18:00:56 RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg 18:01:00 logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/03/28-aria-apg-irc 18:01:00 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:01:01 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Matt_King 18:01:29 MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force 18:01:36 present+ 18:01:50 CHAIR: Matt King 18:01:58 rrsagent, make minutes 18:02:00 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/28-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King 18:02:23 TOPIC: Agenda and Next Meeting 18:03:00 Agenda available at https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/March-28%2C-2023-Agenda 18:03:08 Next meeting: April 4 18:03:28 jugglinmike has joined #aria-apg 18:05:21 regrets+ Ari 18:05:28 regrets+ Jemma\ 18:06:18 present+ jugglinmike 18:06:21 scribe+ jugglinmike 18:07:07 Andrea has joined #aria-apg 18:07:09 Zakim, start the meeting 18:07:09 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:07:10 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jugglinmike 18:08:14 MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force Weekly Teleconference 18:08:40 Topic: Status of Site Updates 18:08:50 Subtopic: Review updates to first AT support table - pull request #2569 18:08:53 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2569 : Button Example: Add AT support tables from ARIA-AT 18:09:00 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2569 18:09:15 Matt_King: Victory! AT support tables for Button and Toggle Button are merged 18:09:35 Matt_King: Unfortunately, they aren't visible in the preview of the "main"branch 18:09:45 present+ Alex_Flenniken 18:09:54 present+ 18:10:08 Alex_Flenniken: The link that you shared with me is an outdated deployment 18:11:32 Alex_Flenniken: here's the link to the active deployment https://aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/patterns/button/examples/button/ 18:11:45 Matt_King: Ah, there it is. This is good news! 18:12:36 Matt_King: So our plan is that we will ask Shawn to do the publication to production on April 11 18:12:47 Matt_King: In the mean time, there's a lot that needs to go on to prepare for that launch 18:13:49 Matt_King: I'm having meetings with Apple and Vispero, preparing a blog post (hopefully getting a quote from Vispero and/or Apple), add support tables to the link, Alert, and Radio Button with Active Descendent example pages (I'll make a pull request for that soon) 18:14:34 Matt_King: Once we have all that lined up and receive a "Green light" from all of our stakeholders, we'll proceed with a **launch** on April 11 and and an **announcement** on April 13 18:15:48 CurtBellew has joined #aria-apg 18:16:36 Matt_King: I don't think we'll be deploying to production between then and now 18:16:49 Subtopic: About page ready for review - pull request 2558 18:17:05 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2558 18:17:18 Matt_King: Just before this meeting, I added a link to the Netlify preview 18:17:36 Matt_King: https://deploy-preview-207--aria-practices.netlify.app/aria/apg/about/ 18:18:46 Andrea: At first glance, this looks good, visually 18:19:14 Matt_King: Among other things, we want to make sure reflow works correctly and that color contrast is acceptable. 18:19:48 present+ 18:19:50 Matt_King: The one thing that's different here is that we didn't use a "card" view for the "About" page. That was intentional (because we're not going to come up with graphics for each section) 18:20:39 Alex_Flenniken: That's right, Isaac Durazo didn't create icons or other graphics for each of these 18:21:24 Matt_King: Yeah, that's fine. We don't want to have to commit to distinct graphics for each of these things. Maybe we can in the future, if we want to spice it up... 18:21:49 Matt_King: I wonder if we want to use some generic icons in the future--if that would help. But I don't know what our visual library is like 18:22:53 Matt_King: if that all looks good to you, Andrea, then if you can submit a "GitHub Review" in the GitHub interface, that would be great 18:27:55 (the group worked through a confusing part of the GitHub.com user interface for code review) 18:28:33 Topic: Pull request reviews 18:28:48 Subtopic: PR 2625 - Tablist Examples: Improve support for magnification by jongund 18:28:59 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2625 18:29:21 Matt_King: jongund isn't here today, but I'd like to assign some folks to review, if possible 18:29:34 Andrea: I can help out! 18:29:50 Andrea: I can do visual review and accessibility review 18:30:16 Matt_King: This