IRC log of aria on 2023-03-30
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/03/30-aria-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
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- meeting: ARIA WG
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- agendabot, find agenda
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- jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
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- agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a6fb79ca-0041-4654-8aae-70af8fee0b63/20230330T130000
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- clear agenda
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- agenda+ -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3G2wSD5
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- agenda+ -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3Znm21i
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- agenda+ -> F2F Planning https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AF2FCandidate
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- agenda+ -> Role parity: consider "native-" or "host-" role prefix for host language elements (including audio/video, but not limited to media) where custom ARIA implementations cannot (yet) match the native implementation's accessibility. https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/529
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- agenda?
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- present+
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- present+
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- present+
- 17:01:53 [Adam_Page]
- scribe: Adam_Page
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- present+ Daniel
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- present+
- 17:01:57 [scotto]
- present+
- 17:01:58 [Adam_Page]
- present+
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- 1.2 went to PR!
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- jamesn: 60-day window for survey reps to give feedback, please ping your reps and encourage positive feedback
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3G2wSD5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:03:46 [Adam_Page]
- spectranaut_: #464
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- ... already a PR I’ve added on in core-aam for computedrole
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- ... #168
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- ... there are two view options for the role information: list and table. Can we remove the table view?
- 17:05:19 [Adam_Page]
- ... who might use that?
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- jamesn: maybe implementers
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- spectranaut_: #53
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- pkra: I think this can be closed already
- 17:06:28 [Adam_Page]
- ... it’s an HTML-ARIA question and scotto already started a PR for it
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- spectranaut_: #1898
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- ... #1893
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- 17:07:45 [Adam_Page]
- ... similar issue with #1892
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- ... I just updated all non-normative statements for “MAY” — please everyone be careful not to use “may” in a non-normative statements, should use “might” or other language instead
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- jamesn: anyone know how to create a GitHub action to help enforce this?
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- jcraig: might be a ReSpec change?
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- present+
- 17:10:06 [Adam_Page]
- spectranaut_: but re: those two specific issues, they’re low-hanging fruit
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- arigilmore: I‘d like to help with those
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- Andrea: and I’ll look into the GitHub action issue
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3Znm21i -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:11:29 [Adam_Page]
- spectranaut_: #1900
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- ... added scotto and Adam_Page to review
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- spectranaut_: #1896
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- ... from annevk, there are already reviewers assigned
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- ... it’s an editorial change that lists expected values for attributes and also tries to add some distinction between the value of the value you can see in IDL and the value that it means internally
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- ... #1894
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- present+
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- -> F2F Planning https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AF2FCandidate -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:14:44 [Adam_Page]
- ... if there’s anything you’d like to discuss, please tag the issue in GitHub with “F2FCandidate”
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- jamesn: everyone who plans to attend in person, be sure to fill out the survey we sent out
- 17:15:36 [spectranaut_]
- survey for f2f: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2023ARIAf2f/
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 4 -- -> Role parity: consider "native-" or "host-" role prefix for host language elements (including audio/video, but not limited to media) where custom ARIA
- 17:18:13 [Zakim]
- ... implementations cannot (yet) match the native implementation's accessibility. https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/529 -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 17:18:26 [Adam_Page]
- spectranaut_: jcraig, can you catch us up?
- 17:18:50 [StefanS]
- present+
- 17:19:05 [Adam_Page]
- jcraig: this is tied to HTML-AAM
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- ... it’s also tied to an issue I filed yesterday against that spec
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- ... which is that we need computedrole mappings
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- ... e.g. <video>
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- ... either we prefix these with something reserved like “native” or “host”
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- ... or host language like “html-”
- 17:20:06 [Adam_Page]
- ... but the original reason for this was role parity for WPT testing
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- ... so if we can at least have Chromium, Gecko, and WebKit all agree on returned computed role for elements like video, audio, etc. that don’t already have parity
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- scotto: no strong opinions on what the native roles need to be, but agree that we need the consistency across platforms
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- jamesn: related issue html-aam #464
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- agenda?
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- jcraig: any WPT reviewers present?
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- spectranaut_: I am
- 17:23:14 [Adam_Page]
- jcraig: I need reviews to keep moving on this
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- spectranaut_: I can review
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- jcraig: hoping to get a bunch of tests in before F2F
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- jcraig: accname tests will be in their own top-level folder
- 17:25:30 [Adam_Page]
- ... but wasn’t sure how to break it down: rule order, many edge cases or one big monolithic?
- 17:25:44 [Adam_Page]
- ... I prefer smaller files that test one thing or a small group of related things
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- zakim, next item
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- I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Adam_Page
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- spectranaut_: any other topics?
- 17:26:24 [CurtBellew]
- present+
- 17:26:41 [Adam_Page]
- jcraig: I’m trying to prepare some slides for F2F to introduce WPT tests
- 17:26:56 [Adam_Page]
- ... maybe we could have time to set up people’s machines to write and run tests locally
- 17:27:14 [Adam_Page]
- ... I’ve been able to get it running in Webkit and should be able to get Chrome as well
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- ... the nice thing is you don’t need to run them *all* locally, just test one locally and then the pipeline will run the rest automatically
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- spectranaut_: sounds good
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- jamesn: please put a note in the F2F agenda issue in terms of timing, time needed, etc.
- 17:29:23 [Adam_Page]
- jcraig: will do
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- jamesn: that goes for everyone, to make sure we put topics at times that will be friendly for people in other time zones
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- spectranaut_: that’s a wrap
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- zakim, end meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been pkra, arigilmore, spectranaut_, Daniel, Andrea, scotto, Adam_Page, BenBeaudry, MarkMcCarthy, StefanS, CurtBellew
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/30-aria-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, Adam_Page; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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