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20:06:39 <Leonard> scribe Leonard
20:06:41 <Leonard> https://github.com/immersive-web/semantic-labels/issues/1
20:07:15 <Leonard> rik: Add support for semantic labels for hit testing and others.
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20:07:42 <Leonard> ... Did not want to add the specific labels to the spec -- too many updates
20:08:23 <Leonard> ... Set up simple Repo (https://github.com/immersive-web/semantic-labels) that lists them
20:08:24 <Leonard> q+
20:08:35 <bialpio> q+
20:08:36 <ada> ack Leonard
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20:09:26 <Leonard> ... Also provides horizontal or vertical
20:09:34 <ada> q+
20:09:37 <Leonard> Leonard: Who is going to keep order
20:09:38 <ada> ack bialpio
20:09:43 <bajones_> q+
20:09:55 <Leonard> Rik: No one - general updates
20:10:29 <Leonard> Piotr: Only for labels or is supporting other concepts?
20:10:41 <Leonard> Rik: Just semantic labels
20:11:26 <Leonard> Piotr: No separate feature descriptor.
20:12:11 <Leonard> ...  #2: Array of semantic lables on a hit test. Will there also be categories such as furnature --> sofa (taxonomy)
20:12:34 <CharlesL> q+
20:13:25 <Leonard> Rik: No structure, no taxonomy
20:13:46 <Leonard> Piotr: Perhaps more general labels need to be returned with detailed lables
20:14:42 <Leonard> Ada: Is there an expectation that platforms support at least a major-category subset?
20:15:07 <Leonard> Rik: No requirements - completely optional.
20:16:06 <Leonard> Ada: Android allows hit test on any surface. How do things categorize stuff?
20:16:14 <ada> q?
20:16:16 <ada> ack ada
20:16:28 <ada> ack bajones_
20:16:30 <Leonard> Rik: No restrictions, though best to keep 'floor' for things that are really floors.
20:17:31 <ada> ack ack CharlesL
20:18:04 <Leonard> Charles: Anticipate use in assisted technologies? I18n? W3C registry?
20:18:04 <bialpio> q+
20:18:18 <Leonard> Rik: Could be used for assisted technologies.
20:18:21 <ada> ack CharlesL
20:18:59 <Leonard> ... I18n: these are generic terms. Applications need to handle any translations (similar to ENUMS)
20:19:24 <Leonard> ... W3C registry: doesn't know what that is. Suggest filing an issue on registry.
20:19:31 <ada> ack bialpio
20:19:40 <cwilso> q+ on registry
20:20:24 <Leonard> Piotr: Is there any anticipation of guessing labels? Do these confidence value?
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20:21:14 <Leonard> Rik: Does not anticipate "guessing".
20:21:22 <Leonard> Piotr: Will file issue
20:21:24 <ada> ack cwilso
20:21:26 <Zakim> cwilso, you wanted to comment on registry
20:21:26 <cwilso> https://www.w3.org/2021/Process-20211102/#registries defines the Registry track.
20:22:00 <Leonard> Chris W: See above link for W3C registry info.
20:22:36 <ada> ack Leonard
20:22:48 <Leonard> Leonard: How do you anticipate this being used?
20:25:05 <ada> q?
20:25:08 <ada> ack Nick-Niantic
20:25:15 <Leonard> Rik: Manual step to populate & label the environment
20:26:14 <Leonard> Nick: Relates the capabilities of their current product. Establishes a collection of semantic layers.
20:28:09 <Leonard> ... System allows fractional assignments. Allows objects to "fade" into background
20:29:16 <Leonard> Rik: HitTest API not required. Also possible to use PlaneTest API.
20:30:43 <ada> q?
20:30:57 <Leonard> https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/298
20:31:26 <Leonard> Rik: Skip clearing of texturtes. Revisiting from a few weeks ago
20:31:49 <bajones_> I have loosened my opinions on this, FWIW
20:32:14 <Leonard> ... Request was made to make default value == FALSE. Lots of examples where default == TRUE.
20:32:29 <bajones_> In other words, no objection from me on keeping the value as-is
20:32:45 <Leonard> Rik: ... new attribute does not require textures to be automatically cleared.
20:32:59 <ada> q?
20:33:27 <Leonard> Brandon: No voice -- see above comments.
