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18:01:12 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:01:18 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
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18:02:42 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Agenda
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18:02:51 <Matt_King> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/March-21%2C-2023-Agenda
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18:07:30 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Three topic areas today, any others?
18:07:36 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Hearing nothing.
18:07:47 <jugglinmike> present+ Andrea_
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18:08:15 <arigilmore> zakim, who's here?
18:08:15 <Zakim> Present: Matt_King, arigilmore, jugglinmike, Andrea_, jongund, MarkMcCarthy
18:08:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkMcCarthy, Andrea_, jongund, jugglinmike, RRSAgent, arigilmore, Zakim, Matt_King, Mike5Matrix, Github, github-bot, jamesn, ZoeBijl, trackbot
18:09:53 <jugglinmike> present+ AlexFlenniken
18:12:42 <jugglinmike> (introductions)
18:13:21 <jugglinmike> Topic: Status of Site Updates
18:13:38 <jugglinmike> Subtopic: Review updates to first AT support table - pull request #2569
18:13:39 <Github> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2569 : Button Example: Add AT support tables from ARIA-AT
18:13:53 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2569
18:15:40 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: the last thing I changed was about a week ago--changing the default height
18:16:15 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I shared some feedback--was that addressed?
18:16:31 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: Yes, I've addressed that
18:16:38 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Then this is ready for everybody to look at
18:17:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It looks like Howard_Edwards (not present) and myself are assigned as reviewers. I would like to have some other members of the task force looking at this
18:18:58 <jugglinmike> jongund: I can take a look at it
18:19:38 <jugglinmike> MarkMcCarthy: You can add me, too
18:21:34 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: The long-term plan is that there will only be one example per page. We have a backlog item to address the patterns which have more than one example per page (e.g. button)
18:22:03 <jugglinmike> jongund: Do you want me to work on separating the button examples into separate pages?
18:22:27 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Thank you, but not right now. I think that at the current time, doing so would create too much churn
18:24:46 <jugglinmike> Topic: Pull Requests
18:25:14 <jugglinmike> Subtopic: Listbox Examples: Update scrolling of listbox item with focus into view when page is magnified
18:25:24 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2622
18:25:40 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: A question came up on this one this week
18:26:38 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It was from Aleena
18:26:46 <jugglinmike> jongund: I didn't understand it, though
18:26:57 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: I also didn't understand it
18:27:42 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It sounds as though it may be beyond the scope of this pull request
18:34:17 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: arigilmore's feedback may be in-scope. We have to determine if VoiceOver's behavior is incorrect. In that case, the example code is fine, and the unexpected behavior is exactly the kind of thing we're trying to find
18:35:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We don't typically test VoiceOver with Firefox
18:35:24 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: It was listed in the wiki, though I was surprised to find it there
18:35:38 <jugglinmike> MarkMcCarthy: I think there was a reason for this; I can check with Jemma
18:37:08 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: Narrator - Firefox -> unable to select items from all list example pages
18:37:30 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: So this is when "scan mode" is off and you arrow in the list?
18:37:49 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: Yeah, it tells me something like "no items found." I forget the exact terminology it uses
18:37:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That almost sounds like a Narrator bug
18:38:14 <jugglinmike> MarkMcCarthy: It sounds that way to me, too.
18:41:29 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: VO - safari/chrome iPhone -> can’t select items in example 1 in unimportant features and in example 2 can only select first item in upgrades you have chosen
18:41:53 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: In the first one, I could only navigate to the first item in the second column
18:42:11 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: With VoiceOver, I could only select the first "unimportant" feature, but I couldn't select the one below it
18:42:26 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: So if you had three in that list, you wouldn't be able to move the second one from "unimportant" to "important"?
18:42:27 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: Right
18:42:38 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: But you can do it if VoiceOver is not running?
18:42:43 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: That's right
18:43:25 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: So if it can be done when VoiceOver is not running, then it's obviously not a compatibility with mobile. I don't understand what that would be. I guess it's related to aria-activedescendents, somehow
18:43:41 <jugglinmike> arigilmore: VO/Talkback - safari/chrome iPhone, android -> not announced that you are in a group “water”:
18:43:47 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: That's clearly a screen reader bug
18:44:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: So I think we're "safe" with all of these, arigilmore
18:44:13 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm the only reviewer left on this one
18:47:28 <jugglinmike> Subtopic: Combobox Date Picker Example: Change previous and next month and year behavior for dates near end of month
18:47:38 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2618
18:48:16 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: AlexFlenniken left some review comments
18:48:24 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Did you address those, jongund?
18:48:37 <jugglinmike> jongund: Yup. I adjusted the stylesheet to override the default styles
18:48:46 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: I'm re-requesting review from you, AlexFlenniken
18:48:59 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It's also awaiting review from Siri and me
18:49:04 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: We should probably ping Siri
18:51:31 <jugglinmike> subtopic: About Page: Convert to an About section overview that links to several new pages within the about APG section
18:51:39 <jugglinmike> github: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/2558
18:51:57 <jugglinmike> MarkMcCarthy: AlexFlenniken, you had feedback for me, and I addressed that just today
18:52:17 <jugglinmike> s/MarkMcCarthy/Matt_King/
18:52:47 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: the current status is that Aleena is trying to determine whether changes to the WAI template are necessary
18:53:24 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: Apologies, I'm thinking about a different pull request. You can forget my prior comment.
18:54:36 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: Here is a supporting pull request in wai-aria-practices https://github.com/w3c/wai-aria-practices/pull/207
18:55:00 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Can you edit the top comment in 2558 to add that link?
18:55:05 <jugglinmike> AlexFlenniken: Definitely
18:55:35 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: After we get that preview, I'm going to change this pull request to not be a draft and then ask people to review it
18:55:52 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: There's a fair amount of new content in this. We took a look at the introduction the week before last.
18:56:29 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Most of the content is just an exact copy of what's currently on the "About" page. The two parts that are new are the introduction and the section titled "ARIA Basics"
18:56:56 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: It's waiting for review from Jemma and jongund
18:57:36 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: Anybody else want to be assigned?
18:57:44 <jugglinmike> Zakim, who's here?
18:57:44 <Zakim> Present: Matt_King, arigilmore, jugglinmike, Andrea_, jongund, MarkMcCarthy, AlexFlenniken
18:57:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see MarkMcCarthy, Andrea_, jongund, jugglinmike, RRSAgent, arigilmore, Zakim, Matt_King, Mike5Matrix, Github, github-bot, jamesn, ZoeBijl, trackbot
18:57:58 <jugglinmike> Andrea_: I can review
18:58:44 <jugglinmike> MarkMcCarthy: Michael Cooper will have to grant you permissions to act as a reviewer
18:58:58 <jugglinmike> Matt_King: You have to be in the "ARIA contributors" team in the W3C
19:00:28 <jugglinmike> Zakim: end the meeting
19:00:43 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
19:00:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/21-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
19:00:51 <jugglinmike> Zakim, end the meeting
19:00:51 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Matt_King, arigilmore, jugglinmike, Andrea_, jongund, MarkMcCarthy, AlexFlenniken
19:00:51 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
19:00:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2023/03/21-aria-apg-minutes.html Zakim
19:00:57 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, jugglinmike; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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19:01:18 <RRSAgent> I see no action items