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13:58:40 <Zakim> Meeting: Accessibility Conformance Testing Teleconference
13:59:02 <kathy> agenda+ ACT Standup
13:59:13 <kathy> agenda+ Better define how rules related to page states (30 min)
13:59:21 <kathy> agenda+ Meta refresh has no refresh delay (no exception)
13:59:31 <kathy> agenda+ Element with role has required states and properties
13:59:34 <Helen> present+
13:59:39 <kathy> agenda+ Link in context is descriptive
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14:00:33 <Wilco> agenda?
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14:01:15 <ToddL> present+
14:01:28 <ToddL> scribe: Todd
14:01:32 <ToddL> scribe: ToddL
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14:03:26 <kathy> present+
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14:05:13 <catherine> present+
14:06:30 <trevor> present+
14:06:32 <trevor> 0
14:06:32 <thbrunet> present+
14:06:35 <kathy> 0
14:06:44 <ToddL> 0 - no preference. Time here does not change in Arizona.
14:07:30 <Wilco> +1
14:08:09 <Wilco> RESOLUTION: Going forward ACT TF switches times with US summer / winter time instead of EU
14:08:21 <ToddL> Wilco: Using US summer/winter time for meeting times instead of EU time
14:08:50 <ToddL> zakim, take up next
14:08:50 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- ACT Standup -- taken up [from kathy]
14:09:25 <ToddL> Wilco: Everything is fine, but oops.
14:09:41 <ToddL> Wilco: movement on 4.1.1
14:10:06 <ToddL> catherine: worked on surveys and call for review
14:10:22 <ToddL> thbrunet: surveys, hoping to get to get to rest
14:11:33 <ToddL> Helen: surveys, not much other to report
14:12:17 <ToddL> kathy: more on the label in name issue. CSUN, met Daniel
14:12:52 <ToddL> trevor: got through rule reviews, surveys, edited site stuff, discuss w/JYM on rules
14:14:09 <ToddL> Wilco: potentially a new implementor coming on board
14:14:17 <ToddL> zakim, take up next
14:14:18 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Better define how rules related to page states (30 min) -- taken up [from kathy]
14:15:56 <ToddL> trevor: Discussion on Applicability of Stateful Rules https://github.com/act-rules/act-rules.github.io/issues/1953
14:42:12 <ToddL> zakim, take up next
14:42:12 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Meta refresh has no refresh delay (no exception) -- taken up [from kathy]
14:42:58 <ToddL> Wilco: Meta refresh, updated sheet slightly it now has issues column that links to open issues
14:42:58 <trevor> trevor: Introduces possible new section called preparatory steps. Has mutliple steps each with their own applicability and action
14:43:21 <trevor> tom: Concerns about how automatable it may be. Should be be using standard authoring practices as guideline for interaction schemes to test
14:44:10 <ToddL> thbrunet: test cases aren't generated correctly.
14:44:16 <trevor> wilco: Concern that using steps is too prescriptive, can we shift to past tense and have it as conditions
14:44:34 <trevor> trevor: Can do, still some concerns if there are multiple "states" or complex conditions
14:45:01 <trevor> wilco: We can also use specific events that we care about, once again relevant to the standard authoring practices
14:45:08 <trevor> trevor: will make those changes and bring back for next time
14:45:17 <ToddL> Wilco: will need to fix test cases not getting put into the template correctly
14:46:12 <ToddL> Wilco: Failed Example 1 refreshes blank page every 30 seconds
14:46:25 <ToddL> kathy: don't know what the failure is if it is just a blank page
14:46:40 <ToddL> +1
14:48:12 <ToddL> thbrunet: seems confusing
14:48:42 <ToddL> kathy: what would AT announce if there were content?
14:49:02 <ToddL> Helen: in favor of KISS
14:49:14 <ToddL> Wilco: no change then
14:50:07 <ToddL> Wilco: 2.2.1 Timing Adjustable not showing up correctly. Fix secondary requirements UI bug
14:51:56 <ToddL> Wilco: Do we like the test cases with the head element.
14:52:22 <ToddL> Helen: We want the head to stay and the element that is failing there as well.
14:52:51 <ToddL> Wilco: Do we need to change the code?
14:53:00 <ToddL> Wilco: Keeping examples as they are
14:53:40 <Wilco> Because a refresh with a timing of 0 is effectively a redirect, it is exempt from this rule. Since refreshing the same page with a time of 0 can cause rapid screen flashes it is strongly recommended to avoid this.
14:55:00 <ToddL> Wilco: two changes to be made and will be liason.
14:58:37 <ToddL> RRSAgent, make minutes
14:58:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/23-wcag-act-minutes.html ToddL