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14:00:17 <Paul_B__> zakim, start meeting
14:00:18 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:00:19 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Paul_B__
14:00:21 <JF> zakim, what meeting is this?
14:00:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, JF.
14:00:28 <Paul_B__> Meeting: Publishing Community Group, Education Task Force Telecon
14:00:52 <Paul_B__> Date: 22 March 2023
14:00:56 <Paul_B__> Chair: Paul Belfanti
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14:06:39 <Paul_B__> scribenick: Paul_B
14:08:22 <Paul_B__> Demo of Wysebee eReader capabilities re interactives
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14:08:43 <Paul_B__> Showing games, they pass EPUBcheck
14:09:01 <Paul_B__> within Wysebee
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14:10:00 <Paul_B__> Smart games for children - rendered as EPUB
14:10:01 <sue_neu> present+
14:11:14 <Paul_B__> Animations: created by kids, packaged as EPUB
14:11:27 <Paul_B__> EPUB used as distribution format
14:12:06 <Paul_B__> Animations created on Canvas
14:13:04 <sue_neu> q+
14:13:54 <Paul_B__> Animations include audio
14:14:13 <Paul_B__> https://www.wysebee.com/dashboard/animation
14:15:24 <Paul_B__> using EPUB format as packaging/distribution format, animations and other interactives can be supported
14:16:06 <Paul_B__> Accessed via browser on Wysebee website
14:17:14 <Paul_B__> Laurent: Is it possible to denote the EPUBs from github?
14:17:42 <Paul_B__> Jeff: yes, if made public
14:18:12 <CharlesL> q+
14:19:04 <Paul_B__> EPUBcheck pass is good, but doesn't cover everything
14:19:41 <Paul_B__> EPUB reading systems follow privacy/security policy introduced in the spec, so can't run javascript
14:20:11 <Paul_B__> External resources are difficult to support on reading systems
14:21:31 <Paul_B__> Trying to set options for eReader navigation to be able to click to launch animation without triggering page advance
14:22:23 <Paul_B__> Can create multi-page EPUB for multiple animations
14:23:10 <Paul_B__> online eReaders (browser-based) already support javascript
14:23:28 <Paul_B__> Tapping, swiping navigation is the issue
14:24:07 <Paul_B__> Maybe frames with margins where user can tap without triggering unwanted navigation is a solution
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14:25:49 <Paul_B__> Wysebee eReader always expands Canvas to full screen
14:26:05 <CharlesL> q?
14:26:24 <zheng_xu> ack sue_neu
14:26:31 <Paul_B__> ack sue-neu
14:27:32 <Paul_B__> Sue-neu: who is the intended audience?
14:28:00 <Paul_B__> Jeff: TBD
14:28:04 <Paul_B__> ack CharlesL
14:28:23 <Paul_B__> Charles: assume that animations would have to made accessible
14:28:45 <zheng_xu> q?
14:28:54 <Paul_B__> eReader will support accessibility
14:29:05 <gautier> q+
14:29:21 <gautier> q-
14:30:32 <Paul_B__> Wysebee reader supports EPUB as packaging/distribution format for interactives. Will pass EPUBCheck
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14:30:55 <Paul_B__> Won't break CRM
14:31:31 <CharlesL> q+
14:32:06 <Paul_B__> What did you need to do specifically in your reading system to support this content?
14:33:12 <Paul_B__> Jeff: didn't focus on navigation, other features, focus was on supporting interactives
14:34:14 <Paul_B__> For other eReaders will require standards/collaboration between content creators and eReader developer
14:35:22 <Bill_Kasdorf_> present+
14:35:40 <Paul_B__> For mobile, need to use browser view, leave space to navigate back to the app
14:36:06 <laurent_> q+
14:36:11 <sue_neu> q+
14:36:19 <zheng_xu> q?
14:36:24 <zheng_xu> ack CharlesL
14:36:35 <gautier> q+
14:36:47 <zheng_xu> q?
