IRC log of pcg-ed on 2023-03-22

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logging to https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-pcg-ed-irc
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present+
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present*
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present+
14:00:12 [wolfgang]
present+ wolfgang
14:00:17 [Paul_B__]
zakim, start meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs Public
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please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Paul_B__
14:00:21 [JF]
zakim, what meeting is this?
14:00:21 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, JF.
14:00:28 [Paul_B__]
Meeting: Publishing Community Group, Education Task Force Telecon
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Date: 22 March 2023
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Chair: Paul Belfanti
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present+
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present+
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present+
14:06:39 [Paul_B__]
scribenick: Paul_B
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Demo of Wysebee eReader capabilities re interactives
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Showing games, they pass EPUBcheck
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within Wysebee
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Smart games for children - rendered as EPUB
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present+
14:11:14 [Paul_B__]
Animations: created by kids, packaged as EPUB
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EPUB used as distribution format
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Animations created on Canvas
14:13:04 [sue_neu]
q+
14:13:54 [Paul_B__]
Animations include audio
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https://www.wysebee.com/dashboard/animation
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using EPUB format as packaging/distribution format, animations and other interactives can be supported
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Accessed via browser on Wysebee website
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Laurent: Is it possible to denote the EPUBs from github?
14:17:42 [Paul_B__]
Jeff: yes, if made public
14:18:12 [CharlesL]
q+
14:19:04 [Paul_B__]
EPUBcheck pass is good, but doesn't cover everything
14:19:41 [Paul_B__]
EPUB reading systems follow privacy/security policy introduced in the spec, so can't run javascript
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External resources are difficult to support on reading systems
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Trying to set options for eReader navigation to be able to click to launch animation without triggering page advance
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Can create multi-page EPUB for multiple animations
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online eReaders (browser-based) already support javascript
14:23:28 [Paul_B__]
Tapping, swiping navigation is the issue
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Maybe frames with margins where user can tap without triggering unwanted navigation is a solution
14:24:45 [Bill_Kasdorf_]
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Wysebee eReader always expands Canvas to full screen
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q?
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ack sue_neu
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ack sue-neu
14:27:32 [Paul_B__]
Sue-neu: who is the intended audience?
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Jeff: TBD
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ack CharlesL
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Charles: assume that animations would have to made accessible
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q?
14:28:54 [Paul_B__]
eReader will support accessibility
14:29:05 [gautier]
q+
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q-
14:30:32 [Paul_B__]
Wysebee reader supports EPUB as packaging/distribution format for interactives. Will pass EPUBCheck
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Won't break CRM
14:31:31 [CharlesL]
q+
14:32:06 [Paul_B__]
What did you need to do specifically in your reading system to support this content?
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Jeff: didn't focus on navigation, other features, focus was on supporting interactives
14:34:14 [Paul_B__]
For other eReaders will require standards/collaboration between content creators and eReader developer
14:35:22 [Bill_Kasdorf_]
present+
14:35:40 [Paul_B__]
For mobile, need to use browser view, leave space to navigate back to the app
14:36:06 [laurent_]
q+
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q+
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q?
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ack CharlesL
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q+
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q?
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ack CharlesL
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ack laurent
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Laurent: Thorium demo
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q?
14:40:41 [Paul_B__]
left hand illustration is animated, right text has interactive elements
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most cases are fixed layout books, makes it easier to support interactive elements
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Q+
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q?
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q-
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q-
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q?
14:43:22 [Paul_B__]
Working to support external content
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Every modern reading system contains a browser
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Requires packaging systems for audiobooks, interactives
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q+
14:45:52 [Paul_B__]
Want to create a package that can function offline, link to external content like audio/video that is too large to embed in EPUB
14:45:59 [zheng_xu]
q?
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ack JF
14:46:27 [Paul_B__]
Also forms to send i.e., results of quizzes, etc.
14:47:20 [Bill_Kasdorf_]
q+
14:47:29 [CharlesL]
q+
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q?
14:47:37 [Paul_B__]
looking at event based interactions both within the eReader vs linking to esternal server
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ack sue_neu
14:47:42 [zheng_xu]
q?
14:47:47 [Paul_B__]
ack sue-neu
14:48:18 [Paul_B__]
Larent has invited the Brazil based group he is working with to present to this group
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s/Larent/Laurent/
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q+
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q?
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ack Bill_Kasdorf_
14:49:35 [Paul_B__]
What about data?
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Looking at everything
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q-
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q?
14:52:23 [Paul_B__]
Work that Brazil group is doing is candidate to be incubated in the PCG
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30 million students
14:52:23 [zheng_xu]
q?
14:52:23 [zheng_xu]
ack zheng_xu
14:52:23 [wolfgang]
@Laurent: nice idea to bring in this use case!
14:53:01 [zheng_xu]
q?
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q+
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q?
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q+
14:54:46 [Paul_B__]
Charlesl: demo of DIAGRAM content in Thorium
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q?
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Adding interactive to ebook via iframe
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ack gautier
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q+
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gautier: interactive content creation requires advanced skills - beyond MSWord, etc.
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q?
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ack Bill_Kasdorf
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ack zheng_xu
14:58:16 [Paul_B__]
Need to make distinction between incubation and demonstration - capabilities may already exist on the web
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Wysebee provides a packaging app to create EPUB opf, etc.
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q?
15:02:24 [Paul_B__]
Next steps: report on these demos to PCG, determine if documentation, specification added to EPUB standard, etc. is needed
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15:03:01 [Paul_B__]
Also, keep abreast of further developments on these reader platforms - exciting things are happening
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rrsagent, make logs public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-pcg-ed-minutes.html Paul_B__
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zakim, end meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been JF, zheng_xu, wolfgang, Bill_Kasdorf, CharlesL, gautier, sue_neu, Bill_Kasdorf_
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/22-pcg-ed-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, Paul_B__; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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rrsagent, end meeting
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'end meeting', Paul_B__. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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RRSAgent excused
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quit
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