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11:54:24 <xfq_> Meeting: MiniApps WG & CG Joint Meeting
11:54:26 <xfq_> present+
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12:01:57 <xfq_> present+ Dan_Zhou
12:03:01 <xfq_> chair: Zitao_Wang
12:03:05 <xfq_> scribe: xfq_
12:04:03 <martin> Open PRs for UI components: https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-components/pulls
12:04:23 <xfq_> zitao: martin has sent PRs
12:04:30 <xfq_> ... any comments?
12:04:37 <xfq_> Topic: Components
12:04:48 <xfq_> dan: working on Addressing
12:05:02 <xfq_> ... haven't looked at components yet
12:05:34 <xfq_> zitao: components will be a note
12:06:02 <xfq_> ... next step is to talk with web components folks
12:06:50 <xfq_> dan: I will review this PR before next week
12:07:07 <xfq_> ... and will either approve or comment on them
12:07:16 <xfq_> s/this PR/these PRs
12:07:33 <xfq_> martin: if you see anything you want to change, just comment
12:07:38 <xfq_> ... I'll iterate
12:08:16 <xfq_> Topic: Addressing
12:08:25 <xfq_> present+ Jia_Wang
12:08:54 <xfq_> dan: when I update the Addressing explainer last year
12:08:58 <xfq_> ... I found some issues
12:09:23 <xfq_> ... @@ origin needs help
12:10:26 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-addressing/pull/13
12:11:15 <xfq_> [dan shares her screen]
12:11:29 <xfq_> dan: when the URI scheme is https, the origin is the part before the first slash
12:12:03 <xfq_> ... but the origin should be the whole URL, which includes the platform, miniapp name, and miniapp platform
12:12:09 <tomayac7> present+
12:12:28 <xfq_> ... there are differences between URL origin and miniapp origin
12:13:42 <xfq_> zitao: I think we can talk about it later to see how we can harmonize
12:13:56 <xfq_> ... thank you
12:14:25 <xfq_> Topic: Manifest and Packaging
12:14:32 <xfq_> martin: no activity on manifest
12:14:44 <xfq_> ... about Packaging
12:14:47 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/65
12:15:17 <xfq_> ... would like to address the comment from the privacy review
12:15:28 <xfq_> ... this is not related to the TAG review
12:15:35 <xfq_> ... but it is an issue we need to solve
12:16:01 <xfq_> ... to protect the user's privacy we should clear the data
12:16:43 <xfq_> ... it's referring to the Lifecycle spec
12:16:58 <xfq_> ... unless you have any objections, I would like to merge it
12:17:31 <xfq_> present+ QingAn
12:17:47 <xfq_> dan: +1
12:18:29 <xfq_> martin: when the Lifecycle spec is updated, I'll update the Packaging spec
12:18:47 <xfq_> QingAn: I've submitted a PR to the Lifecycle spec
12:19:05 <xfq_> ... please take a look
12:19:19 <martin> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-lifecycle/pull/37
12:22:09 <xfq_> Topic: TAG's comments on MiniApp specs
12:22:15 <xfq_> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/issues/195
12:22:53 <xfq_> zitao: I think people have reviewed this and understand the issue around origin model
12:23:09 <xfq_> ... martin, can you introduce your idea?
12:23:56 <xfq_> martin: most of my comments are related to the use cases
12:24:11 <xfq_> ... the first one is about the origin model
12:24:58 <xfq_> ... if the miniapp protocol is http/https we can preserve the origin model
12:25:17 <xfq_> ... user agents can implement this
12:25:37 <xfq_> ... in this case the problem is solved
12:25:54 <xfq_> qing: is the miniapp publisher the miniapp platform?
