IRC log of wot on 2023-04-05

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12:03:32 [kaz]

meeting: WoT-WG/IG

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q+

12:07:12 [Ege]

topic: Minutes Review

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q-

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scribenick: Ege

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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Cristiano_Aguzzi, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura, Luca_Barbato, Michael_Lagally, Ryuichi_Matsukura, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Tomoaki_Mizushima

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chair: McCool

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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#5_April_2023

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-> https://www.w3.org/2023/03/29-wot-minutes.html Apr-29

12:08:58 [Ege]

mm: anything to change that relates to main call?

12:09:11 [kaz]

s/main call/main call part/

12:09:38 [kaz]

rrsagent, make log public

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:09:50 [Ege]

topic: Quick Updates

12:10:04 [cris_]

q+

12:10:31 [kaz]

q+

12:10:47 [Ege]

mm: due to Hannover Fair, we have missing members

12:11:15 [Ege]

... so we have cancellations

12:11:26 [kaz]

ack c

12:11:54 [Ege]

mm: should we cancel other meetings?

12:12:19 [Ege]

kaz: let's let TF moderators decide and bring proposals to this call

12:12:26 [Ege]

mm: let's do that

12:13:29 [kaz]

s/Basically, all the TF leaders should put proposed cancellations on the main wiki before the main call starts, and we should confirm the proposals during the main call./

12:13:37 [kaz]

s/let's let TF moderators decide and bring proposals to this call/Basically, all the TF leaders should put proposed cancellations on the main wiki before the main call starts, and we should confirm the proposals during the main call./

12:13:40 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:13:48 [Ege]

mm: Siemens wants to sponsor a workshop about industry adoption

12:13:56 [Ege]

q+

12:14:08 [kaz]

i/due to Hann/subtopic: Cancellations/

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ack k

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q+

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ack e

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q+

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q+

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ack ml

12:15:31 [Ege]

ek: switzerland was also discussed

12:16:00 [Ege]

ml: covid seems to be gone, should we do more F2F, do people have budget and time?

12:16:32 [Ege]

mm: let's see what happens in seville

12:16:51 [Ege]

... and then we can discuss next events

12:17:41 [kaz]

s/sebille/Sevilla/

12:17:41 [Ege]

sk: we want to do something like in 2019

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ack s

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... and we want to show companies having it in their products

12:19:08 [dezell]

present+ David_Ezell

12:19:36 [Ege]

sk: around may but we should check that we do not conflict with fairs

12:19:49 [Ege]

... most likely the event will be in berlin

12:20:24 [Ege]

mm: we need a proposal to make it a w3c event

12:21:05 [kaz]

-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2023JanMar/0078.html TPAC meeting questionnaire (Member-only)

12:21:25 [Ege]

kaz: let's move on with charter

12:21:40 [Ege]

kaz: also we need to answer tpac questionnaire

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ack k

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q+

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ack e

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ack e

12:23:46 [dape]

q?

12:23:57 [Ege]

topic: Scripting API

12:24:10 [Ege]

mm: the group review has started, 2 week deadline

12:24:18 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:24:25 [Ege]

dp: I have put wrong link but yes, we have two week period

12:24:40 [Ege]

ek: There is a resolution for Binding Templates as well, I will send an email

12:24:44 [kaz]

s/seville/Sevilla/

12:24:44 [Ege]

topic: Charter

12:25:05 [kaz]

i/Siemens wants/subtopic: Possible workshop/

12:25:47 [Ege]

mm: we want to merge PR 113 and have resolution for the charter wide review

12:26:11 [kaz]

s/let's move on with charter/Having this kind of event would be great, but we're not sure about the logistics or the content at all at the moment, so I'd suggest we move a head and talk about the WG Charter for today./

12:26:40 [kaz]

s/topic: Scripting API/subtopic: Scripting API/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:26:50 [McCool_]

proposed: After merging PR 113 at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/113 regarding the history table, begin the AC review process for the resulting proposed 2023 WG charter at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/wot-wg-2023-draft.html with the intention of establishing the next charter for the WoT WG.

12:26:55 [McCool_]

q?

12:27:14 [Ege]

mm: any objections?

12:27:22 [McCool_]

resolution: After merging PR 113 at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/pull/113 regarding the history table, begin the AC review process for the resulting proposed 2023 WG charter at https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/blob/main/wot-wg-2023-draft.html with the intention of establishing the next charter for the WoT WG.

12:27:31 [kaz]

i/There is a/subtopic: Binding Templates/

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:27:39 [Ege]

mm: no objections, we have resolution

12:27:44 [Ege]

mm: I will merge that PR

12:27:54 [kaz]

s/also we need to a/also a reminder that we need to a/

12:27:56 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:28:10 [McCool_]

https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/tree/wg-2023-ac-review

12:29:27 [Ege]

kaz: I have created an issue in strategy repository

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... we should just change the status

12:29:43 [Ege]

mm: let's have a look at it

12:29:53 [kaz]

https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375

12:31:15 [Ege]

kaz: I can change the status and start the wide review

12:31:31 [kaz]

s|https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375|-">https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375|-> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/375 Charter issue on the strategy repository|

12:32:36 [Ege]

mm: any questions about the process?