is a really narrowly-scoped set of changes to CSS 18:30:33 Matt_King: I don't know if there's much of a code review to be done here 18:30:57 Alex_Flenniken: I can do the code review 18:31:25 (Matt_King updates the review checklist) 18:32:51 (Matt_King adds Andrea's account to the GitHub Team named "aria contributors" in order to authorize review) 18:32:54 MarkMcCarthy has joined #aria-apg 18:32:55 present+ 18:36:16 Matt_King: I think that's all we can do for pull requests without jongund present 18:36:27 Topic: Date picker date selection issue 18:36:56 Matt_King: I'd like jongund to be present for this discussion, so let's defer this agenda item for next week 18:37:05 Topic: New Issue Action Planning 18:38:33 Subtopic: Button example's sample buttons lack visual focus indication 18:38:39 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2650 18:38:56 Matt_King: This seems like a stunning find. Stunning in the sense that I can't believe we would have overlooked it 18:39:13 MarkMcCarthy: If I tab to the buttons, then I see nothing 18:39:35 Matt_King: How is that possible? We put "outline" to "none" and then did nothing...? 18:39:42 Matt_King: This seems like a pretty major oversight 18:40:32 Matt_King: I'm assuming we're overriding the default browser styling for focus 18:41:12 Alex_Flenniken: the issue seems to be happening between the APG and the WAI ARIA Practices repository 18:42:54 Matt_King: I expect there may be some styling in the template that is somewhat generic 18:45:10 Matt_King: I'll assign the issue to Carmen Cañas at Bocoup, then she can take of delegating this to someone at Bocoup 18:45:55 Matt_King: Looks like I can't do that right now. After this meeting, I will add Carmen's GitHub handle to the "aria contributors" GitHub Team and then assign this issue to her 18:46:00 It looks like there's no outline color set on those particular buttons. So I suspect outline color is inherited from somewhere else. 18:46:21 Subtopic: "HTML Source Code" for some examples is hard to visually parse 18:46:30 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2649 18:47:48 (MarkMcCarthy explains the problem) 18:48:03 Matt_King: I agree that certain tags should be rendered inline with the surrounding text 18:49:05 MarkMcCarthy: This behavior is consistent across Chrome and Firefox in Windows and also on Safari in macOS 18:51:24 MarkMcCarthy: I don't think this particularly egregious in many places. It's perhaps ironically most noticible in the simpler examples. But in any case, I think we can put this in the backlog. 18:51:49 Matt_King: It feels a little agressive to call this a bug. I'm going to label it as an "Enhancement" 18:52:31 Subtopic: "About This Example" text is not always aligned properly 18:52:40 github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/2648 18:53:43 Matt_King: Does this happen on every single example page? 18:54:31 MarkMcCarthy: No. It doesn't happen on Alert or Slider. It might just be the Button 18:55:16 MarkMcCarthy: It may depend on how much text precedes the list 18:55:46 Matt_King: It does have some of the smallest amount of text 18:56:27 Andrea: I see it, as well 18:56:45 present+ Howard_Edwards 18:56:56 Howard_Edwards: I see it, as well 18:58:29 Andrea: I'm seeing a negative value for a CSS margin which looks suspicious to me. 18:59:18 Alex_Flenniken: That margin comes from the template 18:59:32 MarkMcCarthy: But that doesn't appear to be the cause in and of itself 19:01:14 Howard_Edwards: It looks like the content above has been implicitly pushing down the list so that the bullets clear the graphic 19:02:19 jugglinmike: not so suggest a structural change for a presentational problem, but if we wrapped the icon and intro text in a block level element, it may make it even easier to flow everything correctly 19:02:28 s/so suggest/to suggest 19:07:59 Matt_King: This feels like kind of a minor issue. Its coded as "bug" and "site design" right now 19:08:33 MarkMcCarthy: This is a little distracting, but not a big deal. I think we can keep it in the backlog as "low priority" 19:08:39 Matt_King: Okay, then we'll do that 19:12:02 Zakim, end the meeting 19:12:02 As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, jugglinmike, Alex_Flenniken, Andrea, CurtBellew, MarkMcCarthy, Howard_Edwards 19:12:04 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 19:12:06 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/28-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim 19:12:12 I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye 19:12:12 Zakim has left #aria-apg 19:12:19 Thanks for the assist, MarkMcCarthy