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16:19:44 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
16:19:44 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
16:19:44 <jamesn> agendabot, find agenda
16:19:44 <agendabot> jamesn, OK. This may take a minute...
16:19:44 <agendabot> agenda: https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/a6fb79ca-0041-4654-8aae-70af8fee0b63/20230330T130000
16:19:44 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:19:44 <agendabot> agenda+  -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3G2wSD5
16:19:44 <agendabot> agenda+  -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3Znm21i
16:19:44 <agendabot> agenda+  -> F2F Planning https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AF2FCandidate
16:19:44 <agendabot> agenda+  -> Role parity: consider "native-" or "host-" role prefix for host language elements (including audio/video, but not limited to media) where custom ARIA implementations cannot (yet) match the native implementation's accessibility. https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/529
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16:57:23 <spectranaut_> agenda?
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17:01:53 <Adam_Page> scribe: Adam_Page
17:01:56 <dmontalvo-mac> present+ Daniel
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17:01:58 <Adam_Page> present+
17:02:15 <Adam_Page> 1.2 went to PR!
17:03:09 <Adam_Page> jamesn: 60-day window for survey reps to give feedback, please ping your reps and encourage positive feedback
17:03:14 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:03:14 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- -> New Issue Triage https://bit.ly/3G2wSD5 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:03:46 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: #464
17:04:04 <Adam_Page> ... already a PR I’ve added on in core-aam for computedrole
17:04:21 <Adam_Page> ... #168
17:05:10 <Adam_Page> ... there are two view options for the role information: list and table.  Can we remove the table view?
17:05:19 <Adam_Page> ... who might use that?
17:05:23 <Adam_Page> jamesn: maybe implementers
17:05:53 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: #53
17:06:09 <Adam_Page> pkra: I think this can be closed already
17:06:28 <Adam_Page> ... it’s an HTML-ARIA question and scotto already started a PR for it
17:06:52 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: #1898
17:07:20 <Adam_Page> ... #1893
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17:07:45 <Adam_Page> ... similar issue with #1892
17:08:37 <Adam_Page> ... I just updated all non-normative statements for “MAY” — please everyone be careful not to use “may” in a non-normative statements, should use “might” or other language instead
17:08:50 <Adam_Page> jamesn: anyone know how to create a GitHub action to help enforce this?
17:08:58 <Adam_Page> jcraig: might be a ReSpec change?
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17:10:06 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: but re: those two specific issues, they’re low-hanging fruit
17:10:25 <Adam_Page> arigilmore: I‘d like to help with those
17:10:48 <Adam_Page> Andrea: and I’ll look into the GitHub action issue
17:11:18 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:11:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- -> New PR Triage https://bit.ly/3Znm21i -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:11:29 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: #1900
17:12:02 <Adam_Page> ... added scotto and Adam_Page to review
17:12:24 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: #1896
17:12:36 <Adam_Page> ... from annevk, there are already reviewers assigned
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17:13:19 <Adam_Page> ... it’s an editorial change that lists expected values for attributes and also tries to add some distinction between the value of the value you can see in IDL and the value that it means internally
17:13:36 <Adam_Page> ... #1894
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17:13:49 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:13:49 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- -> F2F Planning https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3AF2FCandidate -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:14:44 <Adam_Page> ... if there’s anything you’d like to discuss, please tag the issue in GitHub with “F2FCandidate”
17:15:08 <Adam_Page> jamesn: everyone who plans to attend in person, be sure to fill out the survey we sent out
17:15:36 <spectranaut_> survey for f2f: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83726/2023ARIAf2f/
17:18:10 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:18:10 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- -> Role parity: consider "native-" or "host-" role prefix for host language elements (including audio/video, but not limited to media) where custom ARIA
17:18:13 <Zakim> ... implementations cannot (yet) match the native implementation's accessibility. https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/529 -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:18:26 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: jcraig, can you catch us up?
17:18:50 <StefanS> present+
17:19:05 <Adam_Page> jcraig: this is tied to HTML-AAM
17:19:10 <Adam_Page> ... it’s also tied to an issue I filed yesterday against that spec
17:19:17 <Adam_Page> ... which is that we need computedrole mappings
17:19:20 <Adam_Page> ... e.g. <video>
17:19:31 <Adam_Page> ... either we prefix these with something reserved like “native” or “host”
17:19:44 <Adam_Page> ... or host language like “html-”
17:20:06 <Adam_Page> ... but the original reason for this was role parity for WPT testing
17:20:33 <Adam_Page> ... so if we can at least have Chromium, Gecko, and WebKit all agree on returned computed role for elements like video, audio, etc. that don’t already have parity
17:21:09 <Adam_Page> scotto: no strong opinions on what the native roles need to be, but agree that we need the consistency across platforms
17:22:02 <Adam_Page> jamesn: related issue html-aam #464
17:22:22 <jamesn> agenda?
17:22:44 <Adam_Page> jcraig: any WPT reviewers present?
17:22:46 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: I am
17:23:14 <Adam_Page> jcraig: I need reviews to keep moving on this
17:23:31 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: I can review
17:23:55 <Adam_Page> jcraig: hoping to get a bunch of tests in before F2F
17:25:06 <Adam_Page> jcraig: accname tests will be in their own top-level folder
17:25:30 <Adam_Page> ... but wasn’t sure how to break it down: rule order, many edge cases or one big monolithic?
17:25:44 <Adam_Page> ... I prefer smaller files that test one thing or a small group of related things
17:25:55 <Adam_Page> zakim, next item
17:25:55 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, Adam_Page
17:26:11 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: any other topics?
17:26:24 <CurtBellew> present+
17:26:41 <Adam_Page> jcraig: I’m trying to prepare some slides for F2F to introduce WPT tests
17:26:56 <Adam_Page> ... maybe we could have time to set up people’s machines to write and run tests locally
17:27:14 <Adam_Page> ... I’ve been able to get it running in Webkit and should be able to get Chrome as well
17:27:52 <Adam_Page> ... the nice thing is you don’t need to run them *all* locally, just test one locally and then the pipeline will run the rest automatically
17:28:31 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: sounds good
17:28:51 <Adam_Page> jamesn: please put a note in the F2F agenda issue in terms of timing, time needed, etc.
17:29:23 <Adam_Page> jcraig: will do
17:30:05 <Adam_Page> jamesn: that goes for everyone, to make sure we put topics at times that will be friendly for people in other time zones
17:30:20 <Adam_Page> spectranaut_: that’s a wrap
17:30:28 <Adam_Page> zakim, end meeting
17:30:28 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been pkra, arigilmore, spectranaut_, Daniel, Andrea, scotto, Adam_Page, BenBeaudry, MarkMcCarthy, StefanS, CurtBellew
17:30:31 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:30:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/30-aria-minutes.html Zakim
17:30:39 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Adam_Page; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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