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16:01:46 <zheng_xu> zakim, start meeting
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16:01:48 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Community Group
16:02:18 <JF> agenda?
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16:02:21 <jamesy> present+
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16:03:54 <zheng_xu> Agenda
16:03:54 <zheng_xu> Update of A11Y TF Update of Ed TF: “Immersive Content in Scholarly Publishing” [Issue #56] (https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/56) Present the current state of our discussion and try to define basic parameters for further investigation Update of Anti-Counterfeit TF AOB
16:03:57 <zheng_xu> scribenick: zheng_xu
16:03:57 <sue-neu> present+
16:04:10 <zheng_xu> AvneeshSingh: working on user experience guide
16:04:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> Bill_Kasdorf has joined #publishingcg
16:04:35 <zheng_xu> ... grouping accessibility metadata into different categories.
16:04:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> present+
16:04:41 <gautier> present+
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16:05:20 <zheng_xu> ... we will provide some example
16:05:32 <zheng_xu> ... of metadata too
16:06:14 <zheng_xu> ... We are also working on none-visual metadata items. And welcome any comments and feedback
16:07:33 <JF> Q+ to comment on where the accessibility statement should live
16:07:39 <zheng_xu> q?
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16:08:10 <liisamk> present+
16:08:29 <zheng_xu> JF: Where should the a11y conformance statement stay?
16:08:56 <jeffrey_griggs> present+
16:10:04 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:10:11 <zheng_xu> q?
16:10:11 <JF> ack me
16:10:12 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to comment on where the accessibility statement should live
16:10:25 <zheng_xu> AvneeshSingh: we will take it to next a11y call
16:10:34 <wolfgang> ack Bill
16:10:43 <wolfgang> q?
16:10:57 <zheng_xu> q?
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16:11:47 <zheng_xu> q?
16:12:21 <zheng_xu> wolfgang: next item, EDTF update
16:12:37 <zheng_xu> Update of Ed TF: “Immersive Content in Scholarly Publishing” [Issue #56] (https://github.com/w3c/publishingcg/issues/56) Present the current state of our discussion and try to define basic parameters for further investigation
16:13:18 <wolfgang> q?
16:13:51 <sue-neu> q+
16:14:56 <zheng_xu> sue-neu: From librarian there is worry about if the way that students present their thesis could be reusable for other librarian
16:15:23 <wolfgang> q?
16:15:42 <zheng_xu> ... how to present thesis in an interactive way is the use case
16:15:53 <zheng_xu> q?
16:16:37 <zheng_xu> q+
16:16:40 <zheng_xu> q?
16:16:48 <sue-neu> q-
16:16:56 <zheng_xu> ack me
16:17:41 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:17:41 <wolfgang> q?
16:19:57 <Paul_B> q+
16:20:11 <zheng_xu> q?
16:20:24 <zheng_xu> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:20:27 <zheng_xu> q?
16:20:55 <zheng_xu> Bill_Kasdorf: it's probably not only the digital publishing issue. Might need some technology to incubate
16:21:11 <sue-neu> q+
16:21:12 <zheng_xu> q+
16:21:24 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/digital publishing/EPUB/
16:21:27 <wolfgang> ack Paul_B
16:21:33 <zheng_xu> ack Paul_B
16:21:47 <Bill_Kasdorf> s/might need/might not need/
16:21:54 <zheng_xu> Paul_B: is there any lack of support of ereader and mostly spec stuff
16:21:58 <zheng_xu> q?
16:22:12 <liisamk> q+
16:22:19 <zheng_xu> Paul_B: is there any limitation on epub for interactiev content
16:22:23 <zheng_xu> q?
16:22:27 <zheng_xu> ack sue-neu
16:23:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> +1 to Sue's suggestion
16:23:14 <zheng_xu> sue-neu: there are some companies providing interactive content now
16:23:23 <wolfgang> ack zheng_xu
16:24:05 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:24:38 <zheng_xu> q?
16:24:55 <wolfgang> ack liisamk
16:25:42 <zheng_xu> liisamk: maybe some best practice about how to poining to resources outside from package
16:26:00 <wolfgang> s/poining/pointing/
16:26:01 <zheng_xu> ... related to external links and 3D model data hosted online
16:26:13 <sue-neu> q+
16:26:14 <wolfgang> q+
16:26:16 <zheng_xu> q?
16:26:22 <zheng_xu> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:26:27 <zheng_xu> q?
16:27:01 <gautier> q+
16:27:08 <zheng_xu> Bill_Kasdorf: most of high education platforms can provide interactivity contents
16:27:12 <zheng_xu> q?
16:27:15 <Paul_B> q+
16:27:18 <zheng_xu> q?
16:27:33 <zheng_xu> ack sue-neu
16:28:48 <zheng_xu> sue-neu: an interactive publication vs interactive web app? How do we distinct
16:28:53 <zheng_xu> q?