14:36:58 <Paul_B__> ack CharlesL
14:37:13 <Paul_B__> ack laurent
14:38:21 <Paul_B__> Laurent: Thorium demo
14:40:27 <zheng_xu> q?
14:40:41 <Paul_B__> left hand illustration is animated, right text has interactive elements
14:41:36 <Paul_B__> most cases are fixed layout books, makes it easier to support interactive elements
14:42:59 <JF> Q+
14:43:05 <zheng_xu> q?
14:43:05 <sue_neu> q-
14:43:07 <gautier> q-
14:43:14 <zheng_xu> q?
14:43:22 <Paul_B__> Working to support external content
14:44:41 <Paul_B__> Every modern reading system contains a browser
14:45:12 <Paul_B__> Requires packaging systems for audiobooks, interactives
14:45:26 <sue_neu> q+
14:45:52 <Paul_B__> Want to create a package that can function offline, link to external content like audio/video that is too large to embed in EPUB
14:45:59 <zheng_xu> q?
14:46:05 <zheng_xu> ack JF
14:46:27 <Paul_B__> Also forms to send i.e., results of quizzes, etc.
14:47:20 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
14:47:29 <CharlesL> q+
14:47:30 <zheng_xu> q?
14:47:37 <Paul_B__> looking at event based interactions both within the eReader vs linking to esternal server
14:47:40 <zheng_xu> ack sue_neu
14:47:42 <zheng_xu> q?
14:47:47 <Paul_B__> ack sue-neu
14:48:18 <Paul_B__> Larent has invited the Brazil based group he is working with to present to this group
14:48:31 <wolfgang> s/Larent/Laurent/
14:48:57 <zheng_xu> q+
14:49:27 <zheng_xu> q?
14:49:32 <zheng_xu> ack Bill_Kasdorf_
14:49:35 <Paul_B__> What about data?
14:49:42 <Paul_B__> Looking at everything
14:50:29 <CharlesL> q-
14:50:37 <zheng_xu> q?
14:52:23 <Paul_B__> Work that Brazil group is doing is candidate to be incubated in the PCG
14:52:23 <Paul_B__> 30 million students
14:52:23 <zheng_xu> q?
14:52:23 <zheng_xu> ack zheng_xu
14:52:23 <wolfgang> @Laurent: nice idea to bring in this use case!
14:53:01 <zheng_xu> q?
14:53:07 <gautier> q+
14:53:13 <zheng_xu> q?
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14:54:46 <Paul_B__> Charlesl: demo of DIAGRAM content in Thorium
14:54:53 <zheng_xu> q?
14:55:03 <Paul_B__> Adding interactive to ebook via iframe
14:55:20 <Paul_B__> ack gautier
14:56:22 <zheng_xu> q+
14:56:35 <Paul_B__> gautier: interactive content creation requires advanced skills - beyond MSWord, etc.
14:56:54 <zheng_xu> q?
14:56:56 <Paul_B__> ack Bill_Kasdorf
14:57:56 <zheng_xu> ack zheng_xu
14:58:16 <Paul_B__> Need to make distinction between incubation and demonstration - capabilities may already exist on the web
14:59:06 <Paul_B__> Wysebee provides a packaging app to create EPUB opf, etc.
15:00:28 <zheng_xu> q?
15:02:24 <Paul_B__> Next steps: report on these demos to PCG, determine if documentation, specification added to EPUB standard, etc. is needed
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15:03:01 <Paul_B__> Also, keep abreast of further developments on these reader platforms - exciting things are happening
15:03:18 <Paul_B__> rrsagent, make logs public
15:03:28 <Paul_B__> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:03:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-pcg-ed-minutes.html Paul_B__
15:03:40 <Paul_B__> zakim, end meeting
15:03:40 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been JF, zheng_xu, wolfgang, Bill_Kasdorf, CharlesL, gautier, sue_neu, Bill_Kasdorf_
15:03:43 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:03:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-pcg-ed-minutes.html Zakim
15:03:50 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Paul_B__; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:04:08 <Paul_B__> rrsagent, end meeting
15:04:08 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', Paul_B__.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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