12:26:03 <xfq_> martin: it's where you find the miniapp on the web
12:26:18 <xfq_> ... a marketplace, or a web server
12:26:26 <xfq_> ... can be accessed using https
12:26:44 <xfq_> qing: I'm not sure if it can address TAG's concern
12:27:56 <xfq_> ... if the miniapp publisher is a marketplace, if a miniapp is developed by the marketplace, we can achieve this, but if the miniapp is developed by a third-party developer, I don't think we can achieve this
12:28:08 <xfq_> martin: in this case the origin will be the publisher
12:28:45 <xfq_> qing: I discussed this with zitao and dan
12:29:18 <xfq_> ... if the miniapp is not developed by the miniapp platform, we should also preserve the origin model
12:29:46 <xfq_> ... I think folks from Baidu has a proposal, but they're not ready to present this today
12:30:09 <xfq_> dan: I think the TAG asked us to use the http scheme, not the file scheme
12:30:43 <xfq_> ... first we need to make package use http(s)
12:30:48 <xfq_> s/package/packages
12:31:23 <xfq_> dan: my colleegue will talk about it next time
12:31:56 <xfq_> ... the second question is end-to-end cryptographically guaranteed scheme
12:32:21 <xfq_> ... we need to make the digital signature more secure
12:32:33 <xfq_> ... my colleegue will talk about this too next time
12:32:48 <xfq_> ... he knows more than me
12:33:57 <xfq_> martin: @@1
12:34:41 <xfq_> ... feel free to comment on the issue
12:35:44 <xfq_> ... another thing is a new member in the Manifest spec about Content Security Policy
12:36:38 <xfq_> zitao: I'm thinking about how the super app is initiating the miniapp
12:37:16 <xfq_> ... the miniapp developer develops the miniapp, publish it in the miniapp platform
12:37:47 <xfq_> ... if the miniapp publisher can directly uses the miniapp developer's URL, it could just work
12:38:06 <xfq_> ... we should think about whether it works
12:38:18 <xfq_> ... maybe it can help move forward
12:38:43 <xfq_> martin: if you want to comment on the issue, I think we can continue the discussion offline
12:38:58 <xfq_> ... if you want to organise a special meeting, I'm also OK with it
12:39:11 <xfq_> zitao: I think it is a really important issue and we need to address it
12:39:31 <xfq_> qing: for the thrid point ZIP, martin, do you think we should continue using ZIP?
12:39:53 <xfq_> martin: when we started working on the spec, the requrirement was to use ZIP
12:40:44 <xfq_> ... if there's strong objection on using ZIP then we could change it
12:41:33 <xfq_> ... I'd be happy to evolve the document based on your comments
12:42:02 <xfq_> qing: I think this comment is not a blocking issue comparing with the first and second one
12:42:41 <xfq_> ... but my suggestion is that if we can reuse the web bundles spec it can help resolve this issue
12:42:51 <xfq_> ... not sure if it's possible, but just an idea
12:43:07 <xfq_> zitao: most MiniApps use ZIP
12:43:26 <xfq_> ... Bilibili and Bytedance might have ways of streaming a miniapp
12:43:33 <xfq_> ... I'll talk with them
12:43:57 <xfq_> ... I agree with you than #1 and #2 are more important
12:44:00 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/pull/1 : fix: fix Mini Program to Quick App; ETC; Baidu Smart Mini Program
12:44:01 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp/pull/2 : Fixed typo
12:44:06 <xfq_> s/than/that
12:44:59 <xfq_> qing: we can have a separate meeting next week on the TAG feedback
12:45:28 <xfq_> ... since we're recharting the group, this could help reducing potential objections on rechartering the WG
12:47:12 <martin> xfq: Looking forward to this discussion to clarify the blocking issues.
12:47:32 <martin> Topic: TPAC
12:47:55 <martin> xfq: I wonder what is your plan for the TPAC.
12:48:05 <xfq_> scribe+ martin
12:48:14 <xfq_> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/1/GroupsTPAC2023/
12:48:15 <martin> ... will we meet in TPAC?
12:48:52 <xfq_> zitao: maybe we can discuss this on github
12:49:07 <martin> zitao: We need to think on this, it could be possible. I think we should be there.
12:49:21 <xfq_> martin: I'll be there, for sure
12:49:53 <xfq_> dan: for me it's a little bit difficult
12:50:29 <xfq_> martin: good food, good whether, nice people here in Spain!
12:51:09 <xfq_> martin: the event we organised in Spain was a really nice event
12:51:25 <xfq_> ... organised by the W3C Spanish Chapter
12:51:42 <xfq_> ... the local authorities were there
12:52:00 <xfq_> ... many people were interested in W3C technologies
12:52:09 <xfq_> ... tom presented pwa and fugu
12:52:20 <xfq_> ... qing presented MiniApps for IoT
12:52:56 <xfq_> ... three different orgs asked me to repeat the event in Spain
12:53:11 <xfq_> ... it was really good
12:53:31 <xfq_> zitao: if you have videos or other resources please share it with the group
12:53:37 <xfq_> martin: I'll create a report
12:53:44 <xfq_> ... and a 4-minute video
12:53:56 <martin> So far this is the video posted by W3C Spain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPJoyJ-_l9Y
12:55:39 <xfq_> next meeting, April 27
12:55:42 <martin> +1 27
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