16:29:47 <zheng_xu> wolfgang: the publication manifest might be useful for interactive content providers?
16:30:36 <zheng_xu> q?
16:30:44 <zheng_xu> q?
16:30:44 <zheng_xu> ack wolfgang
16:30:44 <Paul_B> q_
16:30:55 <Paul_B> q-
16:30:55 <zheng_xu> ack qautier
16:30:57 <zheng_xu> q?
16:31:03 <zheng_xu> ack gautier
16:31:18 <wolfgang> q?
16:31:40 <zheng_xu> gautier: from reading system point of view we have seen each education system is using online platforms
16:32:19 <zheng_xu> q+
16:32:47 <zheng_xu> gautier: we would love to help publishers
16:33:04 <zheng_xu> ... we don't see big publishers providing interactive contents
16:33:11 <zheng_xu> q?
16:33:15 <liisamk> q+
16:34:09 <zheng_xu> ... I have seen some use cases but we need economically useful use cases
16:34:13 <zheng_xu> q?
16:34:16 <zheng_xu> ack me
16:38:12 <wolfgang> q?
16:39:04 <zheng_xu> q?
16:39:07 <zheng_xu> ack liisamk
16:39:09 <zheng_xu> q?
16:39:52 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:40:09 <zheng_xu> liisamk: I have quite a lot interactive contents that I don't know where to put them
16:40:12 <zheng_xu> q?
16:40:18 <zheng_xu> q+
16:40:24 <zheng_xu> q?
16:40:35 <zheng_xu> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:40:38 <zheng_xu> q?
16:41:28 <zheng_xu> ack me
16:43:57 <gautier> q+
16:45:03 <zheng_xu> q?
16:45:36 <zheng_xu> gautier: I would like to help to get out from this situation.
16:46:03 <zheng_xu> ... we can talk later with publisher to see if could get it started
16:46:36 <Bill_Kasdorf> The incubation in Thorium that Gautier is suggesting would be an ideal next step for the CG
16:47:32 <zheng_xu> ... I very like to help incubating interactive contents.
16:47:50 <Bill_Kasdorf> Looking at how some of the existing platforms (higher ed, scholarly) do this would maybe be a first step.
16:47:56 <zheng_xu> q?
16:48:00 <zheng_xu> ack gautier
16:48:02 <zheng_xu> q?
16:49:12 <zheng_xu> q+
16:49:14 <zheng_xu> q?
16:49:35 <zheng_xu> ack me
16:50:46 <Paul_B> +1 on seing Zheng's demo
16:50:54 <zheng_xu> wolfgang: next, Update of Anti-Counterfeit TF
16:51:21 <zheng_xu> q?
16:51:21 <sue-neu> bill+1 on Zheng's demo
16:51:21 <gautier> +1 on seing Zheng's demo
16:51:27 <sue-neu> +1 Gautier's incubator idea
16:51:56 <zheng_xu> liisamk: we have been exploring two different ways for anti-counterfeiting
16:52:13 <wolfgang> +1 on Zheng's demo, but also on exploring Gautier's ideas for incubation
16:52:51 <zheng_xu> ... now we are getting to the point of how to get them implemented
16:53:10 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:53:14 <zheng_xu> q?
16:53:46 <zheng_xu> ... we are continuing to work through. Hope can pick up one of proposal in next meeting and see some demo.
16:54:39 <zheng_xu> Bill_Kasdorf: have you looked at project origin (Hope I got the name correctly)?
16:54:51 <zheng_xu> ... it has some implementation for C2PA
16:55:11 <sue-neu> q+
16:55:15 <zheng_xu> q?
16:55:18 <zheng_xu> ack Bill_Kasdorf
16:55:20 <zheng_xu> q?
16:55:35 <Paul_B> apologies, I have to drop
16:56:43 <Bill_Kasdorf> Project Origin: https://www.originproject.info/
16:56:56 <zheng_xu> sue-neu: how about use ISBN?
16:57:21 <zheng_xu> liisamk: yeah, we have not give up possibility of using ISBN yet
16:57:58 <zheng_xu> ... we are essentially looking for a key for a book and a trusted way to pass the key along
16:58:08 <Bill_Kasdorf> C2PA (Coalition for Content Provenance and Authenticity): https://c2pa.org/
16:58:15 <zheng_xu> Thanks Bill
16:59:17 <zheng_xu> q?
16:59:50 <sue-neu> q-
16:59:50 <zheng_xu> q+
16:59:50 <zheng_xu> q?
17:00:27 <zheng_xu> ack me
17:00:29 <zheng_xu> wolfgang: any other suggestions and ideas?
17:00:54 <JF> bye all
17:01:23 <zheng_xu> zakim, end the meeting
17:01:23 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jamesy, sue-neu, Bill_Kasdorf, gautier, liisamk, jeffrey_griggs
17:01:25 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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