20:33:39 <Leonard> Rik: Will make sure everything is cleaned uo
20:33:57 <Leonard> https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/pull/302
20:34:32 <Leonard> Rik: Different quality for layers. Allows clearer text, etc.
20:34:58 <Leonard> ... Ada had suggested other lables, but Brandon does not necessarily agree
20:35:10 <Leonard> Ada: "Power balance"?
20:35:44 <bajones_> q+
20:35:54 <Leonard> Rik: Would prefer "default" should be do nothing special
20:36:12 <Leonard> Rik & Ada: <discussion on various alternatives>
20:39:29 <Leonard> Ada: suggesting that the labels should be more descriptive.
20:39:47 <Leonard> Brandon: Tends to agree w/Rik on 'default'
20:40:21 <Leonard> q+
20:40:47 <Leonard> ... Doesn't want to see anything labeled
20:41:03 <Leonard> ... *performant* be slower than 'default'
20:43:56 <CharlesL> q+
20:44:00 <Leonard> ... May want a layer to be fast over everything else.
20:44:07 <ada> ack bajones_
20:44:08 <Leonard> Ada: Convinced
20:44:14 <ada> ack bajones_
20:45:04 <Leonard> Leonard: Might use 'inherit' instead of 'default' to inherit system settings
20:45:13 <ada> ack Leonard
20:45:15 <ada> ack CharlesL
20:45:45 <Leonard> Charles: Disability user may not care about visual (for example) quality
20:46:25 <Leonard> Rik: Might be a need to increase contrast (user dependent)
20:46:32 <Leonard> Ada: Hint?
20:46:41 <Leonard> Rik: It is a hint
20:47:04 <Leonard> Brandon: Many accessibility cases are better handled by UA rather than this hint
20:48:24 <ada> q?
20:48:38 <Brandel> q+
20:48:43 <ada> ack Brandel
20:48:49 <Leonard> No other discussion, no other topics
20:49:06 <Leonard> Brandel: Place for feedback for how hint is interperted?
20:49:28 <Leonard> Rik: Spec already addresses text clarity and other features
20:50:10 <Leonard> Brandel: More about how this interacts with the user at run-time.
20:51:09 <Leonard> Brandon: Not part of current proposal. Wants to know more about the use case and how developers interact with various responses
20:53:21 <Leonard> Ada: Concern about exposes accessibility info to websites. Info should remain with the UA.
20:54:22 <ada> q?
20:55:40 <ada> q?
20:55:58 <Leonard> General discussion: About issues and potential solutions. Nothing decided or agreed to
20:57:05 <Leonard> Ada: Please RSVP to F2F in Apr 24&25 (Apple Infinite Loop). No meetup
20:58:23 <ada> adarose@apple.com
20:58:32 <ada> name, company name, phone number & email
20:58:41 <Leonard> RSVP to adaRose@applie.com. Need name, company, phone, email.
20:58:55 <Leonard> That is @apple.com
20:59:24 <Leonard> <EOM>
20:59:40 <ada> Thank you so much Leonard!!
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23:59:59 <scribe> meeting: Immersive Web WG/CG bi-weekly call
23:59:59 <scribe> agenda: https://github.com/immersive-web/administrivia/blob/main/meetings/wg/2023-03-07-Immersive_Web_Working_Group_Teleconference-agenda.md
23:59:59 <scribe> previous meeting: https://github.com/immersive-web/administrivia/blob/main/meetings/wg/2023-02-21-Immersive_Web_Working_Group_Teleconference-agenda.md
23:59:59 <scribe> i|https://github.com/immersive-web/semantic-labels/issues/1|topic: semantic-labels#1 feedback on semantic label repo (cabanier)|
23:59:59 <scribe> s/Chris W:/ChrisW:/
23:59:59 <scribe> i|https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/issues/298|topic:     layers#298 Add option to skip the clearing of textures requested (cabanier)|
23:59:59 <scribe> i|https://github.com/immersive-web/layers/pull/302|topic:     layers#302 Add support for higher quality filtering requested (cabanier)|
23:59:59 <scribe> s/Rik & Ada:/Rik&Ada:/
23:59:59 <scribe> i/Ada: Please RSVP to F2F in Apr 24&25 (Apple Infinite Loop). No meetup/topic: upcoming face-to-face/
23:59:59 <scribe> s/RSVP to adaRose@applie.com/Ada: RSVP to adaRose@applie.com/
23:59:59 <scribe> s/That is @apple.com/Ada: That is @apple.com/