+
12:52:57 <kaz> ack m
12:54:06 <McCool_> mm: have updated at-risk items in both of these
12:54:27 <kaz> s/these/these. we should make sure external developers will join the events./
12:54:34 <kaz> ek: will invite them
12:54:41 <kaz> i/will/scribenick: kaz/
12:54:46 <kaz> scribenick: McCool_
12:55:50 <McCool_> mm: would also like to send email to CG to invite; I will do IG/WG
12:56:00 <McCool_> ... also, I will chair Arch Dev mtg if necessary
12:56:04 <kaz> q+
12:56:20 <kaz> ack e
12:56:22 <kaz> ack k
12:56:35 <McCool_> kaz: Mizushima will be working on JP Dev meetings; still to be scheduled
12:56:40 <McCool_> topic: Testfests
12:56:57 <McCool_> seb: please be aware week of April 24, three days, 1h each day
12:57:43 <kaz> zakim, who is on the call?
12:57:43 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima, David_Ezell
12:58:08 <kaz> i|please|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-testing/tree/main/events/2023.03.Online Testfest page|
12:58:09 <kaz> q+
12:58:11 <McCool_> mm: this is our last testfest this charter, and last chance to resolve at-risk items
12:58:28 <McCool_> ... note date for finalizing test results really May 10
12:59:10 <kaz> ack k
12:59:11 <McCool_> mm: also, scope is all deliverables, not just profiles
12:59:21 <McCool_> topic: Binding Meetup
12:59:25 <McCool_> seb: any news?
12:59:37 <McCool_> mz: no new news
12:59:40 <kaz> q+
13:00:02 <McCool_> kaz: we need to wait a bit to see feedback from other dev mtgs and testfest first
13:00:17 <McCool_> topic: Detailed Work Items
13:00:51 <kaz> i/Binding M/kaz: so I asked the Profile TF to think about the Teftfest prep during the Profile call right before this main call today./
13:01:02 <kaz> i/so I/scribenick: kaz/
13:01:15 <McCool_> mm: propose we do this only after testing is done
13:01:19 <kaz> i/any news/scribenick: McCool_/
13:01:34 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:01:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/12-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:01:52 <McCool_> seb: also think it is ok for TFs to merge items
13:02:00 <McCool_> mm: for their own work items, sure, that is fine
13:02:09 <McCool_> topic: AOB?
13:02:25 <McCool_> seb: many cancellations due to Easter, so don't expect many TF reports
13:02:26 <kaz> i|propose|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/labels/Detailed%20Work%20Items remaining PRs|
13:02:45 <McCool_> seb: adjourn, thanks
13:02:52 <kaz> i|propose|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/wot-wg-2023-details.html details doc|
13:02:57 <kaz> [adjourned]
13:03:02 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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