12:33:19 [kaz]

-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-charter-drafts/issues/114 related issue 114 on wot-charter-drafts repo

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i/114/(none)/

12:33:46 [Ege]

mm: we still have testimonials and societal impact questionnaire, we will discuss in testing

12:34:45 [Ege]

subtopic: Charter Details Document

12:35:01 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:35:08 [Ege]

q+

12:35:29 [kaz]

i|we want to merge|subtopic: Draft WG Charter|

12:35:31 [kaz]

rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

12:35:45 [kaz]

q+

12:35:48 [sebastian]

I have to go

12:35:53 [kaz]

ack e

12:36:40 [Ege]

mm: so we need to decide on what to do with the PRs and where to move the content

12:36:47 [Ege]

ek: what happens to this repository later on?

12:37:56 [Ege]

kaz: this repository is only for creating a charter draft. We should move issues and PRs to main wot repository or the TF repositories

12:37:59 [kaz]

q+

12:38:09 [Ege]

mm: some work items are about the entire wot

12:38:30 [Ege]

... also we need a planning directory in the main repo

12:38:43 [kaz]

ack k

12:39:45 [Ege]

q+

12:40:33 [kaz]

q+

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ack e

12:40:59 [Ege]

ek: Let's move issues and merge PRs that are easy to do. Then you have less work later on

12:41:20 [Ege]

q+

12:41:26 [Ege]

mm: let's not create new PRs

12:42:17 [kaz]

ack k

12:43:00 [Ege]

ek: you can archive as well

12:43:31 [kaz]

i/you can/kaz: We need to review the remaining PRs at some point. At least we need to make sure none of them would impact the WG Charter./

12:43:36 [Ege]

topic: Test Dev Meeting

12:43:40 [kaz]

i/We need/scribenick: kaz/

12:43:46 [kaz]

i/you can/scribenick: Ege/

12:44:09 [Ege]

q+

12:44:44 [Ege]

mm: we have 2 events remaining

12:44:59 [Ege]

... slides are mostly done, we need reviews

12:45:35 [kaz]

i|we have|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2023Apr/0002.html Slides info (Member-only)|

12:46:07 [kaz]

i|we have|-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Group/group-wot-ie/2023Apr/0001.html Slides info (For Invited Experts)|

12:46:32 [Ege]

mm: in discovery, we have too many at risk assertions. We need to get rid of them

12:46:47 [kaz]

s/remaining/remaining, one for Architecture and another for Discovery/

12:46:59 [Ege]

... otherwise too many for an event

12:47:10 [kaz]

q+

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ack e

12:49:53 [Ege]

ek: let's use arch call for arch event

12:50:38 [Ege]

... also please ask TF about which features they want, not necessarily implementation count

12:50:47 [Ege]

... also, let's clarify where to host the video

12:51:51 [Ege]

kaz: yes we should clarify whether the video should be public

12:52:03 [Ege]

... it is a wg event

12:53:13 [kaz]

mm: let's once go back to the time slot for the Architecture Dev Meeting

12:53:17 [Ege]

mm: so one issue is the Arch call and other is video sharing

12:53:24 [Ege]

mm: is it ok to use arch slot?

12:53:28 [Ege]

ml: yes I prefer that

12:53:30 [kaz]

i/let's/scribenick: kaz/

12:53:38 [kaz]

i/so one/scribenick: Ege/

12:54:50 [kaz]

s/yes we should clarify whether the video should be public/Yes, that's why I put how to deal with the recorded video for the first meeting for TD so that we can talk about that before jumping into the discussion on the 2nd and 3rd meetings./

12:55:00 [kaz]

q+

12:55:16 [Ege]

mm: let's talk about the JP meetings

12:55:32 [Ege]

kaz: those japanese versions should be held after the global meetings

12:55:41 [Ege]

... we should reuse the resources

12:57:06 [Ege]

mm: please attend the meetings

12:57:14 [Ege]

... videos are still useful

12:57:15 [Ege]

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12:57:29 [Ege]

... where can we put them?

12:58:00 [kaz]

s/it is a wg event/Note that the Testing effort is part of the WG activity, so all the participants are invited guests if they're not official participants./

12:59:22 [kaz]

q+

12:59:32 [McCool_]

proposal: The WoT WG will record videos of the Dev Meetings and publish them publically in an official W3C channel after group and W3C marcomm review.

13:00:14 [mlagally_]

q+

13:00:55 [dape]

q+ to there is https://www.youtube.com/@W3COfficial but there is also https://www.youtube.com/@w3c-webrtc

13:01:24 [McCool_]

proposal: The WoT WG will record presentations of the Dev Meetings material and publish them publically in an official W3C channel after group and W3C marcomm review.

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ack k

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kaz: @@@

13:03:13 [kaz]

s/@@@/If the whole WoT WG really would like to go for that direction proposed above, that's possible. However, if so, we should make sure the content of the video, the Dev Meeting itself and the documents for it are well-organized and useful enough as a tutorial./

13:03:24 [kaz]

ack e

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ack ml

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ack Danrancan

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ack dape

13:03:55 [Zakim]

dape, you wanted to there is https://www.youtube.com/@W3COfficial but there is also https://www.youtube.com/@w3c-webrtc

13:04:26 [kaz]

[adjourned]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/04/05-wot-minutes.html kaz

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